Video of the Forensics

[JaneInOz]

Jane, I don't know how to snip, but you say this:
"I don't know I just don't buy it, I dont buy it that a mother could just brutally stab her two boys like that."
I guess I just don't understand why you have so much trouble believing a mom could do this, when sadly, it happens often these days.
This is a case that happened in my old home town, one street over from where I used to live. the girl attended school with my daughter:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-45822.html
And so many other cases...Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, etc...Moms DO kill.

Im sorry that your daughter would have been traumatized by this

But in regards to this case its not the same and Yes I get that this woman Williams killed her kids - I wouldn't be saying "I don't believe she could do it"
Her life was one of drugs and crime...Not loving mothering as in Darlies case..
(and please no one bring up the stuff about her chastising her boys and this and that...Ive read all that - it doesnt make her a killer mother ! )

Mother's life: Drugs and crime
Woman faces charges in slayings of her children
By Todd DeFeo | todd.defeo@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 12:03 AM on Saturday, January 6, 2007
WINDER - Five days before her children were found stabbed to death in a Bethlehem home, Felicia Belle Williams admitted to her probation officer that she had used crack cocaine two weeks earlier.

On the day authorities found the children's lifeless bodies, Barrow County Superior Court Judge David Motes gave Williams 30 days to enroll in a "substance abuse treatment program" for eight to 12 months. She was before the judge because she'd violated the terms of probation she'd received on burglary, theft and forgery convictions.

This Williams Woman was using Crack

 

[White Rain]

Im sorry that your daughter would have been traumatized by this

But in regards to this case its not the same and Yes I get that this woman Williams killed her kids - I wouldn't be saying "I don't believe she could do it"
Her life was one of drugs and crime...Not loving mothering as in Darlies case..
(and please no one bring up the stuff about her chastising her boys and this and that...Ive read all that - it doesnt make her a killer mother ! )



This Williams Woman was using Crack

There are plenty of moms not on crack who kill their kids. I can name a few if you'd like.
Susan Smith was reportedly a loving mother.
Diane Downs family and ex-husband claimed she was a loving mother.
Priscilla Phillips (not a well-known case, but there is a book about her called "A Mother's Trial") was a reportedly loving mother.
None of these did drugs. I can name a few more but you get what I am saying.

 

[JaneInOz]

There are plenty of moms not on crack who kill their kids. I can name a few if you'd like.
Susan Smith was reportedly a loving mother.
Diane Downs family and ex-husband claimed she was a loving mother.
Priscilla Phillips (not a well-known case, but there is a book about her called "A Mother's Trial") was a reportedly loving mother.
None of these did drugs. I can name a few more but you get what I am saying.

Hey WR I don't want to be picky with you here but these women seem to all have *reason* as it were..Not Quite the word Im looking for but you get what I mean (I hope)
Susan Smith - in all likelyhood had BPD

I draw your attention to this http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/index_1.html
Susan Smith Child Murderer or victim is the title

Diane Downs - There is doubt over her doing the crime as well http://www.dianedowns.com/

Priscilla Phillips
A woman diagnosed with Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, a disorder that compels mothers to make their children ill, and was put on trial for the death of her adopted baby daughter.

I write about Adoption Deaths. So this one touches a nerve, but she again had a illness.

There is more reading re this particular case here http://laurajames.typepad.com/clews/2006/06/much_house_appr.html

Im just saying in all these cases there are *reasons* not that we agree or rationale them but there are real reasons.

There are no reasons with Darlie

 

[White Rain]

Hey WR I don't want to be picky with you here but these women seem to all have *reason* as it were..Not Quite the word Im looking for but you get what I mean (I hope)
Susan Smith - in all likelyhood had BPD

I draw your attention to this http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/index_1.html
Susan Smith Child Murderer or victim is the title

Diane Downs - There is doubt over her doing the crime as well http://www.dianedowns.com/

Priscilla Phillips
A woman diagnosed with Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, a disorder that compels mothers to make their children ill, and was put on trial for the death of her adopted baby daughter.

I write about Adoption Deaths. So this one touches a nerve, but she again had a illness.

There is more reading re this particular case here http://laurajames.typepad.com/clews/2006/06/much_house_appr.html

Im just saying in all these cases there are *reasons* not that we agree or rationale them but there are real reasons.

