Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

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JosieJo said:
So we have to believe

A) he got caught up in stealing a watch
B) The person he "happened" to steal a watch from was in a "crime gang" himself?
C) Said person managed to find out within 2 hours who stole it and that they were an hour a way in a very unlikely location?

Lot of unlikely possibilities imo
Not impossible...but occams razor is still telling me he likely died in the terrain...at the moment anyway
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It's highly probable that a guy walking around thar area of Tenerife wearing a genuine Rolex is involved in some capacity with organised crime. The fact that the theft wasn't reported to the Police would support that. The watch could have been legitimately owned by the individual it was stolen from, but generally members of organised crime fraternities don't go to the Police when they've become the victim of a crime. They deal with it internally.
One of the two occupants of the AirBnB (who can't be named here due to forum rules, but has been named in MSM) has a criminal background, and if his Social Media history is anything to go by, is a bit of an arrogant loudmouth who fancies himself as a 'real gangster.
I suspect that the two AirBnB occupants were the ones orchestrating the watch theft. Bear in mind that Jay is only 19, suggestible (JMO but his pre-tenerife history paints him as a follower rather than a leader) and likely starstruck by the criminal backgrounds of these two men. It wouldn't take much to convince him to play a minor role in a watch theft, especially after a few drinks and the promise of a cut of the profits.

Watch gets stolen, and the two men hightail it along with Jay to their AirBnB.
Along the way, buzzing from the heist, Jay sends a Snapchat boasting about how they just robbed some foreign bloke of a £12K Rolex.
Back at the AirBnB, talk of the Rolex continues on Snapchat. Still drunk and buzzing from the theft, Jay mentions that the two men have passed out and that he could literally walk out the door with the Rolex and keep it for himself.
Somebody on his Snapchat thinks that's a great idea and dares him to do it.
Jay pockets the watch, leaves the AirBnB and meets Ofelia who tells him he'll need to wait for the next bus.
That's no good to Jay, who needs to be gone before the two men wake up and notice the Rolex (and Jay) are gone.
Jay figures he needs to get away from the Villa sharpish and decides that if they went looking for him, they'd head south back towards the Beach to his Hotel.
Jay decides heading North is the safest bet until he loses the heat.
Two guys wake up. No Jay. No watch.
They head outside and meet Ofelia who tells them that Jay went north.
They get in the car and head up into the hills to catch him.
Jay is on the phone to Brad, possibly buzzing about the fact that he actually stole the watch, at which point he sees the hire car making its way up the hill. Bollocks. Time to hide.
Tells Brad he needs to go and hangs up before moving off road into the brush.
After a few minutes of moving around staying well away from the road, the adrenaline wears off and he realises he doesn't know where he is.

Starting to panic about the fact that he's lost, dehydrated and being chased by two guys that (to him, at least) resemble Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger, he calls Lucy (who knows the island best) to ask for help.
He tells Lucy about what he's done with the watch. Lucy, who knows these guys as 'associates' immediately panics over what Jay has got himself into and after likely telling him to 'drop a pin before your battery runs out and stay there', gets off the phone and immediately calls the police to report him lost, hoping that they can get to him before Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger can.

The next part is anyone's guess. Tony and Whitey either catch up to Jay, or Jay gets further into the brush and ends up succumbing to shock/dehydration/heat.

After alerting the Police, Lucy gets in contact with Jay's social circle to find out what everyone knows, and advises Jay's mum of the situation - including the watch theft - prompting Jay's mum to assume that the two men have captured her son and pleading for him to be let go.

Lucy gets to the AirBnB. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO JAY?!"
The two guys, suprised that she's appeared there, explain that Jay stole the watch, but swear to her that they were not able to find him.

The Police visit the AirBnB. The watch has not been reported missing, so the Police have no knowledge of any watch theft.
"Yes, Officer. Jay was here last night, but when we woke up in the morning he was gone. We went looking for him, but he was nowhere to be seen".
There's no suggestion of foul play, or of any crime at all having been committed. The men's statements are taken and they're free to leave.

