Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #77

[kittythehare]

Good Morning - The thread is OPEN.

Good morning, I had no idea it was this late.

 

[TL4S]

10/14:
As a parent, when your child does something bad, gets in trouble, or commits an unbelievably heinous act, everything you’ve witnessed that is good in your child before the terrible deed isn’t wiped out by the one bad deed— even murder.

As parents, the memories we carry of our children are complicated and mostly good.

While I believe most of us would teach our children to face the consequences of their actions and, in this case, turn themselves in, no matter how awful the result, we don’t know what Brian told his parents.

We can’t know that because they aren’t saying anything, we can’t even guess. We have no information to go on.

Again, the search last Thursday came up empty in the reserve after Chris Laundrie assisted authorities, Bertolini said in a text message to Telemundo affiliate WRMD of Tampa.

All the updates regarding when Brian was last seen and where Brian was last seen are coming from a) people who have changed their story, b) are the parents of the accused, c) have been stated only via legal counsel.

The Laundrie’s legal counsel is setting the stage for a possible trial. Amoral? Yes. Legal? I think so. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

If you look at Steven Bertolini’s statements, he says the same thing again and again: Brian Laundrie’s parents saw him last on September 13, and they have no idea about his whereabouts. More or less. The lawyer makes some version of this refrain again and again.

“They do not know the whereabouts of their son.”

We have never heard the parents speak. We have never heard their voices. We have never seen their mannerisms when talking about their missing daughter-in-law or when talking about their missing son.

The public has never had the chance to decipher and dissect their body language. Each statement the parents have made has been through their attorney, Steven Bertolini.

Every statement has been in print. You can’t tell anything from print; it’s devoid of emotion. That’s why texting causes so many problems when communicating — it lacks feeling. It has no tone.

As much as I can’t stand these people, they are methodical and serious about keeping their son and themselves out of jail. Usually, people talk. According to Brian’s older sibling, Cassie, they aren’t even talking to her.

On September 22, 2021, the U.S. District Court of Wyoming issued a Federal Arrest warrant for Brian Laundrie

Meaning, after Brian killed Gabby, he took her credit/ATM card and used it for expenses on the drive from The Grand Tetons to North Point, Florida, between August 29 and September 1.

The following statement from their lawyer, Steven Bertolini, tells us that the lawyer knows Brian killed Gabby. Thus, the parents have probably told the lawyer they know their son is guilty.

“It is my understanding that the arrest warrant for Brian Laundrie is related to the activities occurring after the death of Gabby Petito and not related to her actual demise…”

Reminder: this statement was made before the coroner gave the time and manner of death on October 12.

The key word that tips us off is “after.”

Bertolini seems to think this arrest warrant relates to August 29 to September 1 — that period, and according to him, that period is *after* Gabby’s demise. So, apparently, Steven Bartolini thinks Brian Laundrie killed her as well, or he would not have made that slip-up, stating that the dates (August 27 to September 1) were AFTER her demise.

Gabby Petito’s body was not found until September 19.

How on earth does Steven Bertolino or the Laundrie family know when Gabby Petito died?

Before yesterday, no one knew that.

The police hadn’t said anything. The coroner hadn’t said anything. No one knew. Not even her family had confirmation from the coroner regarding time of death before yesterday. The coroner had not said anything publicly about the time of her death.

Before yesterday, for all we knew, Gabby was killed on September 7 or the 15th.

We know she wasn’t killed on the 7th or the 15th because we all think Brian Laundrie ended Gabby’s life before he drove the van home without her, some time between the night of August 27 and August 29. We, the public think she died between August 27 to 29 (Gabby’s was last seen on the 27 and a couple picked up Brian hitchhiking on the 29th), but we think that because we think Brian Laundrie killed her.

And I guess Steven Bertolini does as well.
Here’s Why We Know They Know Laundrie Did It

On September 17, a search warrant was filed through Sarasota County, stating that the last communication, via text message, from “the subject,” referring to GP, was on August 27, 2021.

