WA WA - Seraya Aung Harmon, 2, Pullman, 29 May 2024 *father and daughter went on a fishing trip in Montana but did not return*

[Knox]

********** POST of the DAY *********
"This entire situation imo is a whirling mass of good intentions mixed with poor choices illegal actions."

@cobalt sky TYVM for your post.

Not aimed directly at any poster, JMO.

 

[GraceG]

After all these developments, I feel the Cadillac into Mexico was a decoy. Or, if real, quickly ditched for a private plane flight.

Feeling strongly that Aung family money bought them some private flights. Small, sometimes neighborhood runways, no need to file a flight plan, no immigration or customs folks checking things out if going from one small runway to another. I seriously wonder/suspect they may have flown into Canada and are laying low there. MOO.

I'm speaking from experience as a former airline pilot and recreational (small aircraft) pilot who uses in the upper Midwest. You can't just fly over the border into Canada and land on a "neighborhood" runway in a private or small chartered plane. As soon as you are across the border you will be tracked on radar and you will likely be detained on landing as you now fit the profile of a drug smuggler. Depending on what the national security situations is - on a bad day you could get a friendly escort of F-16s, escorted to a secure airport and taken into federal custody.

On a good day, entering the country by crossing into its airspace without filing a valid flight plan would constitute a crime of illegal entry. Landing in an out of the way location without a valid customs zone could be construed as trying to avoid registering your presence to the government, declaring imported goods, paying taxes, or a more nefarious purpose.

The requirements (outside of the usual requirements as far as pilot license and aircraft registration documents, Canadian liability insurance, etc) are:

The pilot and ALL passengers must have passports.

A flight plan is required. eAPIS is the electronic system to file notification of an intended flight into Canada. You must submit an eAPIS notification at least one hour prior to departure. (requires an eAPIS account by the aircraft operator, which if they don't have already, can take up to a week to get).

All cross border flights require an annual Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sticker on the aircraft. The sticker should be ordered in advance since it may take several weeks to arrive.

When going into Canada, you must call CANPASS (1-888 CANPASS) and again, you MUST be on a Flight Plan (either IFR or an activated VFR). The first landing MUST be at an Airport of Entry.

This is just an overview and not all-inclusive. The Customs and Border Patrol website has the information.

 

[NCWatcher]

Yes, but perhaps harboring someone in your own personal residence or property that was eluding a warrant or arrest might be?

Maybe harboring a fugitive? IANAL. MOO

Harboring someone in your house that you know is wanted by LE is a far cry from not volunteering knowledge you have to LE. The question I was responding to was "If you know the location of someone who has a warrant, do you have any obligation to tell LE where they are?"

I'm curious, do you think AA, ND, & the child are in his parents' house?
MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm speaking from experience as a former airline pilot and recreational (small aircraft) pilot who uses in the upper Midwest. You can't just fly over the border into Canada and land on a "neighborhood" runway in a private or small chartered plane. As soon as you are across the border you will be tracked on radar and you will likely be detained on landing as you now fit the profile of a drug smuggler. Depending on what the national security situations is - on a bad day you could get a friendly escort of F-16s, escorted to a secure airport and taken into federal custody.

On a good day, entering the country by crossing into its airspace without filing a valid flight plan would constitute a crime of illegal entry. Landing in an out of the way location without a valid customs zone could be construed as trying to avoid registering your presence to the government, declaring imported goods, paying taxes, or a more nefarious purpose.

The requirements (outside of the usual requirements as far as pilot license and aircraft registration documents, Canadian liability insurance, etc) are:

The pilot and ALL passengers must have passports.

A flight plan is required. eAPIS is the electronic system to file notification of an intended flight into Canada. You must submit an eAPIS notification at least one hour prior to departure. (requires an eAPIS account by the aircraft operator, which if they don't have already, can take up to a week to get).

All cross border flights require an annual Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sticker on the aircraft. The sticker should be ordered in advance since it may take several weeks to arrive.

When going into Canada, you must call CANPASS (1-888 CANPASS) and again, you MUST be on a Flight Plan (either IFR or an activated VFR). The first landing MUST be at an Airport of Entry.

This is just an overview and not all-inclusive. The Customs and Border Patrol website has the information.

great info! Thank you!

 

[Inthedetails]

Harboring someone in your house that you know is wanted by LE is a far cry from not volunteering knowledge you have to LE. The question I was responding to was "If you know the location of someone who has a warrant, do you have any obligation to tell LE where they are?"

I'm curious, do you think AA, ND, & the child are in his parents' house?
MOO

Betcha anything the house is being watched.

jmo

 

[NCWatcher]

Betcha anything the house is being watched.

jmo

I would bet so too. Other than a lack of personnel, I can't think of any reason it wouldn't be.

