Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

[Rixey]

I think it's incredibly odd that, according to TC's affidavit, he spoke with Beasley on *March 31* and told him people would be suspicious of the dirt work. And then LE wasn't able to access the property until, what 2 weeks later? I know TC leased the land so who knows what their arrangement was, but why didn't Beasley tip off LE before? Did he take the position that it was TC's right to deny LE access? I just think it's weird that a landowner would sit on this information for so long.

We really don't know what Mr B knew, when he knew it and when he was first in contact with LE. It is possible that since LE had already determined VB & JK were dead, that once they had the burial location they didn't need to act immediately and instead used their time to gather enough hard evidence to make the arrests and make certain the evidence was strong enough to make sure they were denied bond and the charges would stick.

I believe that the misfits spent their two weeks between the murder & arrests with LE knowing everything they did & said and unwittingly providing additional incriminating evidence.

 

[SteveP]

That actually makes me quite sad. I was hoping it was quick but I guess not.

MOO

I am sickened by the thought that their murders, or at least VB's, was intentionally NOT quick. I think that is why there were five stun guns purchased, and why TA googled the stun gun that delivered the most pain. JMO.

 

[Tealgrove]

I am sickened by the thought that their murders, or at least VB's, was intentionally NOT quick. I think that is why there were five stun guns purchased, and why TA googled the stun gun that delivered the most pain. JMO.

100%.

I was hoping otherwise.

If it can’t be bad enough, it just got worse.

I am sick to my stomach.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Even should they miraculously avoid both death and LWOP, it gets no better for them. Oklahoma has an 85% Rule on crimes of this severity. 45 years would be the minimum, so 85% of that gives you 38 and 3 months. They'll leave their respective new homes in boxes.

OCCA

We know that each of the five defendants here are charged with the same 5 counts as outlined below. If any are convicted of only one count of murder pursuant to 21 O.S. Section 701.7(A), I doubt the 85% rule would apply here.

Per the Information, the penalty for First Degree Murder- Deliberate Intent, is death, life, or life without parole.

https://www.scribd.com/document/726351799/P-Grice-CF-24-81-Info-and-Affidavit#download&from_embed

 

[kaen]

I am sickened by the thought that their murders, or at least VB's, was intentionally NOT quick. I think that is why there were five stun guns purchased, and why TA googled the stun gun that delivered the most pain. JMO.

If either of them wore some sort of tracker/watch connected to a health program, LE will know if there was electrical interruptions/surges to their bodies as well as how long it took them to die. It is all so awful and sickening to think that these people are a part of a larger community that may have similar thinking.

 

[unimog]

Here is the map we are now working with. Interesting to note that it was only 1000 feet from TC's front door to Paul Grice's front door. And that Grice was renting the house from none other than Mr. Beasley. Sure seems to be a small world that we have gotten thrust into.

 

[AugustWest]

We know that each of the five defendants here are charged with the same 5 counts as outlined below. If any are convicted of only one count of murder pursuant to 21 O.S. Section 701.7(A), the 85% rule does not apply here.

Per the Information, the penalty for First Degree Murder- Deliberate Intent, is death, life, or life without parole.

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https://www.scribd.com/document/726351799/P-Grice-CF-24-81-Info-and-Affidavit#download&from_embed

Required Service of Minimum Percentage of Sentence - Offenses Specified

 

[Seattle1]

Did he have a responsibility to say something sooner?

Morally, I think most agree -- yes. Legally, it's not a crime to remain silent.

 

[flowershop]

NN's Brian Entin discusses the 5th person arrested in this case with former FBI agent Tracy Wilder.

BE asks why the accused are confessing. Wilder explains that this is part of their ideology as sovereign citizens.

 

[MyBelle]

I think it's incredibly odd that, according to TC's affidavit, he spoke with Beasley on *March 31* and told him people would be suspicious of the dirt work. And then LE wasn't able to access the property until, what 2 weeks later? I know TC leased the land so who knows what their arrangement was, but why didn't Beasley tip off LE before? Did he take the position that it was TC's right to deny LE access? I just think it's weird that a landowner would sit on this information for so long.

At this point, it is impossible to know when Beasley tipped off LE, but I think a Judge would want more evidence before signing a search warrant for the property.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Morally, I think most agree -- yes. Legally, it's not a crime to remain silent.

Now I'm baffled. Wasn't it a misdemeanor when Krystal Kenney didn't report Kelsey's death? I swore during those threads we talked about failing to report a violent crime or homicide was a misdemeanor. But, then again that was such a long time ago, I may not be thinking it right.