On September 23, the FBI issued the arrest warrant for: “”Use of Unauthorized Access Devices” related to Mr. Laundrie’s activities following the death of Gabrielle Petito.”

The indictment states: “From on or about August 30, 2021, through and including on or about September 1, 2021, in the District of Wyoming and elsewhere, the Defendant, Brian Christopher Laundrie, knowingly and with intent to defraud, used one or more unauthorized access devices…”

On September 24, SB issued his statement: "It is my understanding that the arrest warrant for Brian Laundrie is related to activities occurring after the death of Gabby Petito and not related to her actual demise.”

SB is simply repeating the information given by the FBI. The search warrant puts last contact with GP on August 27, 2021 and the arrest warrant charges begin on or around August 30, 2021, referring to “following the death of…” IMO, it is very clear from these official documents when the suspected time is death occurred (Aug. 27-Aug. 30). In no way, IMO, does SB’s statement, made after the release of the other official documents, prove that SB or the L family knew the date of Gabby’s death prior to these releases or the autopsy finding reported weeks later.

Links to all documents:

Details revealed about search warrant of Laundrie home

Brian Laundrie arrest warrant cites 'unauthorized' debit card use after Gabby Petito death

Federal arrest warrant issued for Brian Laundrie in Gabby Petito investigation

 

[AdahJo]

He did say it wasn't CL or RL.

notice his words tho on if it were CaL.

Ashleigh asks: "was it Cassie?"
He did not say "no".
imo, he bought time when answering the question and said: "excuse me?" So he could dodge the question.
He said: "Cassie was not in the household at all".

That does not mean that CaL did not make the report.

imo.

Good catch.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I keep checking in the see if the Laundries or SB will finally begin to discuss what happened to Gabby.

Listening to the latest SB interview, he refers to Gabby as “this matter” or “this case”. Presumably “this” is a euphemism for Gabby Petito. He won’t discuss anything related to Gabby, due to attorney-client privilege. He can barely say Gabby’s name. SB has no problem talking about BL, or defending his own actions as an attorney.

So where are we, SB? The night BL was identified, it was too soon to talk about Gabby. “Today’s not the day.” Or yesterday. Or the past 8 weeks.

Are we now at never?

Your client who was a POI in Gabby’s disappearance is dead. It appears your remaining clients are not facing criminal charges.

Who are you protecting?

 

[TL4S]

He did say it wasn't CL or RL.

notice his words tho on if it were CaL.

Ashleigh asks: "was it Cassie?"
He did not say "no".
imo, he bought time when answering the question and said: "excuse me?" So he could dodge the question.
He said: "Cassie was not in the household at all".

That does not mean that CaL did not make the report.

imo.

After SB states Cassie was not in the household at all, he goes on to list the people who were. RL, CL, two representatives from the NPPD, the FBI, and himself via Facetime. My interpretation of this whole thing is that one of the officers present that evening (NPPD or FBI) is the one who started the official missing person report. JMO

 

[Soliloquy]

If CaL is the one who reported BL as a missing person, and that now seems quite possible, it explains why she was ostracized by ChL and RL. I don't know when, if ever, to trust anything that SB says, but things like this erase a lot of the compassion I have had for the Laundrie parents. This case just gets worse with additional information, or at least every time SB opens his mouth.

 

[kittythehare]

I've been pondering BL's departure from his home and attempting to translate SB's utterly confusing narratives into a straightish line, not looking for perfection but that catharsis is absent.
I think he had a fight with his parents and said horrible things and stalked out and if he died by suicide, no idea whether he did or not but it would take a mastermind in criminality to devise a more perfect form of murder that would render the remains incapable of producing any MOD or COD without requiring a highly specialised team.
Maybe he was still angry with them too and died in a place he knew his body would not easily be located. Against that is the fact that they would have located it and did , in fact, locate it on their only trip out. His remains were in the same general direction as the bag they found. IMO.

