TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024

I believe the charges will come. I also believe she initially went with them willingly because they said something to make her feel safe like “ let’s get you home safe”. I think by the time she became terrified, it was too late. She trusted them enough not to create a scene at the store and to walk away with them. That is not her fault. It is theirs. In my opinion, the bite and scratch marks are solid evidence, but am assuming creepo explained those away somehow. I don’t think her being bound is irrelevant. ( my opinion only). Kidnapping is specific. Strangulation may not constitute a kidnapping charge in the eyes of the law. Once again. Strictly my opinion. However, I have faith in the evidence. These two men need to pay the ultimate price for their evil acts.
I don't have the link, so JMO.
I read earlier that an employee from Seven-Eleven saw her hiding behind the 'storage unit' or some external building when he left work. He recognized her as a regular customer.
Does anyone have a timeline link? I'm sure it was near midnight when he saw her hiding.

ETA: I found it, it was actually you @Yuletide who said you had read it on Houston local news
TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024
He saw her hiding at 11:30pm, when he was leaving. She entered the store , left alone then returned later with the two males at 12:58am , then left with them.

So who was she hiding from at 11:30pm?
 
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" 'Murderer!’

Jocelyn Nungaray’s family

lashes out

during second accused killer’s first court appearance.


His defense attorneys meanwhile claimed Martinez-Rangel does not have a previous criminal history
and has two children, ages 5 and 2,

WHO CARES if he has children or if he has previous criminal history?

Being a father does nothing to mitigate a rape and murder of a child. IMO

And a 'clean' criminal history means nothing if you then commit a brutal and violent murder. IMO
but it’s unclear if they live in Houston or in Venezuela.
Again, who cares.
However,
he does have family here and was requesting to have his bond lowered.

Disgusting to worry about his family now---how about thinking of them before kidnapping a child?
:oops:

A judge gave him a $10 million bond.

As Martinez-Rangel was escorted out of court,
one of Jocelyn’s family members shouted
'Murderer'
and
'I hope they kill your children'
in Spanish.
......


During a press conference Monday,
Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said the current charges they face
do not make them eligible for the death penalty.

'Our laws treat the age of victims differently,
and they’ve changed where they draw the line',
she explained.

'[It] used to be children under six.
If they were murdered,
that created an underlying offense that would support death penalty and capital murder.

That law was expanded to 10 years old and under,
and then further expanded from 10 to 15.

If the victim was 10 to 15 years old,
yet the death penalty was taken off the table by the legislature,
and instead they suggested that life without parole would be the appropriate charge.

But age is not the only consideration in this case or any case,
the underlying actions of the criminals.

This victim was found,
you know, bound and without clothing from the waist down in the water.
And we just think that there’s a good possibility.

We hope that there’s evidence that remains to be tested'."

 
I know JN’s family is in immense pain but shouting “I hope they kill your children” to the accused is horrible.
True, but I can imagine how angry I'd be, if I heard the guy that raped/killed MY child then asking the judge for lower bond 'because I have family here.' :mad:

I'd be like REALLY? You want mercy because you are a father and I just buried MY child because of you?

It is horrible they shouted that out but I do understand the outrage. Being given 'a break' because he has children is maddening, imo.
 
Only one of them strangled her. That's the one who should get the DP, in my opinion. The one who didn't needs to speak up. IMO
But we don't know for sure---because she was reportedly under the bridge with them for TWO hours. So it can't be as easy as one guy killed her and the other did not. Two hours is a long time for the 'innocent' guy to be there hanging around.

Sounds to me like they took turns before she was ultimately strangled. IF SO, they both deserve the DP, IMO.
 
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I don't have the link, so JMO.
I read earlier that an employee from Seven-Eleven saw her hiding behind the 'storage unit' or some external building when he left work. He recognized her as a regular customer.
Does anyone have a timeline link? I'm sure it was near midnight when he saw her hiding.

ETA: I found it, it was actually you @Yuletide who said you had read it on Houston local news
TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024
He saw her hiding at 11:30pm, when he was leaving. She entered the store , left alone then returned later with the two males at 12:58am , then left with them.

So who was she hiding from at 11:30pm?
It is possible she was standing behind the dumpster talking on the phone with her boyfriend. The employee recognized her as a frequent customer and didn’t think anything about it.
 
True, but I can imagine how angry I'd be, if I heard the guy that raped/killed MY child then asking the judge for lower bond 'because I have family here.' :mad:

I'd be like REALLY? You want mercy because you are a father and I just buried MY child because of you?

It is horrible they shouted that out but I do understand the outrage. Being given 'a break' because he has children is maddening, imo.
Indeed. The local family he speaks of isn’t his children. I believe it was reported they don’t live in the US. My hope is that these two evil beings retain solid legal counsel and plead guilty. I would like to see the distraught family spared the graphic testimony of a trial and the other legal gymnastics that tend to be incredibly painful to a grieving family. If it does go to trial, I wish the family strength to let these “men” have their day in court.
 
I don't have the link, so JMO.
I read earlier that an employee from Seven-Eleven saw her hiding behind the 'storage unit' or some external building when he left work. He recognized her as a regular customer.
Does anyone have a timeline link? I'm sure it was near midnight when he saw her hiding.

ETA: I found it, it was actually you @Yuletide who said you had read it on Houston local news
TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024
He saw her hiding at 11:30pm, when he was leaving. She entered the store , left alone then returned later with the two males at 12:58am , then left with them.

So who was she hiding from at 11:30pm?
Here is the link
 

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Whatever went down, I have no doubt it will boil down to what it always does - low quality ne'er do wells always kill to silence someone. Either she was going to report an assault or she found out something they didn't want getting out. I don't think the meeting was random - there's going to be a digital trail.
 
Whatever went down, I have no doubt it will boil down to what it always does - low quality ne'er do wells always kill to silence someone. Either she was going to report an assault or she found out something they didn't want getting out. I don't think the meeting was random - there's going to be a digital trail.
It is your opinion that she intended to meet them at the 7-11?
 

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