VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998

I've been off the thread for awhile, but I am going to go back and see if I can find that info. It will likely take awhile, since much of the threads and media are so old.

These two traffickers?

 
Damn, I keep flipping my mind about on this. There is not exactly impartial information available. Did anyone else find the information about the grand jury testimonies?

I mean witnesses can be manipulated and giving a drink to someone is not a crime; in fact I would imagine it happens a lot on a cruise ship. But then I don't get a good feeling about this host of characters. Also, why were some aspects of the timing of the story changed? I was quite concerned when I discovered that.

That photograph is chilling but it means nothing really if they cannot ascertain whether or not it was doctored. Also, there are lots of people who look like looks of people - look at all of the fake sightings (like Pepita Redhair).

People say trafficking is unlikely and in general I agree given the demographic. I mean isn't it more likely that it would be an assault onboard? But, if someone was to do it I would imagine that this is a good place. What jurisdiction are you under? Netherlands Antilles at the time? I am not that familar with Curaçao despite my ex being from a similar island in that region so I looked it up and good luck with that.

If someone fell off the top deck or a balcony, even if they could swim to shore they could still be knocked unconscious or pulled into the ship's machinery I would imagine.

Is it accurate that Amy's father's boss (Mike McCord) was on the trip with them and why is this never mentioned? Is what Chris Fenwick says accurate? Chris Fenwick's Custom Tutorials - Home - Amy Bradley is missing.
I think it's been mentioned in many articles about her father's boss being on the trip. It's how they came to be on the trip in the first place. I'm not sure it has any significance to the disappearance, though. (At least I haven't come up with anything.)

Regarding the photograph, one of the earlier threads showed the results of an expert, I believe hired by Amy's parents, who came to the conclusion that the photo was of Amy. He showed specific comparisons between features of known photos of Amy with the features of the woman in the internet photos. I looked at all the comparisons and was pretty convinced. I can see people not coming to the same conclusion, but I start to get a little suspicious when I read about people who think it's a totally ridiculous idea that it could be Amy. The similarities are indeed striking, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that it is Amy. After all, she IS MISSING, and the FBI doesn't seem to think she fell in the water. (This comment isn't aimed at the poster above, but there have been posters on Amy's threads who are adamant about their position that Amy fell overboard and refuse to even consider compelling evidence.)

Regarding fake sightings: I think there were MANY "fake sightings" of Amy. They were all sightings given by the opposing side in the court case. (Sadly, I don't think regular people, such as Amy's parents, stand much of a chance in any court against a Cruise Line, insurance companies, etc.) Clearly, there were many of these "fake sightings", but the sightings originally listed by the FBI, in my opinion, are believable. There were so many particulars, such as descriptions of Amy's tattoos, which were quite unique.

Regarding falling into the water, there are so many, many points against this, I don't know where to begin. Sure, anyone call fall (or be pushed) overboard and be pulled under/into the ship's machinery, but eventually they would come out, I'd think. Amy didn't go missing in the open ocean, and a search was started early on. Surely there would be some sign of her, of clothing, etc? She was very close to shore.

I also have a hard time thinking that Amy was hanging around the balcony, as she was scared of being in a ship on the water. She didn't even want to go on the cruise. I'd think if she had to vomit or something she'd use a toilet, rather than getting so close to the very thing she was so scared of.

Then, as we've mentioned so many times on this thread, there were many, many "strange" things that happened. I won't go into them here as they been mentioned over and over in the threads.

Finally, the FBI wasn't simply called in briefly. They firmly believe that Amy was abducted and she's remained on their website for many, many years. Is there anyone else who is missing from a cruise ship who remain on the FBI website as missing? Most people missing from cruise ships have either gone overboard and there is evidence that that is what happened, or are eventually found in other places. Amy's is the only case I know of where the FBI obviously thinks that she was kidnapped from the ship. Over the years, they've indicated specific people who they think were involved; they've verified, at least to their own satisfaction, several sightings of her (enough to put out sketches to the public) they've changed and updated their website with information, never removing her. Does this really sound like someone who simply "fell overboard"?

Sadly, I don't think she will be found in this lifetime. I also don't think she fell in the water.
 
I've read this brief thread but haven't gone through the archived ones yet. I'm just trying to get a handle on the sleeping arrangements for the Bradley family. Did the whole family sleep in one cabin or did they have another one?

I've cruised quite a bit and met families that have more than one stateroom or cabin. Many times, the kids are in an inside cabin, meaning one without windows, portholes or balcony, that is directly across from the adults/parent's cabin that has a balcony. It's the best of both world since the kids can access the balcony when the parents are there to supervise. However, we're not talking about young teens or preteens, we're talking about two adult children, and big adults at that. I just can't see four big adults sharing a cabin for 10 days, even if you spend most of your time on deck or on land. It would be pretty tight for four adults.