I can see why my theory won't pan out just from reading it..

 

[Runswithscissorz]

Posted this over a month ago, was not well received lol:
Runswithscissorz

You suppose equipment such as bugs/listening devices?

Sep 20, 2021

and now :

https://mobile.twitter.com/brianentin/status/1451707463833726985:


Brian Entin
@BrianEntin

One of the things I held off on reporting -- but now will because Brian Laundrie is confirmed dead. Police installed hidden cameras around the house -- including this camera in a neighbor's yard behind the house. This particular camera was installed after Brian went missing

 

[FindingJoLee]

He did say it wasn't CL or RL.

notice his words tho on if it were CaL.

Ashleigh asks: "was it Cassie?"
He did not say "no".
imo, he bought time when answering the question and said: "excuse me?" So he could dodge the question.
He said: "Cassie was not in the household at all".

That does not mean that CaL did not make the report.

imo.

His ability for using language in a non standard way and then getting bent out of shape when people read his language in a standard way is pretty epic. See also: grieving, Monday, household, report, etc.

 

[elmomom]

He did say it wasn't CL or RL.

notice his words tho on if it were CaL.

Ashleigh asks: "was it Cassie?"
He did not say "no".
imo, he bought time when answering the question and said: "excuse me?" So he could dodge the question.
He said: "Cassie was not in the household at all".

That does not mean that CaL did not make the report.

imo.

So, I am about 75% convinced it was Cassie based on this. But 25% of me thinks there is another player, perhaps a sibling of ChL who might be concerned with the legalities as well as the welfare of BL. Also not exactly “in the household”.

ETA: also, does anyone have recall of exactly when SB did that horrible interview when he basically threw CaL under the bus? I am thinking if she was the one that forced the missing persons report and that obviously angered SB who it appears had no intention of ever filing one with NPPD, that could explain the throwing under the bus thing. IMO imo all of it

 

[oc1234]

Here is the Banfield (and Brian Entin) interview that folks were discussing last night. Its a link to NewsNationNow's Youtube channel.

 

[gribb0]

After SB states Cassie was not in the household at all, he goes on to list the people who were. RL, CL, two representatives from the NPPD, the FBI, and himself via Facetime. My interpretation of this whole thing is that one of the officers present that evening (NPPD or FBI) is the one who started the official missing person report. JMO

Thats exactly what I was thinking after I listened to it a couple of times - when he says household he just means in their house at the time. SB mudies the waters every time he does an interview! JMO

 

[cady]

If CaL is the one who reported BL as a missing person, and that now seems quite possible, it explains why she was ostracized by ChL and RL. I don't know when, if ever, to trust anything that SB says, but things like this erase a lot of the compassion I have had for the Laundrie parents. This case just gets worse with additional information, or at least every time SB opens his mouth.

I doubt that it was CaL. She wasn't in the house and reportedly wasn't speaking with the parents...jmo Maybe Chris called FBI and FBI notified NPPD?

 

[jjonez]

Watching the bertolino and banfield interview. SB states that the FBI confirmed that the day SB revealed to them that BL did not return home from hike was Thursday ( 9/16, added by me) This is approx 17:50 in video. But then SB says that he said “Brian didn’t come home tonight”. Well which is it?

jmo

 

[PatLaurel]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I just read the FBI Denver report confirming the remains are those of BL and, apparently, they found his remains in two different locations. The T. Mabry Carlton, Jr. Memorial Reserve and Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park. Is that correct?

MOO JMO
Human remains found in Florida are those of Brian Laundrie, FBI says

 

[cottonweaver]

His ability for using language in a non standard way and then getting bent out of shape when people read his language in a standard way is pretty epic. See also: grieving, Monday, household, report, etc.

