OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

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Elliot_Alderson said:
How does LE speaking with the children work? Can the grandmother prevent LE from speaking with them?
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Oklahoma law is incredibly confusing. Apparently, if the parents don't give permission for a child to be interviewed, any info the child gives can not be used against that child or other children. (That doesn't apply here). Additionally, apparently police can interview children but they can't be in a "custodial setting" or in handcuffs without the parents permission. I couldn't find an answer that would apply to this situation, which is can police interview a child about a possible crime committed when the guardian doesn't want to allow it.
 
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I haven't seen it mentioned, but do we know which was the car was pointing when it was found?

Was it pointing TOWARD the meeting spot or AWAY from the meeting spot?

IMO if it was facing away from the meeting spot that would be a good indication that they did, indeed, make it to the pickup point and something happened there and then the car was driven by someone else and dumped. Or they were forced to turn around after being ambushed.

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mrsmmm said:
I haven't seen it mentioned, but do we know which was the car was pointing when it was found?

Was it pointing TOWARD the meeting spot or AWAY from the meeting spot?

IMO if it was facing away from the meeting spot that would be a good indication that they did, indeed, make it to the pickup point and something happened there and then the car was driven by someone else and dumped. Or they were forced to turn around after being ambushed.

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Gray Hughes in his video posted above made some assumptions about the Kia being on a dirt road I believe pointing away from the meeting point <modsnip> but he stated that the details as to the exact location of the vehicle are not clear. It does seem possible that the car could have been dumped in that location as well but then you would think that fingerprints or other forensic evidence would be present to clarify what exactly happened? IDK, seems like LE is keeping entire situation purposefully vague as it would have been easy to simply post coordinates of where the KIA was found.

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Of all the uncertainties in this case, to me, one thing is completely clear. I 100% believe Jilian Kelley would not go missing on purpose, and would not be out of communication with her family unless she was forced to. In this situation, I think there is absolutely zero chance this case will end happily with a misunderstanding or someone who's flighty and irresponsible just going on a jaunt.
 
With all the attention on the custody issue, it seems as though almost no one here is considering the possibility that the disappearance of these women has nothing to do with that, at all.

I'm sure I haven't read every MSM article but have LE given anyone reason to believe the disappearance is related to that?
 
Ontario Mom said:
With all the attention on the custody issue, it seems as though almost no one here is considering the possibility that the disappearance of these women has nothing to do with that, at all.

I'm sure I haven't read every MSM article but have LE given anyone reason to believe the disappearance is related to that?
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Well for one thing, LE stated that there's no need for an alert or concern for the residents.
If there was a possibility of this being a random attack by unknown persons, I'm not sure LE would have stated that.
 
imstilla.grandma said:
Is this the one? Starting at page 4? It’s a pdf
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Yes, page 4 shows a copy of the docket of FP-2019-1 (the ongoing custody case at the county/district level that was sealed) as of the filing of the appellate case. Of course, there have been many more filings since. Even if some documents needed to be sealed, the docket listing itself shouldn't have been sealed, IMO, because it doesn't show any sensitive information.
 
WICHITA, Kan. (KWCH) - The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation confirmed new evidence in the case of two missing women from southwest Kansas indicates there was foul play.

The agency said the search for Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley continues. An arrest hasn’t been made in the case. The OSBI said information obtained from a vehicle belonging to one of the women points toward the possibility of foul play in this case. The agency didn’t elaborate on what was found.

OSBI: Foul play suspected in Kansas women’s disappearance in Oklahoma

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OSBI updated their Facebook post to say that they believe the victims met foul play, based on the scene at the abandoned car. They have made no arrests and are still searching for the women.
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Here's the direct link to the new post with that updated info:

https://www.facebook.com/OSBI.OK/posts/pfbid0Zh7T3hyK3XHoyjFgUSzqe8A55RKFyW1UC3SoYws3d8F47e37zZM4SkVbuSyrxdV8l
 
What time was the car found? <modsnip> The missing persons poster states they went missing around 9:30am so I’m guessing this is when they left Hugoton. Hugoton to Eva is 46 minutes and they didn’t quite make it there. I’m just trying to see the amount of time someone had to make them disappear.
 
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