There are no reasons with Darlie

I hope I don't seem picky either...I like going back and forth lol.
You believe there are no reasons for Darlie having done this. I believe there are.
So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :blowkiss:

 

[JaneInOz]

I hope I don't seem picky either...I like going back and forth lol.
You believe there are no reasons for Darlie having done this. I believe there are.
So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :blowkiss:

Heh heh Okay Agreed (to disagree that is ) :blowkiss:

 

[Darshana]

Im glad that the Darlie Routier Threads are back. I hope everyone can remain civil and allow them to stay.
Im a "don't think she did it" believer

I just watched that video for the very first time, and whilst I'm sitting here with my stomach churning, and thinking geeze that evidence is pretty damn strong ( it had to be to put her on Death row) I can not believe that a woman just casually one day after premeditating this to happen walked in to the kitchen got a knife and then walked over to her boys and stabbed them repeatedly to death
And then proceeded to just miss her ca rotted artery..Had she been doing extensive body psychics studies to know how NOT to miss the place that would expunge her own life ?
The spots of blood on the Back of the night shirt could easily have come from the person that did it - as suggested by her - an intruder - as hes flinging the knife back- she is sleeping side on, or what about when she gets up if blood is going all over the place ?

In regards to the sink she had a wet towel to her neck - So she could just have easily stood at the sink wetting a cloth to hold to her neck.

I don't know I just don't buy it, I dont buy it that a mother could just brutally stab her two boys like that. and what leave one alive ? Oh well The 3 of them are not down here so I'll make do with just doing away with two of them ?

As far as that sock goes, well it could have been easy enough for it to drop, or to have been caught up with *intruders* clothing shoe etc and fell out...

But this is why I am opposed to the Death Penalty, because if she didnt do it and she dies by the dealth penalty and later its found she was innocent after all.................

Well........................it just doesnt bear thinking about

I don't wish to be yelled at for believing that she is quite possibly innocent. Im not yelling at anyone who believes she is guilty so please no yelling in this direction
Id like the threads to remain up !
Thanks



ETA Just been reading some of the Trial Transcripts - Darins Testimony


Adds further to my theory of why there was so much blood at the kitchen sink and WHY it appeared as though it had been wiped down
If she was wetting the towels and they were hanging down over the sink edge down the cupboard it could easily have wiped off some blood.

And then here is the same trial transcript explaining the vacuum cleaner episode

I totally agree with everything you said. Nothing in this case makes sense. For me the bloody sock found in the alley, the severity of the wounds to Darlie, which to me do not look like someone trying to cover up something by almost killing herself. The 911 call, to me, is a woman in complete histerics and wanting help ASAP. The blood over the sink is her standing there wetting towels for her children and water running which may have been misinterpreted as a cleanup. If anyone may be guilty in this case I would say it most likely is her husband hiring someone over Darlie "snapping". Nothing adds up for me to conclusively say it was definately Darlie. MOO
ETA: another puzzling thing to me is the fact that she was only tried for one son and not the other because there were 2 different knives used on them The other knife was never recovered. hmmmmmmm.....

 

[White Rain]

I totally agree with everything you said. Nothing in this case makes sense. For me the bloody sock found in the alley, the severity of the wounds to Darlie, which to me do not look like someone trying to cover up something by almost killing herself. The 911 call, to me, is a woman in complete histerics and wanting help ASAP. The blood over the sink is her standing there wetting towels for her children and water running which may have been misinterpreted as a cleanup. If anyone may be guilty in this case I would say it most likely is her husband hiring someone over Darlie "snapping". Nothing adds up for me to conclusively say it was definately Darlie. MOO
ETA: another puzzling thing to me is the fact that she was only tried for one son and not the other because there were 2 different knives used on them The other knife was never recovered. hmmmmmmm.....

I believe the reason she was charged only in Damon's death was so that in case she was found not guilty, she could then be tried in Devon's. Smart move for the prosecutor's IMO.

 

[whitywendy]

Hey WR I don't want to be picky with you here but these women seem to all have *reason* as it were..Not Quite the word Im looking for but you get what I mean (I hope)
Susan Smith - in all likelyhood had BPD

I draw your attention to this http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/index_1.html
Susan Smith Child Murderer or victim is the title

Diane Downs - There is doubt over her doing the crime as well http://www.dianedowns.com/

Priscilla Phillips
A woman diagnosed with Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, a disorder that compels mothers to make their children ill, and was put on trial for the death of her adopted baby daughter.

I write about Adoption Deaths. So this one touches a nerve, but she again had a illness.

There is more reading re this particular case here http://laurajames.typepad.com/clews/2006/06/much_house_appr.html

Im just saying in all these cases there are *reasons* not that we agree or rationale them but there are real reasons.

There are no reasons with Darlie

You mentioned above that these other women had a "reason" to "kill". IMO Darlie HAD REASONS for killing her babies.....reasons we will NEVER to be privy to, reasons we will never be able to comprehend. After all everything happens for a reason.

