Forest_Wood
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I'm pretty certain JR did his homework!
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Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #13
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Forest_Wood
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“There’s zero evidence to substantiate that,” Mitev told reporters. “What you’ve heard from an attorney representing someone that’s in no way shape or form linked in reality with alleged acts was reckless and defamatory. We don’t typically respond to frivolous sideshows, but we had to because the reputation and the character of these two young children who I represent is unimpeachable. This man is cosplaying as an attorney.”JR's ex-law partner Vess Mitev's response:
"We don’t typically respond to frivolous sideshows, but we had to because the reputation and the character of these two young children who I represent is unimpeachable. This man is cosplaying as an attorney.”
Attorney John Ray Blasted for Claims About Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann’s Daughter
Attorneys for the family of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann blasted John Ray, the attorney who has represented families of Gilgo Beach serial killer victims, for implying the suspect’s daughter may have been involved.www.longislandpress.com
Mitev also indicated that Ray could be sued for defamation, although added “We don’t believe he has sufficient assets to cover any verdict that we would assuredly obtain for defamation.”
Mitev also called the two adults "these two young children" Really????? Talk about misinformation!
How convenient they don't believe he has sufficient assets to cover a verdict.
This guy is unbelievable IMO.
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Speak for yourself please.
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Well, he did say that, but nonetheless John Ray drew some inferences for us....and a lot of people don't like them.
Nobody has to like his inferences.
There is no reason to believe any facts or information are wrong.
John Ray has not been wrong with facts and inform my knowledge.
Rodney Harrison partnered with John Ray as he made the extremely effective task force, identified a suspect, surveilled him and arrested him with 3 murder charges all in a few short months. The bodies had been found a decade earlier.
There are people who want to learn all about LISK and the dynamics behind letting the case go cold. Those people welcome information. Those people recognize the value of John Ray.
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John Ray theorized that someone had drilled a neat hole through Shannan Gilbert's thyoid. He claimed that "they don't even know" what caused the hole, even though the ME report clearly stated that it may have been caused by a cyst. The ME who Ray hired to carry out an independent review did not dispute this. In fact, he didn't even mention the hole at all.
Two ME's saw nothing suspicious about the hole, yet John ran with the drill theory.
VH 27 and CS 33
The only homework he did was scouring Tumblr for images with any resemblance to the Gilgo Beach murders. The connection between VH and the images he showed does not exist.
Imagine you used a site like Twitter up 'till 2020 but quit or lost your password. In 2024 I'm looking for dirt on you for whatever reason, I find out that someone in your follow list since 2018 because you liked one of their posts of a cartoon ended up posting an gory horror image in 2023. Is it reasonable for me to say that you sought out and looked at that gory horror image even though you hadn't logged into the site since 2020?
"If the accused serial killer has a spouse, people often wonder if they were aware of their partner's alleged illegal activities, according to Isaacs.Johnnie W. Mask and Gregory P. Isaacs spoke to Newsweek about what it was like to defend an accused serial killer and gave their perspectives on alleged Gilgo killer Rex Heuermann's case.
"It was basically seven, eight years out of my life and practice, but it was not a bad experience," Mask said.
Mask represented Charles Cullen, who admitted to murdering 40 people in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and some believe he could have hundreds of victims. Through his job as a nurse, Cullen gave patients a fatal dose of medication in their IVs.
He pleaded guilty to killing 13 patients and to attempting to kill two others in New Jersey in April 2004. He pleaded guilty to murdering three more the following month. In November 2004, he pleaded guilty to murdering six patients and trying to kill three others in Pennsylvania. He is currently serving 18 consecutive life sentences at New Jersey State Prison in Trenton.
Isaacs represented Thomas Huskey, who was accused of murdering four women in Tennessee in 1992, during two trials. Both resulted in a hung jury for the murder charges and the case was ultimately dismissed. Prior to the murder trial, Huskey was convicted on several rape charges and sentenced to 64 years in prison.
"The dynamic that I had with four capital homicides, it's a tremendous amount of work because if they're being tried together, which in my case they were, you're basically doing four capital cases at the same time," Isaac said
"I have done and do a lot of high-profile cases, but when you have the specter of a serial killer, this may sound cliche, but it almost adds a chill to the courtroom," Isaacs said. "So it's a very different dynamic and electricity that until you've been there, literally it's hard to describe."
"There's the media frenzy. The public, for whatever reason, good or bad, appears to be captivated by the fact that there was a serial killer in their community," Isaacs said.
"I think it gets attention because of the rarity of the situation," Mask said. "There's not that many serial killers around, and people are curious about what would make a person commit these crimes and they want to see what's going on in the heads of individuals that [do] these things."
