Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 4 murders, July 2023 #11

[Izzylizzy]

IIUC, Jessica suffered 25 sharp force injuries and they were postmor
tem.
She was already dead, so what was the motivation behind so many sharp force assaults? Rage, anger, hate? If so, against whom? If not, was it unspent excitement? Or, was it more
practical - like his detailed written out plans - blows intended for cutting up her body for transportation and disposal?

BBM:
"Or, was it more
practical - like his detailed written out plans "

When I was listening to a stunned and flabbergasted Joe and Josh read RH's written instructions he wrote to himself all that kept going through my mind was this was RH's foreplay and I mean that as literally as it gets.

 

[Diddian]

BBM:
"Or, was it more
practical - like his detailed written out plans "

When I was listening to a stunned and flabbergasted Joe and Josh read RH's written instructions he wrote to himself all that kept going through my mind was this was RH's foreplay and I mean that as literally as it gets.

I get the sense that RH is very connected to word and plans on paper. It’s not a surprise for an architect and reportedly, this guy has practically committed to memory obscure and differing rules and regulations relevant to buildings built over a long span of years in NYC. So, to me, the attempt to think of everything and to write it all out fits with that aspect of his personality.

What I am having a hard time getting my head around is his relationship to his victims. The sadism - torturing them while they are living with the overlying threat that they will ultimately die - seems like an over-connection - kind of Bundy-like. Like these women are substitutes for someone he feels primal rage toward and he is acting that out on them and gaining satisfaction or relief from their suffering. But, the postmortem sharp force injuries and the kind of experimenting with methodology, seems more Dahmer-like - totally disassociated from the humanity of the victims, like they are as meaningless as words on paper and he is curiously exploring them.

ETA: it may be that RH is very proud of what he has accomplished and that he has escaped notice for so long.

 

[jessr927]

IIUC, Jessica suffered 25 sharp force injuries and they were postmortem.

She was already dead, so what was the motivation behind so many sharp force assaults? Rage, anger, hate? If so, against whom? If not, was it unspent excitement? Or, was it more practical - like his detailed written out plans - blows intended for cutting up her body for transportation and disposal?

I think that was Sandra. PM stab wounds to her face, n***les and left thigh as well as genital area.

 

[fred&edna]

You nailed everything I am feeling right now, Fredna. Thank you for so eloquently saying what I couldn't find the words to say.

You, @justk, and others were on this case before I arrived in 2012. It's been a long, tough journey - wading through so much info, rabbit holes, people, theories, etc (lots of etc) all these years to end up where we are today.
I don't think I've ever said anything "eloquently" in my life My late mother would be proud... she tried. Thank you!

 

[FromGermany1]

'Hit Harder' and 'Small Is Good': Investigators Detail Rex Heuermann's Alleged 'Planning Document' for Murders

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann was indicted on two additional murder charges on Thursday, June 6.

people.com

The "Problems" column shows a bulleted list that includes "hair & fiber," "DNA," "finger prints in gloves" and "blood stains," according to the indictment. Under "Supplies," the list includes "saw / cutting tools," "lie / acid," "burn can" and a police scanner.

 

[fred&edna]

IIUC, Jessica suffered 25 sharp force injuries and they were postmortem.

She was already dead, so what was the motivation behind so many sharp force assaults? Rage, anger, hate? If so, against whom? If not, was it unspent excitement? Or, was it more practical - like his detailed written out plans - blows intended for cutting up her body for transportation and disposal?

I think some were related to his attempt to remove her "Remy's Angel" tattoo. The other wounds were sexual-sadistic.

jmo

 

[Diddian]

I think that was Sandra. PM stab wounds to her face, n***les and left thigh as well as genital area.

If so, I apologize for confusing the two.

 

[Ursamajr]

Reading Rex's notes on "HK 2002-2004" He mentions "Problems" he's had.
Among them is "police stop" and "truck stuck".

I am wondering if LE has looked into Security Guard (presumably in uniform) who claimed that they saw a dark green ford expedition on the side of Ocean Parkway and asked if they needed help. The driver shooed them off and they claimed to leave the scene when the man in the passenger seat gave them a mean look. Claimed this was July of 2003.
It would be of note if this has any merit.

Jessica Taylor was murdered in July 2003.

 

[fred&edna]

I thought I heard a YT-er say something about "writing" on one of the walls removed from RH's kill-dungeon. I don't remember that info from Tierney's PC nor from the document... what are the details on this??

 

[Warwick7]

In 2023 during the first raid on the house they found the basement. Media came out calling it a torture chamber. But, were immediately chastised by others saying "just because there are guns we can't assume a torture room is there"....

When in reality.....it was.

 

[Teche]

Not feeding a bird, but a bird is indeed mentioned. See page 27, in the bullet point under Things To Remember : https://www.scribd.com/document/739...cation-from-June-6-2024#fullscreen&from_embed

Thanks, I was speed reading.