The more I think about this, the more it makes perfect sense. Particularly Jay's decision to go North as opposed to South, and the fact that Ofelia remarked that he was 'walking fast'. Bearing in mind that according to his stepfather, he was not fond of walking at all. This isn't the kind of guy that goes on a hike because it's a nice day out. He had to have a reason for going that direction. I think the reason was losing the two men.
 
suzyjackson said:
Obviously I don't know anything about you but I'm going to assume you are older, more law abiding and less into the drugs scene than the three people involved and thus are applying what you think you would or wouldn't do. Nothing about that is surprising IMO

Did you follow Corrie McKeague's disappearence? The number of times people posted that he wasn't in the bin because no one would go in a bin in white trousers was ridiculous :)
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I agree. I suspect possible scenarios are being called "absurd" because the crowd we are discussing vacations in a very different scene than most of us on WS do, and it just seems unbelievable. I don't think the theft sounds absurd at all.

Despite that, I think he got lost in rugged terrain.

jmo
 
jackal67 said:
Does anyone actually believe that Jay had the wits about him to steal an expensive watch. Pick pockets are usually highly skilled in the technique. In all we have seen and read about Jays condition on that night he seemed totally out of it and also fell over in the club through drink and whatever else he had taken. MOO
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Maybe the fall was the diversion jay was Oliver and the AirBnB guys were the Artful dodger
 
CoverMeCagney said:
'Kiss goodbye to your boy, you're never going to see him again, he owes me a lot of money.'

That message, as reported by Jay’s mum on day 2 or 3, is what first alerted the world that something other than “got lost on the way home” was going on. I know it’s massively snowballed since then, to ridiculous heights, but this has never been a typical missing hiker case.
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Wasn't that just a troll?
 
Onetwothree said:
Wasn't that just a troll?
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Probably, but not definitely. If the two men are associates of LL, it would not be particularly difficult for one of them to trace Jay's Mum's Snapchat via friends of friends/alternative Social Media.

It's 100% the kind of thing one of them would do, going by his previous social media posturing (assuming the identity is correct, and JMO obvs).
 
Kor_Phaeron said:
It's highly probable that a guy walking around thar area of Tenerife wearing a genuine Rolex is involved in some capacity with organised crime. The fact that the theft wasn't reported to the Police would support that. The watch could have been legitimately owned by the individual it was stolen from, but generally members of organised crime fraternities don't go to the Police when they've become the victim of a crime. They deal with it internally.
One of the two occupants of the AirBnB (who can't be named here due to forum rules, but has been named in MSM) has a criminal background, and if his Social Media history is anything to go by, is a bit of an arrogant loudmouth who fancies himself as a 'real gangster.
I suspect that the two AirBnB occupants were the ones orchestrating the watch theft. Bear in mind that Jay is only 19, suggestible (JMO but his pre-tenerife history paints him as a follower rather than a leader) and likely starstruck by the criminal backgrounds of these two men. It wouldn't take much to convince him to play a minor role in a watch theft, especially after a few drinks and the promise of a cut of the profits.

Watch gets stolen, and the two men hightail it along with Jay to their AirBnB.
Along the way, buzzing from the heist, Jay sends a Snapchat boasting about how they just robbed some foreign bloke of a £12K Rolex.
Back at the AirBnB, talk of the Rolex continues on Snapchat. Still drunk and buzzing from the theft, Jay mentions that the two men have passed out and that he could literally walk out the door with the Rolex and keep it for himself.
Somebody on his Snapchat thinks that's a great idea and dares him to do it.
Jay pockets the watch, leaves the AirBnB and meets Ofelia who tells him he'll need to wait for the next bus.
That's no good to Jay, who needs to be gone before the two men wake up and notice the Rolex (and Jay) are gone.
Jay figures he needs to get away from the Villa sharpish and decides that if they went looking for him, they'd head south back towards the Beach to his Hotel.
Jay decides heading North is the safest bet until he loses the heat.
Two guys wake up. No Jay. No watch.
They head outside and meet Ofelia who tells them that Jay went north.
They get in the car and head up into the hills to catch him.
Jay is on the phone to Brad, possibly buzzing about the fact that he actually stole the watch, at which point he sees the hire car making its way up the hill. Bollocks. Time to hide.
Tells Brad he needs to go and hangs up before moving off road into the brush.
After a few minutes of moving around staying well away from the road, the adrenaline wears off and he realises he doesn't know where he is.

Starting to panic about the fact that he's lost, dehydrated and being chased by two guys that (to him, at least) resemble Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger, he calls Lucy (who knows the island best) to ask for help.
He tells Lucy about what he's done with the watch. Lucy, who knows these guys as 'associates' immediately panics over what Jay has got himself into and after likely telling him to 'drop a pin before your battery runs out and stay there', gets off the phone and immediately calls the police to report him lost, hoping that they can get to him before Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger can.

