UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #11

[sleuth777]

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Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murdering eight babies

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[msmarple99]

I think if she is found guilty the exceptional seriousness of the offending, and associated premeditation, would qualify her for a whole life sentence in either a prison or a secure psychiatric unit, dependent on expert evaluations of her. The cases where the children who survived were brain damaged have been charged as attempted murder and the sentence for that would put it at the maximum end of the scale already. The judge considers the position of trust as an aggravating feature at sentencing. JMO

Do we know which babies have brain damage

 

[Tortoise]

Do we know which babies have brain damage

I believe of the children who survived it was G, M and possibly Q.

 

[Tortoise]

10% BBC -

[...]

Dr Evans agreed with Ben Myers KC, defending, that he could not rule out infection "for sure".

However fellow expert witness, consultant paediatrician Dr Sandie Bohin, said she had excluded infection.

She told the court: "[Child J] was a well baby. She was ready to go home. Babies who are ready to go home do not have major desaturations which lead to prolonged resuscitation. [...]

Lucy Letby: Baby's seizures did not happen naturally, trial hears

 

[JosieJo]

Lucy Letby: Baby's seizures did not happen naturally, trial hears

Medical tests did not identify a reason for a premature baby's seizures, Lucy Letby's trial hears.

www.bbc.com

So many unexplainable collapses

 

[msmarple99]

I believe of the children who survived it was G, M and possibly Q.

Tragic,

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

10% BBC -

[...]

Dr Evans agreed with Ben Myers KC, defending, that he could not rule out infection "for sure".

However fellow expert witness, consultant paediatrician Dr Sandie Bohin, said she had excluded infection.

She told the court: "[Child J] was a well baby. She was ready to go home. Babies who are ready to go home do not have major desaturations which lead to prolonged resuscitation. [...]

Lucy Letby: Baby's seizures did not happen naturally, trial hears

Oh that’s interesting. It seems like it’s usually dr Evans with the firm opinions excluding other causes and dr Bohinx saying she couldn’t rule out another cause. In this case, it’s the other way round.

 

[Dotta]

For the Special Babies on
Valentine Day

You are the ones who stole your parents' hearts for life when they first held you in their arms….

Happy Valentine’s Day!

Parents know you are
always
smiling and happy now.

They love you to Heaven
and back!!!

 

[MsBetsy]

Tragic,

Child G is multi-disabled with quadrapeligic cerebral palsy. She is also visually impaired, needs a feeding tube and 24 hour care.

I'm sure it is very difficult for her parents. I can't imagine how they feel now, hearing testimony that this was alleged to have been done on purpose.

 

[Tortoise]

I really hope Chester Standard is there today, if they're moving on to Child K.

With two and a half months between Child J at the end of November and Child K in February, I'm interested to see if they will focus at all on what led Dr Jayaram to check up on LL with Child K.

Also I think Child K might be a relatively quick case to present, with her only being at the Countess for a matter of hours, so if Chester Standard misses that, evidence could be finished in a day and they could move on to Child L tomorrow.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

I really hope Chester Standard is there today, if they're moving on to Child K.

With two and a half months between Child J at the end of November and Child K in February, I'm interested to see if they will focus at all on what led Dr Jayaram to check up on LL with Child K.

Also I think Child K might be a relatively quick case to present, with her only being at the Countess for a matter of hours, so if Chester Standard misses that, evidence could be finished in a day and they could move on to Child L tomorrow.

And I really hope we get to hear about the murder charge for child k which the prosecution offered no evidence for a couple months before the trial began, leading to a not guilty verdict being entered for this charge. I really want to hear all about why this was originally charged and then abandoned , particularly the medical evidence .

It will be interesting to see if the defence use it to really build on their suggestions that the medical experts are changing their opinions to fit the facts.

 

[Tortoise]

It will be interesting to see if the defence use it to really build on their suggestions that the medical experts are changing their opinions to fit the facts.

I'm unsure what you mean. Opinions are formed on facts, and we haven't heard what their opinions were, to be able to say they changed them.

I don't think I've heard the defence say this in more than one case, which was child C. Do you have more examples?

 

[Tortoise]

Yay!!!

9:02am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is expected to continue today (Wednesday, February 15).
We will be bringing you updates throughout the day.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, February 15

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

I find this suggestion by dr bohin odd.

“Mr Myers says Dr Bohin had said there was no evidence it was in situ as Child I was bottle feeding, so the tube couldn't be in.

"Well, someone could've put one in," Dr Bohin replies.”

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, February 10

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

im wondering what grounds she has to suggest something like that. Seems to be suggested to fit a diagnosis made before the facts are looked at.