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Hi PDX, I popped the address from Beatrice into Google and came up with this: http://stripclub-directory.com/afterhours-504.html. It's a strip club.
Now that was several entries down on Google so maybe it isn't there anymore. This weekend I'll drive by to see what is at that address. If this guy owns a strip club he could be in keeping with those TH kept company with as we have read. I've known several people in this business thru my work {selling camera systems} and they are generally a bit, do I dare say slimy? You walk in and it is so dark you can't even see where to walk !!!
ETA: I just dialed their phone # and it is disconnected.
Do we know how Kyron's swim coach became associated with this stuff? I can't find anything online. Beatrice, how did you get this? I don't know how I missed this.
Where did Kyron get his CSI shirt..did the Hormans go to Las Vegas?
Shadowboy, hopefully you already know how much I agree with you. i'm not sure about the early timeline details of your post, but I agree with the underlying stuff. Your thoughts on evidence dispersal make a lot of sense, too.
Hi RoseT, We didn't start looking at this swim coach because of his ownership in a strip club, at least I didn't. He was suspicious to me simply by TH knowing this guy well enough for her to let him hold her baby girl in the pool, of course along with Kyron. Maybe I've read too much about men who like little people but it struck me as out of the ordinary. In swim classes I've seen it is the parent who holds the child with the instructor also in the pool but giving direction to the parent.
And I must say Beatrice is IMO a high caliber researcher/investigator, not that she needs defending. I think this guy might have owned a strip club in that location, or owned it jointly with someone else, back a few years. They don't remove entries from Google but keep adding new ones on top of it I think, right? That would just take some shoe leather to find out which I would be glad to do. Beatrice lives on the East Coast and I'm right here.
BTW, I remember quite early on in the case there was a reference to TH frequenting a strip or girlie club over in SE Portland. I doubt she would be leery to walk thru the front door into a dark room and all you see is a lit up cage IMO
My pleasure. Although it's been a rude awakening to a lot of things that go on here, I'd encourage everyone to learn a little bit more about their own towns. You might be amazed.PDX: At the risk of placing person-to-person communication on this "Connect the Dots" thread ... Could you put forth your "early timeline" theories? (And, if you already have, could you please direct me to the URL?)
Thanks, by the way, for your local perspective.
AfterHours
12248 BARNES RD
PORTLAND, OR
Thanks, I was just surprised that I had never heard this before. Which is why I come daily, because I want to know the latest. It sounds very interesting. I would love to see the pic-anyone have a link?
My pleasure. Although it's been a rude awakening to a lot of things that go on here, I'd encourage everyone to learn a little bit more about their own towns. You might be amazed.
I don't think it's *too* OT to say here.. I don't really have a fix on specifics. That is, I am not breaking my neck to figure out who was where when (why I am a little loose with your 'timelines' of when TH was where) because there are some key pieces of info that have been kept from the public. I believe TH's behavior is consistent with her being involved.
I also think her reasons for being involved are the things you touch on later in your post. I've been having a hard time with the Surenos being the specific gang, but again, it doesn't really matter, because we do not have the details needed to pin it down that close. And even if we did? There's not likely to be a lot of public record information about individuals for us to snoop.
But do I think steroids/gum culture are involved? Yes.
From the details we know so far, your explanation about Sauvie makes a lot of sense. Taking time to separate some evidence from other evidence would be time well spent for a 'clever' (or thinks she is) perp.
But, I'm just beyond trying to figure it out without more info from LE. Kudos to you for pulling a logical version of the story together!
Somehow, seeing that they were responsible enough to make sure that their kids were able to swim, just sits oddly with me with the perception that I have had. I can't put my finger on it. I'm not making an assumption, but reflecting on an assumption that perhaps I already made.