MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #4

[tlcya]

I have a dumb question.

What drug or drugs are laced with fentanyl? And why exactly are they laced with such a potent substance?

Here is a story that crossed my news feed today that offers some insight. basically synthetic fentanyl is super cheap and being smuggled into the country. because it is so cheap dealers will use it to mimic or increase the potency of other popular drugs. Only it is strong, oh oh so strong, and easy to get way too much of it in the product you are trying to sell.

'Outbreak' of opioid overdoses kills 8 people in Austin, Texas

 

[Howl]

Here is a story that crossed my news feed today that offers some insight. basically synthetic fentanyl is super cheap and being smuggled into the country. because it is so cheap dealers will use it to mimic or increase the potency of other popular drugs. Only it is strong, oh oh so strong, and easy to get way too much of it in the product you are trying to sell.

'Outbreak' of opioid overdoses kills 8 people in Austin, Texas

I live in Austin but had not heard about his, but I live about 10 miles from the area where that interview was filmed and haven't been keeping up with local news.
There is a large transient population that hangs out near that area of downtown -- there is a center with support services.
However, it's just a few blocks away from bar district central, with thousands of people partying hearty on Friday and Saturday nights. Hope they can sort out the source before more people OD in the coming days.

 

[tlcya]

I live in Austin but had not heard about his, but I live about 10 miles from the area where that interview was filmed and haven't been keeping up with local news.
There is a large transient population that hangs out near that area of downtown -- there is a center with support services.
However, it's just a few blocks away from bar district central, with thousands of people partying hearty on Friday and Saturday nights. Hope they can sort out the source before more people OD in the coming days.

in that recent Austin incident it appears at least 6 people have been arrested. some were selling cocaine, some marijuana, some crack, all laced w fent. scary times

 

[grannygates]

I have a dumb question.

What drug or drugs are laced with fentanyl? And why exactly are they laced with such a potent substance?

The only drug I haven’t heard of being laced is acid ? It’s definitely most popular in cocaine, heroine, meth and fake oxy and Xanax pills. There’s always a potential that someone will lace weed or magic mushrooms as well. There was an incident at a music festival where someone laced mushrooms and a huge amount of people were overdosing. It’s scary out there !

 

[Artis]

The only drug I haven’t heard of being laced is acid ? It’s definitely most popular in cocaine, heroine, meth and fake oxy and Xanax pills. There’s always a potential that someone will lace weed or magic mushrooms as well. There was an incident at a music festival where someone laced mushrooms and a huge amount of people were overdosing. It’s scary out there !

I can see how powdered drugs get cut with fentanyl (more profit for the sellers) but why would anyone use it with mushrooms or weed? It seems the intent is to kill people.

 

[Artis]

I have a dumb question.

What drug or drugs are laced with fentanyl? And why exactly are they laced with such a potent substance?

Honestly, it seems like it being put in nearly everything that people take to get high. It's very sinister.

 

[Luna20]

The only drug I haven’t heard of being laced is acid ? It’s definitely most popular in cocaine, heroine, meth and fake oxy and Xanax pills. There’s always a potential that someone will lace weed or magic mushrooms as well. There was an incident at a music festival where someone laced mushrooms and a huge amount of people were overdosing. It’s scary out there !

How do they put it in a pill? *Xanax

 

[Tee7077]

I can see how powdered drugs get cut with fentanyl (more profit for the sellers) but why would anyone use it with mushrooms or weed? It seems the intent is to kill people.

other powder drugs aren't really cut with fentanyl, it's cross contamination. It's being weighed on the same scales as cocaine, heroin etc.

 

[Tee7077]

How do they put it in a pill? *Xanax

They purchase pill presses and molds and use their own recipes to make fake pills.

 

[Artis]

other powder drugs aren't really cut with fentanyl, it's cross contamination. It's being weighed on the same scales as cocaine, heroin etc.

Are you sure? Weed and shrooms aside, don't you think that fentanyl, being far cheaper, is used to cut more expensive powders, like heroin? Or how about in those fake prescription meds pills you said they have their own recipes for - would fentanyl be a recipe ingredient?

 

[IceIce9]

Honestly, it seems like it being put in nearly everything that people take to get high. It's very sinister.

This is why fentanyl is being added to drugs:

most recent cases of fentanyl-related overdose are linked to illegally made fentanyl, which is distributed through illegal drug markets for its heroin-like effect. It is often added to other drugs because of its extreme potency, which makes drugs cheaper, more powerful, more addictive, and more dangerous.