MOO

 

[Seni]

Am guessing that the Aung statement must have rubbed salt into the wounds of hurt and rejection of Nadia's parents who had saved money to treat her to the holiday of a lifetime and had great expectations for her academic future. For the moment, it sounds like they also were totally railroaded by this plan.

 

[vls12345]

I'm speaking from experience as a former airline pilot and recreational (small aircraft) pilot who uses in the upper Midwest. You can't just fly over the border into Canada and land on a "neighborhood" runway in a private or small chartered plane. As soon as you are across the border you will be tracked on radar and you will likely be detained on landing as you now fit the profile of a drug smuggler. Depending on what the national security situations is - on a bad day you could get a friendly escort of F-16s, escorted to a secure airport and taken into federal custody.

On a good day, entering the country by crossing into its airspace without filing a valid flight plan would constitute a crime of illegal entry. Landing in an out of the way location without a valid customs zone could be construed as trying to avoid registering your presence to the government, declaring imported goods, paying taxes, or a more nefarious purpose.

The requirements (outside of the usual requirements as far as pilot license and aircraft registration documents, Canadian liability insurance, etc) are:

The pilot and ALL passengers must have passports.

A flight plan is required. eAPIS is the electronic system to file notification of an intended flight into Canada. You must submit an eAPIS notification at least one hour prior to departure. (requires an eAPIS account by the aircraft operator, which if they don't have already, can take up to a week to get).

All cross border flights require an annual Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sticker on the aircraft. The sticker should be ordered in advance since it may take several weeks to arrive.

When going into Canada, you must call CANPASS (1-888 CANPASS) and again, you MUST be on a Flight Plan (either IFR or an activated VFR). The first landing MUST be at an Airport of Entry.

This is just an overview and not all-inclusive. The Customs and Border Patrol website has the information.

Thanks for the info.

Would they be able to stay within the US and not be registered as flight guests, no flight plan, etc? Perhaps they are laying low in another part of the US?

 

[al66pine]

Not aimed directly at any poster, JMO.

@Knox
Thank you for your edit as seen below,
to my selection for Post of the Day.
It's an improvement.
Not just "poor choices," but "illegal actions."

********** POST of the DAY *********
"This entire situation imo is a whirling mass of good intentions mixed with illegal actions."

 

[Inthedetails]

Am guessing that the Aung statement must have rubbed salt into the wounds of hurt and rejection of Nadia's parents who had saved money to treat her to the holiday of a lifetime and had great expectations for her academic future. For the moment, it sounds like they also were totally railroaded by this plan.

Oh, but the Aung family website says she is loving so she must be!

/s

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

JUN 14, 2024

Manhunt intensifies for missing girl and fiancée: 'Misleading personality'

The search for a missing Washington girl and her father's fiancée continues into its third week, as agencies continue the international manhunt.

www.newsweek.com

Seraya's grandmother, Shawna Harmon, has also been posting to Facebook and is who called Child Protective Services shortly after her granddaughter went missing.

"We got the call that Seraya had gone missing at around 6:30 Sunday June 3rd," Shawna posted to Facebook. "Samara called from the police station. She was screaming, she was crying, we couldn't understand what she was saying. It took probably 3 full minutes for her to be able to make her words understandable. Then we were screaming and crying and panicking too."

 

[vls12345]

Yeah, some interesting thoughts. I don’t know at what point LE would be able to get a warrant for Nadia’s phone records if she’s not considered to be in danger. And I know Apple has historically refused access to a password protected phone in many cases.

Maybe it would change if LE decides to charge her with custodial interference too? Or if her parents know her password can they open her phone for LE?

If NC had a burner phone at the airport, can LE get a geofence warrant to try and figure out which number she may have been using? Could she and AA have pre-planned doing that as there would likely be a huge number of cellphones in an airport, making it harder to determine which one would be her burner phone?

Not sure of all the laws and capabilities of geofencing so that's why I am asking.

MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

I would bet so too. Other than a lack of personnel, I can't think of any reason it wouldn't be.

MOO

The Aung family deliberately took the law in their own hands, leaving the communities involved to pay the bill to enforce the laws they broke.
But they are loving people, according to themselves.
jmo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Harboring someone in your house that you know is wanted by LE is a far cry from not volunteering knowledge you have to LE. The question I was responding to was "If you know the location of someone who has a warrant, do you have any obligation to tell LE where they are?"

I'm curious, do you think AA, ND, & the child are in his parents' house?
MOO

Yes I understand…… sorry for the intrusion. It was not intended as such…… was just offering support for the original position given. And adding the additional point where someone could run afoul of the law.

To answer the ‘curious question’ posed in the second paragraph - unfortunately I have no idea. But I do hope that they are holed up there - or they are in some other ‘A’ family property or related. And found quickly before more expense or harm arises. And that all incur some serious legal charges and costs. That is if the two ‘“caring” young adults’ and the infant they absconded with are still alive and unhurt. MOO

 

[GraceG]

Thanks for the info.