The defense in Huskey's case included dissociative identity disorder, which Isaacs said increased public interest in the proceedings.
Rex Heuermann, the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer, made a list of notes. The evidence was found in March. Court documents
Defending the Devil: Serial Killer Lawyers Speak Out on Gilgo Beach Murders
Defense attorneys shared what it's like to represent an accused serial killer and reacted to Rex Heuermann's casewww.newsweek.com
"If you're the spouse, obviously you don't want to be an accessory after the fact," Isaacs said. "If you did know, you would have placed yourself in significant legal peril and legal jeopardy. I think that adds to what's going to be racing through this jury's mind as they hear about this double life."
Mask shared some skepticism about the wife's knowledge of Heuermann's alleged crimes.
"She lived in the house and supposedly, he did all of these things in the house when she was out of town. I don't know what out of town means, but it's tough to live with a partner and not observe changes in the house when you come back. You can just sort of sense," Mask said.
Mask explained that prosecutors could use Ellerup to get Heuermann to confess to the crimes he's accused of.
"They might, somewhere down the road, threaten to put charges on her to try to put pressure on Rex to admit to these things and plead guilty," Mask said.
Earlier this week, an attorney for potential victims of Heuermann, John Ray, alleged his daughter Victoria Heuermann made and viewed "sadistic" artwork mirroring the crimes her father is accused of.'
Defending the Devil: Serial Killer Lawyers Speak Out on Gilgo Beach Murders
Defense attorneys shared what it's like to represent an accused serial killer and reacted to Rex Heuermann's case
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"If the accused serial killer has a spouse, people often wonder if they were aware of their partner's alleged illegal activities, according to Isaacs.
"If you're the spouse, obviously you don't want to be an accessory after the fact," Isaacs said. "If you did know, you would have placed yourself in significant legal peril and legal jeopardy. I think that adds to what's going to be racing through this jury's mind as they hear about this double life."
Mask shared some skepticism about the wife's knowledge of Heuermann's alleged crimes.
"She lived in the house and supposedly, he did all of these things in the house when she was out of town. I don't know what out of town means, but it's tough to live with a partner and not observe changes in the house when you come back. You can just sort of sense," Mask said.
Mask explained that prosecutors could use Ellerup to get Heuermann to confess to the crimes he's accused of.
"They might, somewhere down the road, threaten to put charges on her to try to put pressure on Rex to admit to these things and plead guilty," Mask said.
Earlier this week, an attorney for potential victims of Heuermann, John Ray, alleged his daughter Victoria Heuermann made and viewed "sadistic" artwork mirroring the crimes her father is accused of.'
Defending the Devil: Serial Killer Lawyers Speak Out on Gilgo Beach Murders
Defense attorneys shared what it's like to represent an accused serial killer and reacted to Rex Heuermann's case
Mask made comments without reading up on the facts? It is very clear what out of town means. It is also very clear that the murders occured in the basement and that he had detailed checklists for the cleanup. Talking heads need to do their research.
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Just wanted to observe that some posters in this thread might have family members and children with bipolar and other mental health conditions or ailments. MOO
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He had been tasked to find Gilbert, but that he ventured 4-6 miles west when he couldn't find anything. He had previously read an FBI report that said most murder victims are dumped close to the road.
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Thanks! So he just branched out from the LIE. I don't remember hearing he read an FBI report. Very interesting.
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Over the summer, the officer and Blue searched the gated beach community where she was last seen, but came up with nothing.
On Dec. 11, he returned, this time venturing west. He said he stuck close to the shoulder of the parkway, because the vegetation was so thick and because data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation showed that when bodies were dumped, most were disposed of about 30 feet from the road. That afternoon, shortly before 3 p.m., Blue picked up a scent on the parkway.
Officer and His Dog Play Key Role in Hunt for Remains (Published 2011)
Five of 10 sets of human remains on the South Shore of Long Island were found by John Mallia, a veteran of the Suffolk County police, and his partner, Blue, a German shepherd.
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A link! Thank you!
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Initially
Rex almost certainly kept abreast of developments. When he read that Gilbert's disappearance and Malia's decision to walk along that roadway had led to the discovery of his main dump site, he probably cursed his luck.
Initially, he thought that he had found Gilbert. But then the police search team showed up and found three more remains.
Rex almost certainly kept abreast of developments. When he read that Gilbert's disappearance and Malia's decision to walk along that roadway had led to the discovery of his main dump site, he probably cursed his luck.
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They married April 13, 1996. It's posted in thread #1 of this thread in a deposition
Thank you so very much.
Then they were married before April 20 1996 when the partial remains of Jane Doe #7" now known as Karen Vergata were found.
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