Moo...they used the hammer to break the window to gain access. I don't believe either exited the car willingly.
English is not my first language, so I could be interpreting this written statement differently.
The size of that hole keeps making me think about a show I used to watch...
iMO none of them. They weren't even smart enough to figure out that both women's family knew where they were going and which route they were taking. They committed the crime within 5 miles of the destination. They didn't seem to realize family would come looking for the ladies. At least VB's family was aware of the danger involved with TA. They thought Walmart phones were untraceable. They left the Kia where it was. They buried the Walmarr phones with the women. They dug the grave on property one of them rented, and the owner saw the hole. Owner was told to not tell the cops basically. I could go on and on but none of them appear to be smart enough to calculate the anvil through the windshield.My question is which one of the 5 is smart enough to calculate vehicle speed, wind speed and direction, distance and weight of even a small 2lb crafting anvil so as to obtain a direct hit on the windshield of a vehicle following behind and not be seen by the driver of the target vehicle?
That also means that the Misfits likely would have known LE was at the car without needing to get close to where the Kia was. They could be on one of the little roads running parallel to 95 and be far enough away that no one would even notice even if they drove that section multiple times.
Respectfully, we don't know what TA's MO is. Really, all that we know about her comes from these murders. But based on what we do know, I would argue that she definitely shows signs of being sadistic, and torture very clearly suits her, in purchasing not one, but five stun guns, so each of the murderers would have one, after googling which stun gun delivers the most pain. Probable bludgeoning of the victims is certainly sadistic too. And as far as being in a hurry, bc she had to pick up her grandkids, she knew where they were, and many believe that her babysitters may have known where she was. I doubt there was a designated time for her to pick them up, or that they would have been tossed out if there was, and she missed the deadline. Lastly, she apparently convinced four people to help kill 2 women that they had no connections with. I don't see how someone can draw a line by agreeing to kill someone that they don't even know, because someone asks them to, but they will only do it humanely. Apparently, neither of the women were shot, so their deaths were very likely not immediate, nor even necessarily quick. JMO
I have concealed carry purses and not strapped to me in a holster. I wonder if she would have left her gun at home being that she was working as a supervisor around young children. I think she would have taken into consideration their safety. we know the killers were frequently armed, however, it may be policy and supervisor for visitation is never armed.
All good points.
GRT and SteveP, I agree with you both. The women were not shot and attacked with a hammer and stun guns were purchased after research for ones that would inflict the most pain. These two incidents imply to me TA wanted to cause physical and emotional pain. In my opinion TA want to torture VB in her last moments on earth as much as possible for defying her, seeking revised visitation and the goal of regaining custody of her own children.
I was coming to say the same. I carry in my purse, glove compartment, on my waist, side door pocket of my Jeep. We don't have laws in my state that tell us how to carry. I've not looked at OK law.
Yep yep yep.
"Welllllll, who the hellllll would want to go to that church?"
Do we know if they were registered as a non-profit/tax exempt 501(c)(3) organization? I would think that if they started a formal church then they would have registered it versus being more of a private group.
Register it with the Government?