Would they be able to stay within the US and not be registered as flight guests, no flight plan, etc? Perhaps they are laying low in another part of the US?

Within the U.S. if it's a private plane, there's not requirement for a flight plan unless one is flying on instrument flight rules (required in certain weather situations or above 18,000 feet). A chartered airplane (can be a small single engine airplane but since they are "holding out to the public" by being paid to fly someone, they must operate under 14 CFR Part 135 and have a Part 135 Air Carrier Certificate) usually requires their pilots to file a flight plan as part of their own procedures, but the regulations don't. outside of the scenarios above. Most charters also have security program in place (those flying bigger planes HAVE to have one), and normally require the passengers to have Official ID (any form) to ensure that the correct person is traveling on the correct aircraft, that info taken by the crew and put on the flight manifest (which is retained by the operator but not filed anywhere). For children, the few times I flew a charter with one, both parents were on board and they brought a copy of the birth cert.

I will add that flying, even in really small private planes is very expensive (it's $188 an HOUR just to rent a 4 seat Cessna 172 with no pilot here locally) so a flight of any distance would be in the thousands.

 

[whitelilac]

^ the same would apply to helicopters I expect.
And I guess flying under the radar is not very doable these days, given heightened security etc.

 

[Megnut]

I will just preface this by saying this is all my opinion. I find it terribly sad that some are defending what this "man" and his GF have done. According to the family and supporters, if you have been the victim of SA you can't be a parent, if you have ever smoked weed you can't be a parent, if you have taken medication and sought therapy you can't be a parent. If their allegations were true, the only course of action that falls under good intentions would have been to report it and trust the law. No proof has been shown that they ever did that. What there is proof of, is that an innocent little girl has been kidnapped, her world upended, and put in what is truly imminent danger. When the law catches up with them, and they will, how is someone who appears to be incredibly immature and rash going to react? I doubt the first thought will be about the poor child. And the GF? Well she choose the most cruel and heartless way to go missing she could find. She could have just left a note and been gone. But no, she choose to waste(I don't even want to imagine how much the trip cost)a lot of her parents money, and then go on to create panic and terror and then sorrow on her poor parents. Is this something a caring person would do to their own family? And now you want to trust her with a tiny child that isn't even family?

And....

MOO. If Aaron is taken into custody, Nadia has no legal connection to the child. Child will be taken into CPS custody or an equivalent, whichever country.

They don't get to make the rules. Declare superiority and do as they please, the law be damned.

Samara has every right to be terrified. Aaron robbed her of the right to custody, to decision-making about the care of her child. She doesn't even know where her daughter is, and what Aaron is doing is both illegal and reckless.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Pretty sure with all the problems Washington does have, cocaine is still illegal.

Is there any evidence the mother is doing cocaine? Was that in her text or was it in the outlandish narrative by the in-law conspiracy theorists? JMO

 

[Megnut]

If NC had a burner phone at the airport, can LE get a geofence warrant to try and figure out which number she may have been using? Could she and AA have pre-planned doing that as there would likely be a huge number of cellphones in an airport, making it harder to determine which one would be her burner phone?

Not sure of all the laws and capabilities of geofencing so that's why I am asking.

MOO.

I am going to assume Nadia had a second phone....

Nothing of value on the phone she left behind. I wonder if she left her parents a farewell letter in her abandoned suitcase. I hope they've unpacked it.

I'm not sure the FBI can do much with investigating Nadia. So far, she's just an adult doing as she pleases and she's free to. However, perhaps LE has made a case for exigency, as there's a missing child that LE believes she's in company of....

Geo-fence at an airport though? Nightmare! Perhaps at a less populated secondary location but still how would they ever isolate her phone over others? Much transient traffic...

I hope they have found a way to trace these two and can bring the child home without incidence. Yesterday.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I’m quoting my own post for reference because I’m seeing responses to it that seem to be misunderstanding me or putting words in my mouth.

I am not defending what they did, I am considering circumstances and mindsets that might have prompted them to act impulsively and make poor choices BUT be doing so in what they believe is in the child’s best interest. Why is that so difficult to understand?

I understand it. I just disagree that it has any relevance to the case. This is a criminal case. They didn't just forget their lunch money. They kidnapped a child.

It doesn’t necessarily make them terrible people!

It actually does make them terrible people in my book.

We still don’t know the whole real story and therefore I’m keeping an open mind. Light your torches and sharpen your pitchforks that’s fine, but I’m not doing that.

The worst part of all is that none of this is any of our business but here we are.

It is positively our business. Once a crime is committed, it's a crime against the public, not just the individual impacted. That's why when someone rapes or murders someone, it isn't up to the victim or family to press charges. It's automatic. Charges can be dropped if the victim refuses to cooperate, but the state still presses charges because it's a crime against the state/public. This became our business when they chose to break the law. It further became our business when the family chose to release such an inflammatory statement publicly. We're in it now.

MOO.