Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

JMO but do young people at raves travel with gaudy blankets in case it gets a bit nippy late at night?

Sounds like something your nan might do, how would that play out? Yes, I'll come to yours to after party/deal in stolen watches/other nighttime activities but could we swing by and pick me up a blanket for the journey

In my experience people go to raves with as few things as possible about their person. It's hot, sweaty, and chaotic. Sometimes there's a coat / bag check if it's a well organised place. Sometimes they provide blankets and such for when people are sitting outside and it's chilly. It wouldn't be usual to remove a blanket or cover from the premises but that could happen - that would be theft. It's probably not easy to steal a huge orange blanket though. Bring it with you to the place? LOL no absolutely not. A jacket and some trackie bottoms maybe, that's what people used to do leastways - they'd be leaving places in the early hours pulling jog pants and hoodies on.

 

[su5ie]

I was once made the distraction in a shop theft - two men tripped me up in such an OTT way that I responded and got mad. They threatened me in an OTT way so lots of noise and arms flailing. Meanwhile I see their mate stealing stuff off the nearby shelf and signalling to one of the men who tripped me up. So yes it would be easy to do similar and undo a watch. JMO

I had wondered if the fall jay had in the nightclub was the distraction and the two Airbnb guys told jay they would give him his cut of the deal at their Airbnb I will find pic of fall for reference and post

 

[Inthedetails]

May have missed it, who did the watch belong to? Has that person come forward?

TIA

no

 

[bringmeacupoft]

As I understood:

He COULDN'T return
because
he was ALREADY LOST.

Didn't he tell Lucy
"I don't know where I am"???
Or something like that?

In MWT he goes on to say ‘we have information that suggest Jay left the rental feeling scared……’

So I think it’s both, he couldn’t go back because he was scared of going back & because he had become lost.

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[su5ie]

I had wondered if the fall jay had in the nightclub was the distraction and the two Airbnb guys told jay they would give him his cut of the deal at their Airbnb I will find pic of fall for reference and post

 

[Dotta]

In MWT he goes on to say ‘we have information that suggest Jay left the rental feeling scared……’

So I think it’s both, he couldn’t go back because he was scared of going back & because he had become lost.

He didn't sound/look scared
while talking to Brad and the local woman.

He left because he wanted to.
(For whatever reason)

But not ran away.

JMO

 

[raccy2310]

JMO but do young people at raves travel with gaudy blankets in case it gets a bit nippy late at night?

Sounds like something your nan might do, how would that play out? Yes, I'll come to yours to after party/deal in stolen watches/other nighttime activities but could we swing by and pick me up a blanket for the journey

Kids these days refuse to even wear a coat to school when it's raining. I doubt he'd have been carrying around a blanket.

 

[Curiousraccoon]

He didn't sound/look scared
while talking to Brad and the local woman.

He left because he wanted to.
(For whatever reason)

But not ran away.

JMO

She did say he was walking very fast

 

[Dotta]

She did say he was walking very fast

As the young do

At 19 I was "flying",
never walking in sedately manner haha

Walking with my parents was torture.
They were moving soooo slowly.
Like turtles

 

[Sara11272]

She did say he was walking very fast

And I’m still not sure we can take Brad/Lucy’s conversations with Jay as gospel/verbatim.

 

[Kor_Phaeron]

And I’m still not sure we can take Brad/Lucy’s conversations with Jay as gospel/verbatim.

That was an observation from Ofelia.

There's a good chance that he wasn't afraid when he left the AirBnB as the adrenaline would still be flowing. By the time he made it some way up the road, the adrenaline would have worn off. This would explain why he sounded upbeat with Brad, but distressed a while later with Lucy.

 

[Janejessy]

Hey! Have any of you seen this?

 

[Sara11272]

That was an observation from Ofelia.

There's a good chance that he wasn't afraid when he left the AirBnB as the adrenaline would still be flowing. By the time he made it some way up the road, the adrenaline would have worn off. This would explain why he sounded upbeat with Brad, but distressed a while later with Lucy.

