RDI Theorists

[FairM]

Then don't look at it.:Bananasnap:

that's the problem , it's impossible not to look at it , it's just there!:twocents:

 

[BBB167893]

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, could we get back to subject, please?

 

[Alix]

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, could we get back to subject, please?

Hey, you and Fair-whatever couldn't resist making two posts about my sig. YOU two need to get back on track.

 

[Squishified]

I didn't vote in this poll because even tho I lean towards accident covered up, there are parts of me that think there MAY have been premeditation.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I didn't vote in this poll because even tho I lean towards accident covered up, there are parts of me that think there MAY have been premeditation.

Do you mean premeditated by John or Patsy? Could you expand on that? I haven't heard too many RDI theories involving first-degree murder, so I am very interested. Someone actually posted a list on this forum a while back about why they thought JBR's murder was premeditated...it was very intriguing...I should find it and post it here.

Here's the post about JBR's murder being premeditated:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2908155&postcount=40"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Perhaps she did it for JonBenet[/ame]

 

[Squishified]

Do you mean premeditated by John or Patsy? Could you expand on that? I haven't heard too many RDI theories involving first-degree murder, so I am very interested. Someone actually posted a list on this forum a while back about why they thought JBR's murder was premeditated...it was very intriguing...I should find it and post it here.

Here's the post about JBR's murder being premeditated:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Perhaps she did it for JonBenet

Thank you for posting that link! The original post makes more sense than anything I could write. I agree with a lot of it. I am firmly PDI.
I don't really have a strong theory on why the murder was premeditated-just some days I feel that way, but I mostly think it was unplanned.

Wish I could give you more than that vague answer. The link gave a much better answer than I could!

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I don't think anyone intended to kill the girl, but that doesn't mean the acts of violence against her aren't criminal. Those crimes and her murder demand punishment and justice, and yes, *I* would consider it first degree murder. The person or persons who murdered the child are criminals and so are anyone who helped cover for him/her/them. The most vile of criminals, imo.

I'm sure the poor little girl was horrifically abused all her life and there should have been equal justice for that. No telling what she endured. Not to mention being horribly paraded in front of people so she could be judged by slimy judges and spectators. :maddening:

I can't begin to imagine what was done to her in her short life. For shame to her parents who only thought of themselves. :furious:

Sadly there will never be justice for JonBenet.


Although, after reading at this link, I wouldn't doubt the evilness in that family, and pre-meditated murder may have been the way it went.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7422826#post7422826"]RDI Theorists - Page 7 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

:cow: JMO

P.S. - Alix, I think your signature is hilarious. :blushing:

 

[FairM]

Hey, you and Fair-whatever couldn't resist making two posts about my sig. YOU two need to get back on track.

Oi , " Fair-whatever" , now who is sounding like a jerk, I just told you like it is , you want to ignore it , that's up to you.

 

[Alix]

Oi , " Fair-whatever" , now who is sounding like a jerk, I just told you like it is , you want to ignore it , that's up to you.

You're trying way too hard.

 

[Squishified]

Although, after reading at this link, I wouldn't doubt the evilness in that family, and pre-meditated murder may have been the way it went.

RDI Theorists - Page 7 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:cow: JMO

Zoe, the link brings me to this current page on the thread. Did you mean to post a different link? I'm curious as to your thoughts on the "evilness" in the family. I think there may have been pre-meditation as well, but I can't really express clearly why I think that way.

 

[Alix]

I don't think anyone intended to kill the girl, but that doesn't mean the acts of violence against her aren't criminal. Those crimes and her murder demand punishment and justice, and yes, *I* would consider it first degree murder. The person or persons who murdered the child are criminals and so are anyone who helped cover for him/her/them. The most vile of criminals, imo.

I'm sure the poor little girl was horrifically abused all her life and there should have been equal justice for that. No telling what she endured. Not to mention being horribly paraded in front of people so she could be judged by slimy judges and spectators. :maddening:

I can't begin to imagine what was done to her in her short life. For shame to her parents who only thought of themselves. :furious:

Sadly there will never be justice for JonBenet.


Although, after reading at this link, I wouldn't doubt the evilness in that family, and pre-meditated murder may have been the way it went.

RDI Theorists - Page 7 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:cow: JMO

P.S. - Alix, I think your signature is hilarious. :blushing:

I think there is something wrong with this family, too. I'm thinking of not only PR and JR, who are not blood-related, but of JR's two sons. They're just not right.

(Thanks, sweetie:bateyes: )

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I don't think anyone intended to kill the girl, but that doesn't mean the acts of violence against her aren't criminal. Those crimes and her murder demand punishment and justice, and yes, *I* would consider it first degree murder. The person or persons who murdered the child are criminals and so are anyone who helped cover for him/her/them. The most vile of criminals, imo.

I'm sure the poor little girl was horrifically abused all her life and there should have been equal justice for that. No telling what she endured. Not to mention being horribly paraded in front of people so she could be judged by slimy judges and spectators. :maddening:

I can't begin to imagine what was done to her in her short life. For shame to her parents who only thought of themselves. :furious:

Sadly there will never be justice for JonBenet.


Although, after reading at this link, I wouldn't doubt the evilness in that family, and pre-meditated murder may have been the way it went.

RDI Theorists - Page 7 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:cow: JMO

P.S. - Alix, I think your signature is hilarious. :blushing:

Absolutely outstanding post. Insightful to the point of being the cold, harsh truth in black and white. I mean, really. That's it in a nutshell right there.

IMO, there is no question in my mind whatsoever that the phrase "poor little rich girl" defines JonBenet Ramsey.

oh, and yeah...I also agree about Alix's sig.

