Wowzers!CF-2024-00072
ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details
CF-2024-00071
CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
CF-2024-00070
TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - https://oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=texas&number=CF-2024-00070&cmid=10720404
CF-2024-00073
TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - https://oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=texas&number=CF-2024-00073&cmid=10720417
CF-2024-00081
GRICE, PAUL JEREMIAH - https://oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=texas&number=CF-2024-00081&cmid=11057654
Could be that that lie was for the sole benefit of Brune with no other thought given to the fact that Veronica's and Jilians would be looking for them. It's possible that Tifany didn't know a birthday party was planned and that people would be waiting all to return for that. She may have thought she had hours before anyone would notice they were gone. The visits were to end at 5PM. Dunno if that included getting back to the exchange point which would be closer to 6PM. Either way, she may have been counting on having a minimum of seven hours before anyone missed them. In that time, the car could have been gotten rid of but because V's family were waiting at the party, then went searching and found the car by noon.ClearAhead in the previous thread wrote: "There would be no point to TA’s lie if the plan was to leave VBs car only three miles from the drop off point as there was no reason for her car to be there."
But there was still no point to TA's lie that VB had cancelled the visit, since VB and JK's family knew she was still coming! Surely TA would've known that. Maybe she just didn't think about that, but it seems so obvious, hard to believe she wouldn't have considered that. So I think there's something we're still missing on that point. Unless she was just being dumb, and I could believe that too.
In the last thread, @carbuff said:
Yeah, it seems that that lie was meant to create the impression VB was never anywhere near Four Corners, which only works if there's no trace of her or her car.
Which could also be the reason for trailering the car rather than driving it. If it was driven, it might have been seen, but it would ideally, if everything had gone according to plan, only been visible for a minute or two while it was being loaded into the trailer.
I share the opinion that JK probably pulled her weapon immediately and the killers weren't prepared for that.
BBM^^^
That's exactly my thinking. @SteveP and I have competing theories on this, with Steve thinking the plan was to bury the car and me thinking it was to take it far away. IMO, taking the car out to the burial location, which is not far from Beasely's house (someone said 400'), would have risked the car being seen out there. I think it could have been loaded into the trailer and, therefore, have been not visible. The trailer could have been parked, car inside, and then easily driven out of state. Car theft anywhere near the US border with Mexico is huge business and Kias are one of the top cars for thieves. Once handed off, that car could have been disassembled or in Mexico in a couple of days.
Maybe JK did pull her gun, but when push came to shove, couldn't bring herself to shoot another human being and they quickly overtook her and grabbed the gun from her hands....I share the opinion that JK probably pulled her weapon immediately and the killers weren't prepared for that...
I agree it is possible the casing or magazine had been in her purse several days or weeks. I am a concealed carry lady and it would not be unusual for a forgotten casing to be in my purse or car. I do not carry when I will be around children, work, or other circumstances when it would a question of safety for others.Maybe JK did pull her gun, but when push came to shove, couldn't bring herself to shoot another human being and they quickly overtook her and grabbed the gun from her hands.
I've also wondered if she even had the gun with her at all. It's possible she had a magazine in her purse but left her gun at home - in a hurry, or whatever - just forgot the gun?
ClearAhead in the previous thread wrote: "There would be no point to TA’s lie if the plan was to leave VBs car only three miles from the drop off point as there was no reason for her car to be there."
But there was still no point to TA's lie that VB had cancelled the visit, since VB and JK's family knew she was still coming! Surely TA would've known that. Maybe she just didn't think about that, but it seems so obvious, hard to believe she wouldn't have considered that. So I think there's something we're still missing on that point. Unless she was just being dumb, and I could believe that too.
I've wondered if perhaps JK did have a problem pulling the trigger, or perhaps shot in the air, hoping to drive them off, or if, perhaps the gang used all the vehicles to box them in tightly, then all 5 swarmed the Kia.Maybe JK did pull her gun, but when push came to shove, couldn't bring herself to shoot another human being and they quickly overtook her and grabbed the gun from her hands.
I've also wondered if she even had the gun with her at all. It's possible she had a magazine in her purse but left her gun at home - in a hurry, or whatever - just forgot the gun?
Agreed. I don't think any of them had the brains to execute a well thought out plan whatsoever. Even if the car had been dealt with, TA would still be suspect No. 1. LE still would have found her internet searches and stun gun purchases, and burner phone purchases. Cora's daughter probably still would have gave up info. These people are an added list of people to the world's dumbest criminals.The lie TA told only makes sense when you realize you're dealing with a moron.
(That's true for the entire idiotic plot. Data from the victims' phones would have told the story even without the car being left where it was found.)