Fentanyl Facts

www.cdc.gov

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I still wonder if this was as simple as the fentanyl not being evenly distributed in a bag of some other drug. If the fentanyl had settled to the bottom of the bag, you could take the other drug all night without ill effects and then the final dose would kill you.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Please stick to discussing the facts of this case. The general discussion of drugs, Narcan, Fentanyl, and sharing personal stories are considered off topic and such posts will be removed.

Thanks,
Mad

 

[IceIce9]

I have a dumb question.

What drug or drugs are laced with fentanyl? And why exactly are they laced with such a potent substance?

This article has a good explanation of why the drugs in this case would have contained fentanyl:



Volkow said the main reason drug dealers are pumping more fentanyl into the U.S. is “greed.”

“You make much more money with fentanyl than you do with heroin, at least 50 times more,” she said. “The other aspect about it is that it is relatively easy to synthesize and manufacture. And because it’s so potent, which is the third thing, you can bring a small volume and in the small volume … basically you can extract multiples thousands of doses

Fentanyl pill seizures are skyrocketing, 115 million pills seized in 2023: Study

The number of fentanyl seizures by law enforcement more than quadrupled between 2017 and 2023, with researchers finding the drug has continued entrench itself in the country’s illicit drug supply.…

fox59.com

 

[SteveS]

As for who LE might be looking to charge for murder in this case, the key element in Texas is who knew fentanyl is in the drugs. They go after the manufacturer who put the F in the drugs. I wouldn't be surprised if the laws are similar in other states.

Here's an article on a similar case in Texas. "A Texas law that went into effect Sept. 1 allows individuals who knowingly gave fentanyl to someone who dies from an overdose to be charged with murder." If you follow that embedded link, it notes that there were HUNDREDS of F deaths of this sort in Ft Worth alone.

Fort Worth man charged in connection with fentanyl poisoning death: court records

A 35-year-old man died from fentanyl toxicity in January. Now the man police say provided him the drug has been charged with murder.

www.aol.com

 

[NCWatcher]

As for who LE might be looking to charge for murder in this case, the key element in Texas is who knew fentanyl is in the drugs. They go after the manufacturer who put the F in the drugs. I wouldn't be surprised if the laws are similar in other states.

Here's an article on a similar case in Texas. "A Texas law that went into effect Sept. 1 allows individuals who knowingly gave fentanyl to someone who dies from an overdose to be charged with murder." If you follow that embedded link, it notes that there were HUNDREDS of F deaths of this sort in Ft Worth alone.

Fort Worth man charged in connection with fentanyl poisoning death: court records

A 35-year-old man died from fentanyl toxicity in January. Now the man police say provided him the drug has been charged with murder.

www.aol.com

Thanks for posting that. I don't know what the laws are most places. Your link shows a new law in TX that allows the charge of murder for knowingly giving/selling fentanyl if someone later dies.

I do think all the links posted on WS on threads related to the 3 MO men show when charges were brought for sale/distribution of fentanyl
1) the person was almost always selling the drug
2) the person knew the drug was fentanyl or knew it contained fentanyl
and/or
3) the buyer was specifically seeking fentanyl.

None of the cases posted involved a person unknowingly selling or giving away drugs he/she didn't know contained fentanyl.

I don't know what the law is in MO. But last year a bill failed that would "have made it a felony punishable by three to ten years in prison to knowingly deliver a controlled substance that’s mixed with another controlled substance if it results in “serious physical injury.” If the delivery of the controlled substance results in death, a person could face ten to thirty years or life in prison — a Class A felony, the most severe felony classification in Missouri." (Bold added by me)

https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article282426728.html
MOO

 

[Tee7077]

Are you sure? Weed and shrooms aside, don't you think that fentanyl, being far cheaper, is used to cut more expensive powders, like heroin? Or how about in those fake prescription meds pills you said they have their own recipes for - would fentanyl be a recipe ingredient?

Fentanyl is the main ingredient, so it's not cutting anything

 

[IceIce9]

Fentanyl is the main ingredient, so it's not cutting anything

It only takes an amount of fentanyl the size of 5-7 grains of salt to cause death for an average size adult.

Fentanyl and Opioid Awareness | Riley County Official Website

Resources, tools, and information to help raise awareness about the dangers of illicit drug use.

www.rileycountyks.gov

 

[Tee7077]

It only takes an amount of fentanyl the size of 5-7 grains of salt to cause death for an average size adult.

Fentanyl and Opioid Awareness | Riley County Official Website

Resources, tools, and information to help raise awareness about the dangers of illicit drug use.

www.rileycountyks.gov

I know. I'm not sure what your point is. They use a smaller amount to make those pills. Sometimes more and people die.

 

[berberry08]

Fentanyl test strips and Narcan are readily available in many areas, yet it seems few people use the test strips.

I pass them out around the FTW area like candy.