The next part is anyone's guess. Tony and Whitey either catch up to Jay, or Jay gets further into the brush and ends up succumbing to shock/dehydration/heat.

After alerting the Police, Lucy gets in contact with Jay's social circle to find out what everyone knows, and advises Jay's mum of the situation - including the watch theft - prompting Jay's mum to assume that the two men have captured her son and pleading for him to be let go.

Lucy gets to the AirBnB. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO JAY?!"
The two guys, suprised that she's appeared there, explain that Jay stole the watch, but swear to her that they were not able to find him.

The Police visit the AirBnB. The watch has not been reported missing, so the Police have no knowledge of any watch theft.
"Yes, Officer. Jay was here last night, but when we woke up in the morning he was gone. We went looking for him, but he was nowhere to be seen".
There's no suggestion of foul play, or of any crime at all having been committed. The men's statements are taken and they're free to leave.

The more I think about this, the more it makes perfect sense. Particularly Jay's decision to go North as opposed to South, and the fact that Ofelia remarked that he was 'walking fast'. Bearing in mind that according to his stepfather, he was not fond of walking at all. This isn't the kind of guy that goes on a hike because it's a nice day out. He had to have a reason for going that direction. I think the reason was losing the two men.
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Love this and a good synopsis of all the comments in thread #3 definitely should quit the day job and either private investigator or crime writer ,on a serious note this is a perfectly reasonable scenario
 
Jay Slater search police may have made a major mistake by discounting somes lines of enquiry so early in the case, a former Scotland Yard detective has claimed. Crime expert Peter Bleksley said the presence of the two "mystery men" he travelled with would have rung alarm bells if he were investigating the case, which is being treated as a missing person enquiry by Tenerife's Guardia Civil.

Mr Slater, 19, went missing on June 17 after travelling by car from the NRG music festival in Playa de las Americas to an AirBnB in the remote village of Masca with two British men who Spanish police have said "don't have any relevance" to the case.

Mr Bleksley told Express.co.uk: "Foul play could not be ruled out on day one. We have had the story of a young man getting into a vehicle with two men unknown to him, who did not from initial descriptions fit the natural festival-goer demographic.

"A 19-year-old going off with them should have rung alarm bells. It would have rung alarm bells in my mind."

The ex-detective suggested Guardia Civil was too quick to dismiss the two men, who are believed to have returned to the UK.
www.express.co.uk

'I'm an ex-detective - police have made a major mistake in Jay Slater search'

EXCLUSIVE: A former Scotland Yard detective claims that police in Tenerife shouldn't have ruled out certain lines of enquiry so early in the investigation.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
Snapchat info is always frustrating as it’s so vague! And there are so many options and possibilities when one says Jay “posted” the watch picture. To me, this info implies three possibilities:

1. Jay posted this to a main, public STORY of which any of his friends / followers could watch, send to each other and screenshot. This would be a really silly thing to do and certainly, as @Kassandrra said, could initiate a fight between the three of them as it would show a lot of people what they had done.

2. He posted it onto a private story, where Jay was able to select and decide which individuals could view. This means most likely a small group of people close to jay could view and screenshot the image.

3. Jay only sent this image to a handful of friends / whoever he wanted to show off the watch to. I think this is what he did.

EDIT: Also, once a Snapchat is sent once, it is deleted. Unless!!! The recipient SAVES the picture in the chat or screenshots it immediately upon opening it. You can’t save a snap any later than about 30 seconds. I wonder if anyone actually HAS the photo saved or is this just what his friends have said?

All IMO from years of experience on Snapchat lol!
 
Kor_Phaeron said:
It's highly probable that a guy walking around thar area of Tenerife wearing a genuine Rolex is involved in some capacity with organised crime. The fact that the theft wasn't reported to the Police would support that. The watch could have been legitimately owned by the individual it was stolen from, but generally members of organised crime fraternities don't go to the Police when they've become the victim of a crime. They deal with it internally.
One of the two occupants of the AirBnB (who can't be named here due to forum rules, but has been named in MSM) has a criminal background, and if his Social Media history is anything to go by, is a bit of an arrogant loudmouth who fancies himself as a 'real gangster.
I suspect that the two AirBnB occupants were the ones orchestrating the watch theft. Bear in mind that Jay is only 19, suggestible (JMO but his pre-tenerife history paints him as a follower rather than a leader) and likely starstruck by the criminal backgrounds of these two men. It wouldn't take much to convince him to play a minor role in a watch theft, especially after a few drinks and the promise of a cut of the profits.