 

[White Rain]

You mentioned above that these other women had a "reason" to "kill". IMO Darlie HAD REASONS for killing her babies.....reasons we will NEVER to be privy to, reasons we will never be able to comprehend. After all everything happens for a reason.

I think she did too. If you look at every killer in the world they all have some reason.

 

[PolyGraph]

I need to ask something, why does everyone automatically think that Darlie did this and that Darin had nothing to do with this? the guy failed a lie dectector test that basically asked him if he stabbed his wife and kids!!! Just because there is blood on the sink does not gaurantee that Darlie put it there! It could have just as easily been Darin... And not only that, Darlie is acting weird because its obvious she is on some type of medications (possibly psychotropic) from the way she talks, looks and acts...that does NOT make her a killer, silly string doesnt either, Im not saying she did not premeditate this either, but the evidence seems likely that it was mostly Darins idea, whether she knew what was happening or not, she knows that Darin has another one of her kids, that he could easily kill the baby too if she rats him out? Couldnt that be why she is lieing??? just a thought. She very well may have been in on the scam, Im calling it a scam because I think this was done to get either insurance money (which Im not sure but Im willing to bet my left arm someone took life insurance out on the boys before this) or some type of monetary scene. MOO

 

[whitywendy]

I need to ask something, why does everyone automatically think that Darlie did this and that Darin had nothing to do with this? the guy failed a lie dectector test that basically asked him if he stabbed his wife and kids!!! Just because there is blood on the sink does not gaurantee that Darlie put it there! It could have just as easily been Darin... And not only that, Darlie is acting weird because its obvious she is on some type of medications (possibly psychotropic) from the way she talks, looks and acts...that does NOT make her a killer, silly string doesnt either, Im not saying she did not premeditate this either, but the evidence seems likely that it was mostly Darins idea, whether she knew what was happening or not, she knows that Darin has another one of her kids, that he could easily kill the baby too if she rats him out? Couldnt that be why she is lieing??? just a thought. She very well may have been in on the scam, Im calling it a scam because I think this was done to get either insurance money (which Im not sure but Im willing to bet my left arm someone took life insurance out on the boys before this) or some type of monetary scene. MOO

I didn't automatically assume Darlie murdered her kids. At first...when it first happened and it was breaking news in Texas, I remember saying to my bf that I bet her husband did it. It wasn't until AFTER I read the transcripts that I came to the conclusion that she did in fact murder her boys.

In regards to the poly - the question was worded entirely different than the way you stated it above. He was asked IF HE HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHO KILLED the boys. This is were it was stated his answer was deceptive, among others but basically the questions and wording was not DID YOU STAB YOUR BOYS. Think about it. He knew what she did. I do not believe whatsoever after reading everything that Darin had anything to do with the murder of his boys. He IMO is guilty of covering for Darlie but that man was in shock when he came downstairs. You can tell it by how he describes that morning in his testimony. I also do not believe Darin knew that Darlie was going to kill her boys so therefore do believe he was "in on the scam". This wasn't a scam, this was a murder.

Oh and I do not believe for one second that Darlie would sit on death row this long because she refused to rat out Darin.

In regards to the med's she was on prior to the murders. It is all in the transcripts. The only drug found in her system the night of the murders was the diet pill. Nothing else.

 

[White Rain]

I need to ask something, why does everyone automatically think that Darlie did this and that Darin had nothing to do with this? the guy failed a lie dectector test that basically asked him if he stabbed his wife and kids!!! Just because there is blood on the sink does not gaurantee that Darlie put it there! It could have just as easily been Darin... And not only that, Darlie is acting weird because its obvious she is on some type of medications (possibly psychotropic) from the way she talks, looks and acts...that does NOT make her a killer, silly string doesnt either, Im not saying she did not premeditate this either, but the evidence seems likely that it was mostly Darins idea, whether she knew what was happening or not, she knows that Darin has another one of her kids, that he could easily kill the baby too if she rats him out? Couldnt that be why she is lieing??? just a thought. She very well may have been in on the scam, Im calling it a scam because I think this was done to get either insurance money (which Im not sure but Im willing to bet my left arm someone took life insurance out on the boys before this) or some type of monetary scene. MOO

Darlie took a lie detector test as well, and the results were never made known which leads me to believe she also failed. If she had passed her family would be screaming it from the rooftops.
I don't "automatically" think Darlie did this. This crime is over 10 years old...thats plenty of time for everyone to read the books and the transcripts and look at all the evidence and gather an opinion.
The evidence didn't put the knife in Darin's hand, it put it in Darlie's.
Apparently there was only $10,000 life insurance on the boys...enough to bury them, maybe not even enough for that. So I don't think life insurance was at ANY way involved here.
I also think Darin may have been involved in the cover-up, but I 100% do NOT believe he was the murderer. When he ran down the stairs in the 911 call you can hear the panic in his voice. He attempted to give Devon cpr...meanwhile Darlie did NOTHING to help those boys but she made damn sure she had a towel on her neck wound.
Also during the graveside party Darin didn't join in the spirit and spray silly string nor was he seen laughing...he stood there with his hands in his pockets and his head held down. he looked sad.
I haven't seen any video of Darlie that made it seem like she was medicated. Which ones are you referring to?