I understand the huge difference between an official misper report vs telling an LE that a person still hasn't returned home
At a stretch, I can see the plausibility of him using grieving - as Ashley Banfield also accepts it & explains why ( in the link)
Like you, I don't understand the 'household' reference. How can someone who isn't resident in Wabasso be a member of that household?( OK he's clear that he was in NY while this joint meeting was happening so he didnt know which person finally called it in)

Here's AB explaining that here, her post interview analysis where she answers a few viewers questions
https://twitter.com/TVAshleigh/status/1451752793279238144

 

[BUF]

He did say it wasn't CL or RL.

notice his words tho on if it were CaL.

Ashleigh asks: "was it Cassie?"
He did not say "no".
imo, he bought time when answering the question and said: "excuse me?" So he could dodge the question.
He said: "Cassie was not in the household at all".

That does not mean that CaL did not make the report.

imo.

I have a feeling CaL is/will be the key to a lot of information to the FBI. SB realizes this and is/will be avoiding her in any interview questions.

moo

 

[GRT]

Question I still have.



Was Gabby’s body “staged?” This matters to me because I’ve heard a couple of different descriptions—1) that she was just left “lying there” and 2) that she was covered with a blanket and that her boots were right beside her. JMOO, if she was left sprawled out haphazardly, it makes me think BL was still angry when he left her. If she was covered, boots by her, it seems more to me that BL couldn’t bring himself to hide or bury her, but rather, experienced a moment of grief and tenderness and had some sort of a “memorial ceremony” for her.



What did BL tell his parents? MOO, I don’t think he came right out and said he killed her, hence their statement through their attorney that they hoped Gabby was reunited with her family, but I think they suspected. I have to imagine what would cause me—as his parent—not to answer the Petito’s texts. The only thing I can come up with (besides their lawyer’s advice) is that they feared Brian killed her but they hoped it wasn’t true. Maybe they didn’t want to make the Petitos worry she was dead if she wasn’t. That’s all just conjecture, but I hope the L’s explain that at some point. In that situation, I can see the “no news is good news” scenario.



What happened just prior to Brian leaving his parents’ home? I can imagine there were arguments or fights. Brian crying. Dad cursing. Mother crying. Brian’s dad told the lawyer he feared for his son’s life when Brian left, but that he couldn’t make him stay. I don’t think the parents were in cahoots to help him abscond. The fact they hired a lawyer tells me they were committed to taking the legal route. Still, whatever was discussed must have left them hurt and disillusioned for them not to call LE and report Brian as potentially suicidal.

 

[NuttMegg]

I doubt that it was CaL. She wasn't in the house and reportedly wasn't speaking with the parents...jmo Maybe Chris called FBI and FBI notified NPPD?

I think we can't equate. House = household. He was fuzzy about that and seemed to understand what he had said by accident. By listing who was in the house, and calling it "household" he was imo trying to fuzzy up what he had just implied, ie that "household" = family.

Imo

 

[Balthazar]

It's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's solid proof authorities knew he entered and didn't leave. I wonder why it was mentioned here but never discussed, it's seems to be a pretty important piece of this puzzle. JMO

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Brian Entin
@BrianEntin
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North Port Police today talked to me today about the cameras. They say there are other cameras that went up sooner -- before Brian disappeared."

In the video below this comment Brian Entin says that there was a camera hidden in a trash can on the Laundrie's street and it had been in place BEFORE BL disappeared. That camera should have captured BL leaving in the Mustang. Which begs the question, if that camera was in place "before Brian disappeared" and they were live streaming back to NPPD, why didn't NPPD know that BL had left the house and not come back and why were they wasting time chasing ghosts in Tampa? Because we have NPPD claiming they didn't know he was missing until the Friday after he was missing. How did the trash can camera miss a whole car coming out of the subject's parent's driveway? We have SB saying he called the FBI the day he was missing to report that BL was missing and NPPD claiming they didn't know BL was missing until Friday. So...it sounds like the FBI was not communicating with the NPPD and whoever was watching the NPPD livestream was not paying attention. What a mess!