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Looks like the "Francis Show" was on again in part 2 from WJLA.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...mmerman-might-have-seen-that-night-75899.html

The video has a short look at the back sidewalk area after dark:

TMNight.jpg


If that body was down half a football field away, as indicated by Attorney O'Mara, witness "John" has got me wondering about what he claimed to have seen.
 
Concerned Papa said:
Looks like the "Francis Show" was on again in part 2 from WJLA.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...mmerman-might-have-seen-that-night-75899.html

The video has a short look at the back sidewalk area after dark:

TMNight.jpg


If that body was down half a football field away, as indicated by Attorney O'Mara, witness "John" has got me wondering about what he claimed to have seen.
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It would stand to reason that the red might be visible more so in that little bit of light than the gray or black. But the fact it was dark would make it harder to make out what exactly was going on, only that there were two on the ground. TM's body should be a matter of record because LE is suppose to measure to the nearest permanent marker which could have been the water meter, post from a porch or the tree. So his exact location should be know if LE did their job. jmo
 
Concerned Papa said:
Looks like the "Francis Show" was on again in part 2 from WJLA.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...mmerman-might-have-seen-that-night-75899.html

The video has a short look at the back sidewalk area after dark:

TMNight.jpg


If that body was down half a football field away, as indicated by Attorney O'Mara, witness "John" has got me wondering about what he claimed to have seen.
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Maybe they should recreate this scene and see if "John" could really tell the "red jacket". He could've seen GZ after the gunshot and imposed that memory on the memory of the scuffle.
 
Sometimes it's what people see afterwards that they project into their statements because of outcome of the events. People tend to be more honest when they have to swear to it. jmo
 
Concerned Papa said:
Looks like the "Francis Show" was on again in part 2 from WJLA.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...mmerman-might-have-seen-that-night-75899.html

The video has a short look at the back sidewalk area after dark:

TMNight.jpg


If that body was down half a football field away, as indicated by Attorney O'Mara, witness "John" has got me wondering about what he claimed to have seen.
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http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Sanford Florida conditions Feb 26, 2012
sunrise and sunset

Actual Time 6:53 AM EST 6:22 PM EST
Civil Twilight 6:29 AM EST 6:46 PM EST
Nautical Twilight 6:02 AM EST 7:13 PM EST
Astronomical Twilight 5:34 AM EST 7:41 PM EST


I don't know if using a picture that was taken at what appears to be 11:08 at night and comparing that to what can be seen at approximately 7:15 jmo
 
Elley Mae said:
http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Sanford Florida conditions Feb 26, 2012
sunrise and sunset

Actual Time 6:53 AM EST 6:22 PM EST
Civil Twilight 6:29 AM EST 6:46 PM EST
Nautical Twilight 6:02 AM EST 7:13 PM EST
Astronomical Twilight 5:34 AM EST 7:41 PM EST


I don't know if using a picture that was taken at what appears to be 11:08 at night and comparing that to what can be seen at approximately 7:15 jmo
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It looks like the time on the news and maybe not when the video was taken. jmo
 
Elley Mae said:
Unless we have the actually video instead of a screen shot of a screen shot its a tough call. jmo
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When I watched it up thread I thought it was a video. I know they put that little station id down in the corner and it usually has the time of the broadcast. The newspeople have the same emblem on them at 11:07pm. So that is what it is. I would hope they would have taken this video after the same amount of time it would have been after the sun went down. jmo
 
Elley Mae said:
When I go to the link it is just the article, no video, sorry you miss understood.
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Elley, I don't know what to say. The link below is where the screen shot posted with it comes from:

Concerned Papa said:
Looks like the "Francis Show" was on again in part 2 from WJLA.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/0...mmerman-might-have-seen-that-night-75899.html

The video has a short look at the back sidewalk area after dark:

TMNight.jpg


If that body was down half a football field away, as indicated by Attorney O'Mara, witness "John" has got me wondering about what he claimed to have seen.
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This was posted by lauriej in the news thread...is it the one you all are looking for?

--video includes comment from o'mara------as well as a shot of his law office and the place next door to it that he's in the process of buying as a "base of operations".


http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05...ght-75899.html

Only on 7: What Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman might have seen that night
By Scott Thuman
May 12, 2012 - 12:01 am


Quote:
In an investigation you will only see on ABC7 News, Scott Thuman gives us a closer look at the gated community in Sanford, Florida where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin.

He shows us what they might have seen that cold, dark, rainy night.
 
Papa (and anyone else that might be interested): Off topic for here, but there's not really a thread dedicated to recreating the scene. Do you have any opinions on the height of the houses? I've come up with a figure of approximately 23ft based on a few things. I'm working on recreating the scene for a "virtual walkthrough" like you might see in some trials.

Also, if anyone is interested in assisting with this shoot me a message. Maybe if there's enough interest we can get a separate thread for it.
 
AJ Noiter said:
Papa (and anyone else that might be interested): Off topic for here, but there's not really a thread dedicated to recreating the scene. Do you have any opinions on the height of the houses? I've come up with a figure of approximately 23ft based on a few things. I'm working on recreating the scene for a "virtual walkthrough" like you might see in some trials.

Also, if anyone is interested in assisting with this shoot me a message. Maybe if there's enough interest we can get a separate thread for it.
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Probably not important, but if you mean wall height, 23' might be a little bit high.

TMScaleHeight.png


It's certainly not definitive proof of anything, but the floor plan layout for "John's" unit says the porch is 10' wide. If so, I measure the distance as 1 and 3/8", IOW, a scale would be 1 and 3/8" = 10'.

I measure the height at 2 and 13/16" placing the height at about 20' 5" +/-.
 
Concerned Papa said:
Probably not important, but if you mean wall height, 23' might be a little bit high.

It's certainly not definitive proof of anything, but the floor plan layout for "John's" unit says the porch is 10' wide. If so, I measure the distance as 1 and 3/8", IOW, a scale would be 1 and 3/8" = 10'.

I measure the height at 2 and 13/16" placing the height at about 20' 5" +/-.
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I hadn't thought about the floor plans. Do you happen to have the location of those floorplans available so I can start making models to more exacting measures - it would certainly beat the big blocks I'm currently using lol.
 
Concerned Papa said:
Probably not important, but if you mean wall height, 23' might be a little bit high.

TMScaleHeight.png


It's certainly not definitive proof of anything, but the floor plan layout for "John's" unit says the porch is 10' wide. If so, I measure the distance as 1 and 3/8", IOW, a scale would be 1 and 3/8" = 10'.

I measure the height at 2 and 13/16" placing the height at about 20' 5" +/-.
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Not sure this will help because they did not say which direction but in an interview MC said TM's body was about 19 foot from her porch. jmo
 
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