 

[charmingbetsy]

Here is the map we are now working with. Interesting to note that it was only 1000 feet from TC's front door to Paul Grice's front door. And that Grice was renting the house from none other than Mr. Beasley. Sure seems to be a small world that we have gotten thrust into.

Beasley owned the house Grice rented? I have not heard this. Where was it reported?

 

[SteveP]

NN's Brian Entin discusses the 5th person arrested in this case with former FBI agent Tracy Wilder.

BE asks why the accused are confessing. Wilder explains that this is part of their ideology as sovereign citizens.

Is that Ideology or Idiotology? We'll see how well that works out for them in their sovereign Oklahoma murder trials. My guess is not very well. JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

04/24/2024	TEXT	ENTRY OF APPEARANCE - M. SOLOMON, R. SEALY, A. RICHARD, & M. HANSEN Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	MOTION TO INSPECT AND EXAMINE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION/CONSUMPTION OF SAMPLE WITHOUT NOTICE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	NOTICE OF INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

OSCN Case Details

 

[AugustWest]

04/24/2024	TEXT	ENTRY OF APPEARANCE - M. SOLOMON, R. SEALY, A. RICHARD, & M. HANSEN Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	MOTION TO INSPECT AND EXAMINE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION/CONSUMPTION OF SAMPLE WITHOUT NOTICE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	NOTICE OF INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

OSCN Case Details

First one is an OIDS attorney:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitch-solomon-21b88548

 

[ClearAhead]

We know that each of the five defendants here are charged with the same 5 counts as outlined below. If any are convicted of only one count of murder pursuant to 21 O.S. Section 701.7(A), I doubt the 85% rule would apply here.

Per the Information, the penalty for First Degree Murder- Deliberate Intent, is death, life, or life without parole.

View attachment 499356

https://www.scribd.com/document/726351799/P-Grice-CF-24-81-Info-and-Affidavit#download&from_embed

“lured to the location of Highway 95 and Road L”…..so as another poster speculated earlier, rather than a false roadblock set up, perhaps the 9am phone call by TA was to suggest they meet at that location rather than Four Corners. VB’s high school was on Road L so she’d be familiar with it.

A roadblock would risk attracting unnecessary attention IMO.

 

[charmingbetsy]

04/24/2024	TEXT	ENTRY OF APPEARANCE - M. SOLOMON, R. SEALY, A. RICHARD, & M. HANSEN Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	MOTION TO INSPECT AND EXAMINE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION/CONSUMPTION OF SAMPLE WITHOUT NOTICE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	NOTICE OF INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

OSCN Case Details

Interesting. These folks are OIDS capital crime public defenders. I wonder if TA is getting a public defender after all.

 

[Cool Cats]

Did he have a responsibility to say something sooner?

Legally no.

 

[Error505]

We know that each of the five defendants here are charged with the same 5 counts as outlined below. If any are convicted of only one count of murder pursuant to 21 O.S. Section 701.7(A), I doubt the 85% rule would apply here.

Per the Information, the penalty for First Degree Murder- Deliberate Intent, is death, life, or life without parole.

View attachment 499356

https://www.scribd.com/document/726351799/P-Grice-CF-24-81-Info-and-Affidavit#download&from_embed

Thank you @Seattle1 for the reminder! I don’t think any of the 5 will get lesser “time” than the others, maybe not the death penalty, but no lesser amt of time to serve. We have 2 who are already talking, and “confessed”. So far, Cora’s daughter hasn’t been wrong. Of course we have to wait for guilty verdicts, but I think OSBI/FBI have done their work! Waiting to see who else might be arrested! hmmm pure speculation!

MOO

 

[legomonster]

04/24/2024	TEXT	ENTRY OF APPEARANCE - M. SOLOMON, R. SEALY, A. RICHARD, & M. HANSEN Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	MOTION TO INSPECT AND EXAMINE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION/CONSUMPTION OF SAMPLE WITHOUT NOTICE Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office	​		​
04/24/2024	TEXT	NOTICE OF INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS Pursuant to 12 O.S. § 39, Document Available at Court Clerk's Office

OSCN Case Details

Tough Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley can't invoke their constitutional fifth amendment right because that was taken away from them permanently by Tifany Adams. Imagine if she's having testing done to show the validity that if she was really a part of the actual crime scene.. and, if any fragile evidence was completely destroyed in the process... I can't.