WA WA - Cowlitz Co, AmInd/NativeFem 20-29, UP10449, passngr in MVA, scoliosis, May'91

[Tssiemer]

I would be in.


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[carbuff]

So here's the rule out list from NamUs (https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10449 ) as of 5/3/16:
Emily Ballantyne 1966 Washington
Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
Angela Hammond 1971 Missouri
Nguyet Phung 1971 Washington
Barbara Sterbinsky 1959 Washington

It's kind of surprising she hasn't received more attention -- but hopefully, since we have this reconstruction, she can come home! Fingers crossed 2016 is the year for her.

Yeah, I wish we could find who she is. It's been too long.

I think the names on the ruleouts are all the women in the system who are listed as having scoliosis. I recognize several names. I'll have to double-check it against my list and see if there's anybody else who should be submitted

Carbuff adds another item to her many-pages-long to-do list

 

[Roselvr]

Yeah, I wish we could find who she is. It's been too long.

I think the names on the ruleouts are all the women in the system who are listed as having scoliosis. I recognize several names. I'll have to double-check it against my list and see if there's anybody else who should be submitted

Carbuff adds another item to her many-pages-long to-do list

I have several of those many pages of to do lists lol

I have her on NJ for the Federal Help Find the Missing Act - Billy's Law as a note because I thought it would be easier for people to share her. She only got 4 shares. I'm going to share it again.

Link to note - NamUs UP #10449 May 14, 1991 possible Missouri, Kansas; Colorado; Wyoming, Utah; Idaho; Oregon MP

 

[carbuff]

I have several of those many pages of to do lists lol

I have her on NJ for the Federal Help Find the Missing Act - Billy's Law as a note because I thought it would be easier for people to share her. She only got 4 shares. I'm going to share it again.

Link to note - NamUs UP #10449 May 14, 1991 possible Missouri, Kansas; Colorado; Wyoming, Utah; Idaho; Oregon MP

Shared. I don't think I had seen her on your page before.

 

[Roselvr]

Shared. I don't think I had seen her on your page before.

Thank you. I was going to try to work the page more this year but I just have not had time. I barely have time to get here either.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Harvel started his trip in Missouri, stopping in Tacoma. He was headed to Portland at the time of the crash. He didn’t have anyone registered as riding with him, so it’s likely he picked up the woman as a hitchhiker, said Detective Greg Wilcoxson of the Washington State Patrol.

May I ask a general question here?

I'm curious about the bit in bold, about passengers being registered to ride with truck drivers. I had assumed that any passengers riding with drivers would be either friends and family or impromptu pickups along the way, so how does this registration thing work and how common is it for a driver to register a passenger? Would that normally be restricted to friends and family of the driver or could any member of the public book a trip with the next driver going their way?

 

[carbuff]

May I ask a general question here?

I'm curious about the bit in bold, about passengers being registered to ride with truck drivers. I had assumed that any passengers riding with drivers would be either friends and family or impromptu pickups along the way, so how does this registration thing work and how common is it for a driver to register a passenger? Would that normally be restricted to friends and family of the driver or could any member of the public book a trip with the next driver going their way?

I'll leave the details to somebody who is more familiar with trucking procedures, but I can say that it has to do with insurance requirements. And many companies don't allow riders at all.

 

[Roselvr]

I'll leave the details to somebody who is more familiar with trucking procedures, but I can say that it has to do with insurance requirements. And many companies don't allow riders at all.

I agree it has to do with insurance. I'm not sure if they would contact the insurance company each time someone rode in a vehicle or just have note of it in a log. If something happened, I assume insurance would cover them anyway. I'll ask my hub what his policy says.

 

[CountEveryMoment]

How about Meredith Medina? She was a runaway in 1989. it doesn't say that she was treated for scoliosis, but with in the three years maybe it was possible she was. I think she looks similar to the Jane Doe though.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/875dfok.html

 

[Roselvr]

How about Meredith Medina? She was a runaway in 1989. it doesn't say that she was treated for scoliosis, but with in the three years maybe it was possible she was. I think she looks similar to the Jane Doe though.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/875dfok.html

She's in NamUs with DNA so it's an easy rule in/out
NamUs MP # 6388 - DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

 

[Tdawnm4122]

This is pretty close other than age is a little off.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/marable_susan.html

 

[Giucy]

New MP in NamUs.