 

[Ursamajr]

In 2023 during the first raid on the house they found the basement. Media came out calling it a torture chamber. But, were immediately chastised by others says "just because there are guns we can't assume a torture room is there"....

When in reality.....it was.

Now I would be shocked if the entire neighborhood doesn't petition to have it torn down.

 

[Teche]

Why does he get so much to eat?

RH’s hair has changed since his other court appearances. I always thought he wore a toupee.

 

[Warwick7]

Now I would be shocked if the entire neighborhood doesn't petition to have it torn down.

Agreed
When done and said, it need to torn down, and burned...

 

[Warwick7]

Going through this, I understand, LE are still going through the electronics.
Which includes:
58 hard drives,
27 computers,
46 cellphones,
16 cameras,
9 WI-FI routers,
17 tablets,
42 USB drives
8 laptops

I don't know whether to cry or burst out in anger!!!!

 

[Just K]

IKWYM. There was always that BDSM-related service that many sex-workers provide. And, there are those who have some kinks and fetishes. However, when we are now faced with the sadistic torture that RH inflicted before, during and after death... it's beyond anything we could have imagined. His planning, his preparations, his hunting, his hideous thrill of torture and death... the truth that's akin to or even beyond hell.

I've felt terrible mentally/emotionally all day but I came to the conclusion he would likely love knowing how his evil actions makes us all feel. I'm sickened by him but I refuse to give his hellish ego another stroke. I don't want him to be satisfied ever again by anything.

ETA: I hope those who truly loved the victims can stay strong.

jmo

Thank you, Fred!

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM:
"Or, was it more
practical - like his detailed written out plans "

When I was listening to a stunned and flabbergasted Joe and Josh read RH's written instructions he wrote to himself all that kept going through my mind was this was RH's foreplay and I mean that as literally as it gets.

Yes, I think writing it all out was part of the scenario for him.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

I get the sense that RH is very connected to word and plans on paper. It’s not a surprise for an architect and reportedly, this guy has practically committed to memory obscure and differing rules and regulations relevant to buildings built over a long span of years in NYC. So, to me, the attempt to think of everything and to write it all out fits with that aspect of his personality.

What I am having a hard time getting my head around is his relationship to his victims. The sadism - torturing them while they are living with the overlying threat that they will ultimately die - seems like an over-connection - kind of Bundy-like. Like these women are substitutes for someone he feels primal rage toward and he is acting that out on them and gaining satisfaction or relief from their suffering. But, the postmortem sharp force injuries and the kind of experimenting with methodology, seems more Dahmer-like - totally disassociated from the humanity of the victims, like they are as meaningless as words on paper and he is curiously exploring them.

ETA: it may be that RH is very proud of what he has accomplished and that he has escaped notice for so long.

Like Bundy, their sadism is a sexual drive. It's for sexual gratification. Their sexual desires become so twisted that they become incapable of being stimulated unless they're subjecting victims to terrible forms of torture, sadism, dismemberment or, in Bundy's case, necrophilia (also Dahmer). It's all about sexual satisfaction, addiction.

JMO, It's not about anger or being treated badly in childhood by their mother or first grade teacher, etc. Its abnormal, dangerous, violent sexual addiction. In some cases, its believed to be linked to some types of brain damage or other abnormality. A test would show if that's the case with Rex.

 

[sunflowermomma]

Going through this, I understand, LE are still going through the electronics.
Which includes:
58 hard drives,
27 computers,
46 cellphones,
16 cameras,
9 WI-FI routers,
17 tablets,
42 USB drives
8 laptops

I don't know whether to cry or burst out in anger!!!!

This is an insane amount of data to go through. If they've already found and released his grotesque planning document, I cannot even begin to imagine what they'll find on so many devices.

 

[Just K]

You, @justk, and others were on this case before I arrived in 2012. It's been a long, tough journey - wading through so much info, rabbit holes, people, theories, etc (lots of etc) all these years to end up where we are today.
I don't think I've ever said anything "eloquently" in my life My late mother would be proud... she tried. Thank you!

I so wish some of the males would come back. It would be interesting to hear how they’ve reacted to these revelations and outcomes. Gilgo and Manorville connected, North Shore connected. The questions surrounding Bitrolf. I’d love to hear from Seaslug, PS149, Inspectogadget, Hawkshaw, LINative, Carbuff and others.

It still concerns me that RH, due to how much he followed media and forums about his murders, was was possibly contributing here- possibly misleading us, even giving details but trying to do so to make us look at other people. I wonder if we’ll ever know.

I have never forgotten how either Carbuff or Seaslug found that older Google image of the green truck pulled to the shoulder in the area where the GB4 were ultimately discovered.

We have tried so hard and been so close. So many saw the Massapequa connection, the motel circuit, and the hunter connections. Imagine if LE had followed DS’s leads. We even knew about DS’s comments of the guy, his size and possible truck- as far back as 2011.