coldcaseman
He alone is dead who has been forgotten
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No chest hair, some hair on legs and arms. Sparse hair on his chin.
docwho3 said:I must have misread the posts when I thought a book had been found with him. . . ooops. But this does raise the question of why he was so familiar with the book that he could use not only a name of a character but also could use a publisher name from the book all from memory. I wonder if that book was required reading in high school or college classes somewhere back then?
jaqinak said:the address he gave is a Best Western in Meridian. Was the hotel he commited suicide in a Best Western? He may have got the address out of a hotel listing
The name of the hotel was never mentioned, 8/10 likely never mentioned to protect themjaqinak said:the address he gave is a Best Western in Meridian. Was the hotel he commited suicide in a Best Western? He may have got the address out of a hotel listing
Correct. I understood that there is a real address with a hotel or motel but I was exploring whether this was some coincidence or not and asking myself and the forum if perhaps the address was meant to be fake and if so was trying to figure out where he got it from. I sure wish a copy of that book had been found in the trash with the scrap of paper about suicide because that would have simplified things.WhiteWolf said:docwho3, it's my understanding the hotel/motel in Meridian, Idaho, is a real place. The help there didn't recognize Lyle, but he may or may not have stayed there. Maybe he stayed there at one one time and remembered the place, or maybe it's something as simple as him picking up a matchbook some place. (I haven't discounted the book, though!)
I am not certain that he lost weight (but he could have lost weight for all I know but I am just not certain of it yet.) He might have gotten the pants from a thrift store or other free agency such as a church group and maybe they just were too big for him to start with.outofthedark said:I had wondered if he was a college/university student of if he ever took any other education.
I found another possible reason for his weight loss- one of the symptoms for appendicitis is loss of appetite, which may have contributed to it, therefore perhaps putting his surgery not too long before his death
jaqinak said:the address he gave is a Best Western in Meridian. Was the hotel he commited suicide in a Best Western? He may have got the address out of a hotel listing
Thanks for the info.coldcaseman said:His appendix scar was old. . .
Sorry for saying he did commit suicide, I thought I read it in some synopsis and I also read it in a new article:coldcaseman said:. . .I believe he read it (possibly in college) and associated himself with Lyles character. In the book Lyle Stevik owned a furniture and the father of a family. He was depressed, and talked about going down into his basement, throwing a rope over a beam and hanging himself. However, he does not commit suicide. . .
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2006/02/19/local_news/01news.txt. . .Youmans says Lyle Stevick is the name of a character in You Must Remember This, a book by Joyce Carol Oates. In the book, the character by the same name spelled differently takes his own life. . .
I feel that way too too but I am not yet sure what his reasons were. The taboo breaking sexual themes of the book and the larger pants he wore to suicide in have me wondering but that isn't proving anything.coldcaseman said:. . .I feel our Lyle saw himself in the character. . .
I'm also wondering if Lyle's heart was broken from a love affair that broke off or if she died?
coldcaseman said:I should add that Lyle was very thin. If he lost weight, it was over a period of time. The skin was not loose or sagging. It's possible he lost the weight due to depression. The pathologist found nothing medically wrong with him.
coldcaseman said:I should add that Lyle was very thin. If he lost weight, it was over a period of time. The skin was not loose or sagging. It's possible he lost the weight due to depression. The pathologist found nothing medically wrong with him.
This could be a long shot, but. If he did loose weight, could that be the key to finding out who he was? What was the belt size at its largest? You stated in another post that he might of lost weight slowly. Can it be determined how slow weight lost would take to bring him to the size at which he was found? Was there ever a drawing made of Lyle if he were 30 - 40 pounds heavier?coldcaseman said:Determining ethnic background by facial features can be unreliable. The pathologist suggested Native American or hispanic due to facial features as well as skin tone, but it's not an exacy science. Concerning the pants, I considered that Lyle just liked to wear larger sizes, but the belt tells a different story. All of the notches were stretched and worn, with the smallest size appearing to fit his waist. As he lost weight, he tightened his belt. My belts look similar, but it's because I'm expanding. I asked my wife to read the book and give me a synopsis. She informed me that Lyle considers and contemplates suicide, but doesn't go through with it. I miscommunicated that to the reporter. Now that I'm retired, I have the time to read the bok myself.