Most cruise ships want to have happy passengers. Most of the rules onboard ship are related to the passenger's wellbeing and to protect the cruise lines for possible lawsuits. Some of those rules are not allowing passengers to bring their own alcohol onboard. That serves them in two ways; they make money off all the booze passengers buy on board and it's one less issue to be saddled with if a passenger drinks from a private stash over and above what they purchased on board. Drunk people can engage in the same dangerous and reckless behaviors on board as they do on land. Unfortunately there are websites devoted on how to bypass those rules and some people are still successful in bringing their own alcohol on board. And I have to say, back in 1998 I don't believe the regulations were as stringent as they are now. People regularly brought their own alcohol on board because it was easier to fool security.

Another rule is having railings on board high enough (legal height must be at least 1 metre but most ships are higher than that, usually around 45 or 48 inches. If you ever see pictures of passengers on board looking over the railings they are usually resting their elbows on the railing. Most railings above waist height deter any accidental falling. I've been on a ship where a guy jumped up on the railing, and briefly hung on to a huge steel riveted beam running diagonally up to the next deck. He jumped down right away but I think if any security saw him do that, he would have been escorted off the ship at the next port of call.

When people are referring to ship staff engaging with Amy are they talking about the bass player from the band or a bartender or steward, someone of that nature? Do we know whether the band was based in the US or were they based out of one of the ports of call? I've been on ships where some of the entertainers debark at one of the ports of call since that is where they are based or live.

Unfortunately some of the links have disappeared that posters refer to, so the info for new posters is sparse. Right now, I'm going to say I'm following Occam's Razor at the moment and go with the theory she fell/jumped/was pushed/or engaging in activity that resulted in her going overboard. Misadventure is very unfortunate but if she was engaging in an activity that included another person then I'd have to know why they never came forward.

Chris Fenwick's blog from 2010 raises some questions about the tape and individuals who were interested in it. It hasn't been updated since then as far as I can tell.

The crew engaging with Amy … Eduardo Cabrita and Alister Douglas…

Posts #130 and #133 here..

 
I think it's been mentioned in many articles about her father's boss being on the trip. It's how they came to be on the trip in the first place. I'm not sure it has any significance to the disappearance, though. (At least I haven't come up with anything.)

Regarding the photograph, one of the earlier threads showed the results of an expert, I believe hired by Amy's parents, who came to the conclusion that the photo was of Amy. He showed specific comparisons between features of known photos of Amy with the features of the woman in the internet photos. I looked at all the comparisons and was pretty convinced. I can see people not coming to the same conclusion, but I start to get a little suspicious when I read about people who think it's a totally ridiculous idea that it could be Amy. The similarities are indeed striking, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that it is Amy. After all, she IS MISSING, and the FBI doesn't seem to think she fell in the water. (This comment isn't aimed at the poster above, but there have been posters on Amy's threads who are adamant about their position that Amy fell overboard and refuse to even consider compelling evidence.)

Regarding fake sightings: I think there were MANY "fake sightings" of Amy. They were all sightings given by the opposing side in the court case. (Sadly, I don't think regular people, such as Amy's parents, stand much of a chance in any court against a Cruise Line, insurance companies, etc.) Clearly, there were many of these "fake sightings", but the sightings originally listed by the FBI, in my opinion, are believable. There were so many particulars, such as descriptions of Amy's tattoos, which were quite unique.

Regarding falling into the water, there are so many, many points against this, I don't know where to begin. Sure, anyone call fall (or be pushed) overboard and be pulled under/into the ship's machinery, but eventually they would come out, I'd think. Amy didn't go missing in the open ocean, and a search was started early on. Surely there would be some sign of her, of clothing, etc? She was very close to shore.

I also have a hard time thinking that Amy was hanging around the balcony, as she was scared of being in a ship on the water. She didn't even want to go on the cruise. I'd think if she had to vomit or something she'd use a toilet, rather than getting so close to the very thing she was so scared of.

Then, as we've mentioned so many times on this thread, there were many, many "strange" things that happened. I won't go into them here as they been mentioned over and over in the threads.

Finally, the FBI wasn't simply called in briefly. They firmly believe that Amy was abducted and she's remained on their website for many, many years. Is there anyone else who is missing from a cruise ship who remain on the FBI website as missing? Most people missing from cruise ships have either gone overboard and there is evidence that that is what happened, or are eventually found in other places. Amy's is the only case I know of where the FBI obviously thinks that she was kidnapped from the ship. Over the years, they've indicated specific people who they think were involved; they've verified, at least to their own satisfaction, several sightings of her (enough to put out sketches to the public) they've changed and updated their website with information, never removing her. Does this really sound like someone who simply "fell overboard"?

Sadly, I don't think she will be found in this lifetime. I also don't think she fell in the water.
I suspect she is on the website still mainly because there isn’t evidence completely pointing either direction. She could have met with foul play on the ship, she could have fallen over. Her being there may generate leads. The FBI hasn’t stated anything stating in recent years what they feel happened. She’s disappeared-and that’s as far as the facts go.
 