 

[FairM]

Alix -"I'm tryng too hard," thanks for that. Well you are on ignore now so no more horrible signature, it made me feel quite ill,thanks.

 

[BBB167893]

Hey, you and Fair-whatever couldn't resist making two posts about my sig. YOU two need to get back on track.

Agreed. Don't get mad, Alix. I just wanted to help.

 

[Flatlander]

I had never given thought to the fact that JonBenets murder could have possibly been premeditated. But upon reading the post's I can see where it is plausible. If this is the case then I have to ask why JR still states to this day that he couldn't have asked for a better mother to his children than "Patsy".
I wonder what really went on that night.

 

[CorallaroC]

This thread hasn't had any activity for a while, but I thought it seemed the most relevant to some of my recent thoughts.

Of all the reading-up I've done over the years - it has been my impression that the last few days (perhaps weeks) of JB's life were somewhat unhappy for various reasons. Including that fateful Christmas Day of/or prior to her death.

I'm not sure why, but one thing that has long stood out to me is the look-alike doll which PR reportedly gave to JB on Christmas morning. IIRC, the doll was custom made based on photographs of JB, was very expensive, nearly life-size, and PR claimed to have had a terrible premonition when she looked at the doll in it's box (as if it were a coffin) sometime before Christmas.

Also, IIRC, in one of PR's interviews she said that JB did not particularly like the doll (or didn't think it was a good resemblance) and PR felt hurt/saddened because she had intended it to be the most special present of all. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.)

My Q's:
1) have photos of this doll ever been published anywhere?
2) was the doll taken as evidence by LE?
3) if photos haven't been published (especially in the R's books), why not? Is the doll too creepy? Is it a point of deep sadness for the family?

I respect other's opinions to the contrary, but my opinion has always been that a life-sized look-alike doll - no matter how beautiful or finely crafted - would be extremely upsetting especially if I were a young girl. It would have completely spoiled the holiday for me.

But there were other reported/possible upsets on Christmas Day, such as:
a. an argument over what to wear to the W's party
b. wanting/but not being allowed to get out of the car & go into the middle of the lighted STAR up on a hill in Boulder.
c. the purported "last photograph" taken of JB/PR, which appeared somewhat strained IMO with PR holding JB's arm rather tightly, JB's smile not as genuine as I would have expected.
(And perhaps other noteworthy upsets I'm forgetting? Try as they might, the R's never convinced me the day was all that happy for JB except when riding her bike outside in the afternoon)

Anyway, I bring all this up because I recently went back to look at crime-scene photos of the breakfast room table - with the bowl of pineapple, tea bag in a glass, box of tissues, etc. And I feel haunted by the pics like never before, as if that is where Time itself once stood still!

(several photos on this WS thread/page 1)
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68573"]The Pinapple Snack - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

...here we are looking at a scene - literally frozen in time - where I believe someone may have had a late night crying spell. Pineapple for comfort, tissues a necessity, and as "we ladies know" a tea bag makes a fine compress to help reduce puffy eyes. Could that explain why the tea bag was sitting in a glass tumbler rather than a tea cup? Because it was never used to make tea at all? If so, what caused the crying? was it about the most upsetting thing of all: the doll?

Pure speculation of course, because didn't the family (particularly PR) claim to know nothing, and actually say the items on the table were a total mystery?

Who was crying?
What time was it?
Why were they so sad?

 

[21merc7]

Good question about the crying. I don't know the answer.

I just noticed the pineapple bowl it too far away for a child to reach. It is up past the place mats. If a child was sitting on their knees to reach the pine apple, the place mat at that seat would have scooted up toward the bowl on that table top.

 

[CorallaroC]

Good question about the crying. I don't know the answer.

I just noticed the pineapple bowl it too far away for a child to reach. It is up past the place mats. If a child was sitting on their knees to reach the pine apple, the place mat at that seat would have scooted up toward the bowl on that table top.

Good observation!
I had never noticed that before either!

 

[andreww]

You'll find out more about him towards the end of the book. But in a nutshell, Kane was the lead specialist called on by the DA's office to run the Grand Jury proceedings. His record speaks for itself as a prosecutor. He probably knows the case better than anyone else.

Well, about ten years ago, he did an interview about the case in which he revealed some very interesting things.

Firstly, he said that it was unlikely that Patsy would ever confess because he own narcissism would not allow it.

Secondly, he said that he and his two fellows, Morrissey and Levin, were essentially window-dressing for the DA's office to make it look like they were really pursuing a Grand Jury case, and that it was clear to him from early on that the DA's office was firmly entrenched in the intruder theory. Kane did his job, even though it was clear that no one wanted him to do it too well.

But thirdly, and what we concern ourselves with for now, he said that Patsy loved the attention that being the mother of a famous dead beauty queen brought her.

It's a well-known historical fact, Alix, that some people are more useful dead than they were alive. I don't think Kane was trying to suggest that Patsy deliberately killed her daughter in order to get fame and sympathy, but he DID seem to suggest that Patsy's theatrical nature compelled her to make the best of a bad situation once she was convinced that JB could not be saved.

Hood post SD. I've often thought that Patsy may have liked the attention she received following the tragic death of John's the daughter. I wonder if all that attention made it easier for her to make the decision to end JBs life. She really did seem to enjoy the limelight didn't she!

 

[Global Justice Ops]

They lost all of their money and privacy after her death. Patsy's physical appearance detoriated. Her cancer returned and claimed her life. Close friends of their's left them, how does this reflect a person enjoying the spotlight?