 

[Kitty5001]

ok while we are on the subject of the luminol and the sink can someone please explain to me why anyone in a frantic state of mind would waste their time WETTING towels to stop blood loss? Does anyone, when you cut yourself or are assisting a cut, wet the papertowel or fabric towel before you apply it to the bleeding wound? Wouldn't you just grab the first thing you found and apply the pressure dry?:waitasec:
It would however provide a nice excuse for her at the sink though.

 

[Crow_Ascending]

Darlie never mentioned wetting towels until after her post-funeral visit to the house when she saw the sink had been taken as evidence. If anyone wants to review the 911 call, at 03:08:08 Darlie tells the 911 operator "I've just got to SIT here forever....oh my god." Doesn't sound like she was running back and forth wetting towels.

 

[PolyGraph]

Darlie took a lie detector test as well, and the results were never made known which leads me to believe she also failed. If she had passed her family would be screaming it from the rooftops.
I don't "automatically" think Darlie did this. This crime is over 10 years old...thats plenty of time for everyone to read the books and the transcripts and look at all the evidence and gather an opinion.
The evidence didn't put the knife in Darin's hand, it put it in Darlie's.
Apparently there was only $10,000 life insurance on the boys...enough to bury them, maybe not even enough for that. So I don't think life insurance was at ANY way involved here.
I also think Darin may have been involved in the cover-up, but I 100% do NOT believe he was the murderer. When he ran down the stairs in the 911 call you can hear the panic in his voice. He attempted to give Devon cpr...meanwhile Darlie did NOTHING to help those boys but she made damn sure she had a towel on her neck wound.
Also during the graveside party Darin didn't join in the spirit and spray silly string nor was he seen laughing...he stood there with his hands in his pockets and his head held down. he looked sad.
I haven't seen any video of Darlie that made it seem like she was medicated. Which ones are you referring to?

Ill find it again, I saw it on utube. I will get it and paste it on here for you and that was not the way that investigator worded it when I saw it, he specifically said to Darin (and you can see darins reaction on the vid) "your sitting their smiling when I asked you if you murdered your wife" and "your lieing" and you see Darin sitting their smiling his a@@ off.

Anyway, Im going to do what you fine folks did and look at the transcripts since that seems to be what everyone is basing their guilty darlie findings on, can someone please link them on here for me? thanks so much, Im saying prayers at night for Damon and Devon poor little babies, they deserved so much more...:rose:

 

[Kitty5001]

Actually all of the transcripts and pictures of the scene etc. can all be found on this side http://www.justicefordarlie.net/
-warning- the pictures are graphic

and there is ALOT of reading that will take days to get through everything but if you take the time the light bulbs will turn on and you will be shocked to find out that someone could do this to their own children. ironically the 'Truth' is all found on her own pro-Darlie site.

 

[JaneInOz]

ok while we are on the subject of the luminol and the sink can someone please explain to me why anyone in a frantic state of mind would waste their time WETTING towels to stop blood loss? Does anyone, when you cut yourself or are assisting a cut, wet the papertowel or fabric towel before you apply it to the bleeding wound? Wouldn't you just grab the first thing you found and apply the pressure dry?:waitasec:
It would however provide a nice excuse for her at the sink though.

No I always wet the tissue or paper towel. In fact if its a hand or finger I stick it straight under cold water first

 

[Daphne69]

I missed the video youtube. Is it up somewhere else? Is it different than the slideshow on justicefordarlie.com?

 

[Kitty5001]

No I always wet the tissue or paper towel. In fact if its a hand or finger I stick it straight under cold water first

Sure i can see for a cut finger to clean out the wound from debri or dirt etc but knowing that you have deep stab wounds, what would be the point of the water? Wouldn't you want to stop the bleeding by putting pressure on the wound with something dry?? esp with that amount of blood the water would do no good besides wasting more time to wet them.

 

[MomofBoys]

Especially since a dry towel would absorb more blood. To me, wet towels would seem to indicate someone wanting to wipe away the blood. Clean it off.

My instinct in that scenario would be to use dry towels. Warm, absorbent, less sloppy when it came to applying pressure.

I just know as a mother I'd want to keep my baby boys warm.