Glad to see the FBI still has her case. Her case has always troubled me, bit just because if the odd circumstances and sightings, but also cause she's only a few weeks different in age.

The weaknesses and flaws of her fellow human beings failed her. Saddest part is that her family never gets closure. We would have both be 49, which means she would have sadly aged out a long time ago for what these monsters wanted. Hopefully she's been in the arms of the eternal father where she awaits her loved ones.
 
Hi all! I’ve been reading through the first and second thread for Amy from 2012.

Does anyone know what happened to user FindAmy? She had so much input and supposedly was a verified insider, known to the family, who claimed there had been sightings in the years since 2005 but couldn’t discuss them as they are not known to the public.

She was last active 10 years ago but it would be great if there was a way to get her back on the forums or what her thoughts are 10 years later now as to if Amy is alive?
 
Welcome avobo00. I cannot believe it has been 10 years since Amy's thread was active. I followed it religiously! FindingAmy was always very careful about the things he/she posted about Amy as if she was still alive and not wanting to jepordize anything with the case.

I wish we could learn something new, but probably never will. Thanks for your input!
 
Welcome avobo00. I cannot believe it has been 10 years since Amy's thread was active. I followed it religiously! FindingAmy was always very careful about the things he/she posted about Amy as if she was still alive and not wanting to jepordize anything with the case.

I wish we could learn something new, but probably never will. Thanks for your input!

Thank you @nannymo ! I was checking the Amy is missing website and my mistake, it hasn’t been removed but it’s quite different to before - it’s now a forum type layout. I haven’t read up about Amy for 6 years.

Here is the link -https://amybradleyismissing.com/index.php/topic,25.0.html

The latest post was this month. They still keep Amy’s car in the garage in their hope of her return.

Her family believe she is still alive - I wonder if there are sightings after 2005 that are being withheld from the public of Amy? It’s been 18 years since the last media sighting and she would be almost 50 which is too old for any trafficking form.
 
Thank you @nannymo ! I was checking the Amy is missing website and my mistake, it hasn’t been removed but it’s quite different to before - it’s now a forum type layout. I haven’t read up about Amy for 6 years.

Here is the link -https://amybradleyismissing.com/index.php/topic,25.0.html

The latest post was this month. They still keep Amy’s car in the garage in their hope of her return.

Her family believe she is still alive - I wonder if there are sightings after 2005 that are being withheld from the public of Amy? It’s been 18 years since the last media sighting and she would be almost 50 which is too old for any trafficking form.

The pictures and notes from her family gave me chills. Thank you very much for posting.
 
Don’t think the family are here or use social media to raise awareness. VI was fantastic but she left 10 years ago now.
TY. Someone contacted me in april via email after seeing the Web of Death Hulu episode I was on. Of course they denied that is how they came to know about me and then finally admitted it. Anyways, said he's some hollywood producer and this was a private matter and asked me to keep it hush hush. Wanted to know if I could do international sleuthing and go to ABC Islands to help find her. I think he said Aruba. Not interested in me being on his show (not sure what exactly he's doing with info). I laughted and said I was more of a domestic sleuth lol and wasnt interested. He said that the FBI is working with him and that's why I can't say anything. Ok, so he has not contacted me again but the more and more I think about this I think the family should know. He told me things about her that his contacts told him but I'm not really involved so I have the info on how I spoke to him on phone, his name, and he owns some production company. Though he told me he was credited for a movie from the 70s and he's not on imdb
 
I mean, why wouldn’t he just go to the parents directly if he has info? The FBI surely knows how to contact them.

Be careful, @Sleuthster ! Sounds very hinky.
He claimed to be working with the FBI and the family. He said I would be meeting and working with both. What's weird is his initial out of the blue said he wanted to speak with me about a "personal matter". I responded asking what this was about and he responded that it was a personal matter and he wasnt comfortable discussing it via email and asked me to call him. So I called him and he's talking to me and hangs up suddenly. I just figured he was some weirdo but then he texts me hours later that he was at a meeting and would call me. I told him I was going to bed (3 hour time difference) and if he wanted to speak with me contact me tomorrow. SO we talked on phone and he said stuff my above post and some other stuff which is hearsay so I can't post. His production company exists but when I googled him it came up him in burbank, Ca and a woman with different last name in Omaha. He was irritated on phone when I asked him who this woman was and then he said he knew her. I donno...why would he contact the Sleuthster and think I was some international sleuth who would be willing to help him, for free mind you lol, and tell me I can't talk about it to anyone because it would effect the investigation. Im really nobody who happens to know 2 missing people in my life and helped with a bunch of other sleuths on here find closure for Abraham Shakespears family and appeared on a show.. edit- I thought he wanted me to be on some show because I had been contacted about other shows.,
 

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