Yes, sorry, I was replying to the point about the conversation with Brad. I’m not sure we can take that at face value - but if we do believe what he said about Jay’s state of mind, yes absolutely, it could have changed between the two calls, either adrenaline wearing off as you say, realising he was in a more precarious position location-wise, seen someone catching up with him etc. JMO.

 

[QB2022]

So it sounds like he got himself into a mess and paid the ultimate price for it. How tragic all round

 

[Kor_Phaeron]

Just a thought. If Jay had boasted about stealing a watch and traveling to the AirBnB with these two men, would Lucy/Brad have made Jay's Mother aware of the situation before he was reported missing? I assume if he posted it to Snapchat, all his friends would have seen it - it can't have taken long to get back to her either way.
If she knew about the watch and the two men before his disappearance was reported/MSM was informed, it would help explain her initial statement about 'letting her son go'.
If so, why didn't she relay this information to the authorities earlier? JMO

 

[Imnothere]

My theory

He stole the watch and went back to the Airbnb with the 2 men because he was cool with them and they were leaving the area at the same time.

Whoever he stole the watch from gets word that Jay is with these 2 men in the Airbnb, and reaches out to the men. They admit that he's currently at their place or just left, because they have no desire to lie or cover-up for a friend of a friend / someone they just met and create an unnecessary beef. Out of kindness, they let Jay know that these people are coming for him and he should leave. Jay panics when he realises that there's no bus so in order to not be found, has to go off-road. They either don't find him or find him and stab him.

Lucy jumps into action straight away because she knows that people are after him and the situation is dire.

 

[su5ie]

Yes, sorry, I was replying to the point about the conversation with Brad. I’m not sure we can take that at face value - but if we do believe what he said about Jay’s state of mind, yes absolutely, it could have changed between the two calls, either adrenaline wearing off as you say, realising he was in a more precarious position location-wise, seen someone catching up with him etc. JMO.

Brad mentioned when jay was on the phone he said he had to go and jay said he would ring him back but never did Brad speculates that jay may have been receiving another call but now I'm wondering did jay notice the guys from Airbnb chasing him Brad also said he heard /seen jay slipping downward on gravel type sounding ground so I'm wondering was the road viewable from where jay was and he could see the white car and the sound that Brad heard was not jay slipping on gravel but a car coming to a halting stop and the sound of car tyres on the road above I know at the start 2 weeks ago people online were speculating on the movements of a white car in the area how much truth to that speculation is anyone's guess but from what has started as rumour online about missing watch etc I'm starting to question as to whether or not these Airbnb guys caught up with him in a car I would need to know the timing of the calls between Brad and Lucy to know if Jay's change in mood came from buzzing with Brad after him getting away and his lost ,scared mood with Lucy from being chased in between thinking he had lost there tail and while not knowing the route he took rang Lucy to say he was lost and thirsty from running without direction main stream media and Lucy and Brad are not telling conversation word for word so leaves a guessing game I suppose

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Policing expert Graham Wettone, who was in the Metropolitan Police for 30 years, said he has been pouring over the evidence in the hunt for the missing 19-year-old. He believes there were too many “inconsistencies” in the mystery of his disappearance and called for detectives to look more closely at the days before he vanished

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jay-slater-tenerife-missing-family--b2573069.html

 

[markoid]

A theory or two (JMO of course). Based on MW-T video, and in contrast to my earlier scepticism about him being in the mountains at all:

Jay steals a watch from person unknown, either put up to it by the two AieBnB men, or because he knows/believes they will buy it from him once he’s done it.

He goes back to the AirBnB where they’ve told him they have the money for it.

The transaction goes wrong somehow: maybe they refuse to pay him and threaten him, maybe he tries to take both the watch and the money.

(This must be after the cigarette/steps pic, presumably.)

Jay leaves in a hurry, corroborated by the (now 3 according to MWT) witnesses in Masca.

He gets lost, in the area MWT claims to have pinpointed on the map, rings/facetimes (I’m still not 109% which) Brad, rings Lucy, has some misadventure or is caught up with by the AirBnb men. Bad result ensues whichever.

Not sure about this, but...it might explain why he went off-road...rather than stick to the road.