Kelly Diane Sims
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19384/0

(Note: The photo is located in the "Documents" section of the NamUs MP casefile)

LKA Info

Date LKA: October 16, 1990
Location LKA: Kelso, Cowlitz County, WA
Age LKA: 27

(snipped for the sake of brevity)

Comments
The main negatives are (1) there's no indication about scoliosis, and (2), the date LKA (16-Oct-1990) is seven months prior to this Jane Doe's accident. The circumstances seem inconsistent, unless she abandoned her family.​

No indication about scoliosis happens when the person is reported as missing. Because the family wouldn't think of reporting it, if the person doesn't wear a brace or doesn't need special care because of it.
For the LKA, its accuracy is sometimes very questionable. Reports can be filed as "LKA : date when reported missing, even when the person has been missing days prior". Especially 20 years ago.
So, I would not necessarily rule out your match based on these two negatives.​

 

[ATheLibrarian]

New sketch

http://www.king5.com/news/local/sketch-could-bring-answers-in-26-year-old-cold-case/463000248

 

[carbuff]

Ruleouts as of 9 August 2017 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10449

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

Emily Ballantyne 1966 Washington
Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
Martha Evans 1957 Oregon
Angela Hammond 1971 Missouri
Nguyet Phung 1971 Washington
Kelly Sims 1963 Washington
Barbara Sterbinsky 1959 Washington

 

[carbuff]

Yeah, I wish we could find who she is. It's been too long.

I think the names on the ruleouts are all the women in the system who are listed as having scoliosis. I recognize several names. I'll have to double-check it against my list and see if there's anybody else who should be submitted

Carbuff adds another item to her many-pages-long to-do list

I actually do have two names that aren't on the ruleouts and went missing before 1991:

Hazel Klug http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/klug_hazel.html missing 1986

Deanna Saccone http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/saccone_deanna.html missing 1985

I don't think either of them is a particularly likely candidate though. Klug is blonde and Saccone is way too tall, though she otherwise resembles the decedent.

 

[Giucy]

Just read through this and thought I would point something out. I don't see that anyone has focused on this, but the article Roselvr posted above says: "All officials knew in 1991 was that she was between 5-foot 1-inch and 5-foot 4-inches tall and had been treated for scoliosis.". If they knew for a fact she had been treated, it would had to have been surgical treatment, correct?

Not necessarily.

A brace is also a treatment for scoliosis. Physiotherapy is also a treatment for scoliosis.

Treated scoliosis means she got a treatment involving a healthcare professional. Be it surgery, be it brace, be it rehabilitation....

and the list of her belongings/clothing didn't include a brace, isn't it safe to assume the treatment for scoliosis was surgical?

Not necessarily. Maybe she left her brace at home.
Maybe she had rehabilitation and she didn't go...
I wouldn't jump that fast.

 

[cvaldez1975]

have they thought of sending the drawing to tribal police in Montana, Idaho and the Dakotas?

 

[carbuff]

have they thought of sending the drawing to tribal police in Montana, Idaho and the Dakotas?

Not to mention Washington and Oregon. She does look native to me.

 

[Springrain]

I couldn't find a thread for her. She was a probable hitchhiker who died in a tractor trailer accident in Kalama, WA. The deceased driver of the tractor trailer was ID'd, but she wasn't. It's thought she may have been picked up between Missouri and Washington.

Her DNA and fingerprints are unavailable, but dentals are. She had bad teeth and severe scoliosis.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/919ufwa.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/10449 (7 rule-outs)

 

[amoreau25]

I couldn't find a thread for her. She was a probable hitchhiker who died in a tractor trailer accident in Kalama, WA. The deceased driver of the tractor trailer was ID'd, but she wasn't. It's thought she may have been picked up between Missouri and Washington.

Her DNA and fingerprints are unavailable, but dentals are. She had bad teeth and severe scoliosis.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/919ufwa.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/10449 (7 rule-outs)

On the doe page it says “Her body was exhumed in January 2014 in order to obtain a DNA sample and to create a reconstruction of what she may have looked like”.. I wonder if they did obtain a dna profile or if the earlier statement of no dna meant the body in 2014 was not in the shape to acquire it?


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