That lid is only made of galvanized sheet metal, might weigh a pound at the most. A gust of wind could shut it.Furthermore, if this was accidental or suicidal how would EL put the lid back on the tank?
That lid is only made of galvanized sheet metal, might weigh a pound at the most. A gust of wind could shut it.Furthermore, if this was accidental or suicidal how would EL put the lid back on the tank?
That lid is only made of galvanized sheet metal, might weigh a pound at the most. A gust of wind could shut it.
Furthermore, if this was accidental or suicidal how would EL put the lid back on the tank? Maintenance could have done it after but that is a stretch given that it took complaints of water pressure over 2 weeks later to check the tanks. Whoever did this knew that the tanks were not a hot bed of activity and that staff were fairly blase. Why wouldn't hotel cleaning staff; for example, not notice and report that EL seemed to have disappeared.
Even if her bags were not yet packed and ready to go, surely they would have been aware of her checkout date and wondered why her stuff was still there a week later and bed not slept in? I don't have hotel experience, but it just seems like whoever did this planned it some what. Again, mere conjecture...
Does anyone know what the normal protocol is with cleaning staff and schedules? Would they likely ignore if it looked like someone had not been in their room for a week?
Furthermore, if this was accidental or suicidal how would EL put the lid back on the tank? Maintenance could have done it after but that is a stretch given that it took complaints of water pressure over 2 weeks later to check the tanks. Whoever did this knew that the tanks were not a hot bed of activity and that staff were fairly blase. Why wouldn't hotel cleaning staff; for example, not notice and report that EL seemed to have disappeared.
Even if her bags were not yet packed and ready to go, surely they would have been aware of her checkout date and wondered why her stuff was still there a week later and bed not slept in? I don't have hotel experience, but it just seems like whoever did this planned it some what. Again, mere conjecture...
Does anyone know what the normal protocol is with cleaning staff and schedules? Would they likely ignore if it looked like someone had not been in their room for a week?
Ok. Short version due to complaints....
I can drag 90 pounds a couple miles and up hill in suitcases. So I think a normal strength guy can handle 115 pounds.
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Ok, this officer's comment seems to confirm that the lid was closed at the time of the first examination of the rooftop, when EL was still listed as missing.
This lends, in my opinion, credibility to the theory that she was put in the tank by someone else, and furthers the argument that this is a murder.
USA Elisa Lam Photos (CCTV News Content) - YouTube
I think you need to know how much water the tank contained. If it was nearly filled up then it would be rather easy to lower down, if you had Elisa´s shoulder width. What is the width of that opening? 35-40 centimeter (13.7-15.7 inch). If it is 35 centimeter then it is nearly 50 on diagonal. And the lid was only applied there without any hinges. It could be put aside and then you balance it back on your fingertips when you put it back again.Thanks for clarifying that. Anything is possible, but I still cannot see her climbing into that tank and then putting the lid back on. Unless, the game of hide and seek that some think she was playing in the elevator continued on the roof taking a really ugly turn.
Thanks for clarifying that. Anything is possible, but I still cannot see her climbing into that tank and then putting the lid back on. Unless, the game of hide and seek that some think she was playing in the elevator continued on the roof taking a really ugly turn.
I don't think it is known that the lids were on or off, otherwise they wouldn't include accident/suicide as possibilities.
The Chinese group put up a video on the tanks and the lids from 2 of the tanks are missing, which includes the one that contained Ms.Lam's body.
I'm not able to watch all the vids due to cost of data on a mobile connection, but it seems LAPD has indicated the lid was on
I don't know why you are referring to the lids missing from 2 other tanks, but they were on the tanks in the pics we have early in the investigation, so if they are missing subsequent to that, could be they are being tested to see how they operate under varying conditions.
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<snip>Maybe you could post those specific photos later, as I haven't seen a photo which clearly shows that the lids are opened or closed.
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Don't remember which threads they are in Borris. If you go back through the previous threads, you will see them.
A quick google image search of "elisa lam" "water tank" will bring up a bunch of pics from when the firemen and investigators were still up on the rooftop.
There must be dozens. I have seen a lot of them, haven't really found any specific ones that showed closed lids. I thought maybe you had one bookmarked.
A question thats been on my mind:
If she had accidentally fallen into the tank because she was walking across it (possibly detached from reality), would she drop straight down? Based on my own experiences in having the ground unexpectedly drop out from under me, I tend to violently pitch forward which increases the likelihood that she would smack herself & bruise on the way down, doesnt it? Im not an expert on human motion by any stretch, so Id love someones input on this.
I tend to agree. Looking at the size of the hole I don't believe you could accidentally fall in without leaving some signs of trauma on the body. The lip around the edge that holds the top in place alone looks like it would take some skin off.A question that’s been on my mind:
If she had accidentally fallen into the tank because she was walking across it (possibly detached from reality), would she drop straight down? Based on my own experiences in having the ground unexpectedly drop out from under me, I tend to violently pitch forward – which increases the likelihood that she would smack herself & bruise on the way down, doesn’t it? I’m not an expert on human motion by any stretch, so I’d love someone’s input on this.
I can't see where the supply pipe/outflow pipe to the hotel is located?...