Watch gets stolen, and the two men hightail it along with Jay to their AirBnB.
Along the way, buzzing from the heist, Jay sends a Snapchat boasting about how they just robbed some foreign bloke of a £12K Rolex.
Back at the AirBnB, talk of the Rolex continues on Snapchat. Still drunk and buzzing from the theft, Jay mentions that the two men have passed out and that he could literally walk out the door with the Rolex and keep it for himself.
Somebody on his Snapchat thinks that's a great idea and dares him to do it.
Jay pockets the watch, leaves the AirBnB and meets Ofelia who tells him he'll need to wait for the next bus.
That's no good to Jay, who needs to be gone before the two men wake up and notice the Rolex (and Jay) are gone.
Jay figures he needs to get away from the Villa sharpish and decides that if they went looking for him, they'd head south back towards the Beach to his Hotel.
Jay decides heading North is the safest bet until he loses the heat.
Two guys wake up. No Jay. No watch.
They head outside and meet Ofelia who tells them that Jay went north.
They get in the car and head up into the hills to catch him.
Jay is on the phone to Brad, possibly buzzing about the fact that he actually stole the watch, at which point he sees the hire car making its way up the hill. Bollocks. Time to hide.
Tells Brad he needs to go and hangs up before moving off road into the brush.
After a few minutes of moving around staying well away from the road, the adrenaline wears off and he realises he doesn't know where he is.

Starting to panic about the fact that he's lost, dehydrated and being chased by two guys that (to him, at least) resemble Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger, he calls Lucy (who knows the island best) to ask for help.
He tells Lucy about what he's done with the watch. Lucy, who knows these guys as 'associates' immediately panics over what Jay has got himself into and after likely telling him to 'drop a pin before your battery runs out and stay there', gets off the phone and immediately calls the police to report him lost, hoping that they can get to him before Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger can.

The next part is anyone's guess. Tony and Whitey either catch up to Jay, or Jay gets further into the brush and ends up succumbing to shock/dehydration/heat.

After alerting the Police, Lucy gets in contact with Jay's social circle to find out what everyone knows, and advises Jay's mum of the situation - including the watch theft - prompting Jay's mum to assume that the two men have captured her son and pleading for him to be let go.

Lucy gets to the AirBnB. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO JAY?!"
The two guys, suprised that she's appeared there, explain that Jay stole the watch, but swear to her that they were not able to find him.

The Police visit the AirBnB. The watch has not been reported missing, so the Police have no knowledge of any watch theft.
"Yes, Officer. Jay was here last night, but when we woke up in the morning he was gone. We went looking for him, but he was nowhere to be seen".
There's no suggestion of foul play, or of any crime at all having been committed. The men's statements are taken and they're free to leave.

The more I think about this, the more it makes perfect sense. Particularly Jay's decision to go North as opposed to South, and the fact that Ofelia remarked that he was 'walking fast'. Bearing in mind that according to his stepfather, he was not fond of walking at all. This isn't the kind of guy that goes on a hike because it's a nice day out. He had to have a reason for going that direction. I think the reason was losing the two men.
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Makes sense, the way you have laid it out. In addition, we now know that Jay had been socialising with the two men from the AirB&B for the previous two days, so they may have filled his head with boasts about their exploits, hence his willingness to travel with them to where they were staying.
 
Kor_Phaeron said:
It's highly probable that a guy walking around thar area of Tenerife wearing a genuine Rolex is involved in some capacity with organised crime. The fact that the theft wasn't reported to the Police would support that. The watch could have been legitimately owned by the individual it was stolen from, but generally members of organised crime fraternities don't go to the Police when they've become the victim of a crime. They deal with it internally.
One of the two occupants of the AirBnB (who can't be named here due to forum rules, but has been named in MSM) has a criminal background, and if his Social Media history is anything to go by, is a bit of an arrogant loudmouth who fancies himself as a 'real gangster.
I suspect that the two AirBnB occupants were the ones orchestrating the watch theft. Bear in mind that Jay is only 19, suggestible (JMO but his pre-tenerife history paints him as a follower rather than a leader) and likely starstruck by the criminal backgrounds of these two men. It wouldn't take much to convince him to play a minor role in a watch theft, especially after a few drinks and the promise of a cut of the profits.

Watch gets stolen, and the two men hightail it along with Jay to their AirBnB.
Along the way, buzzing from the heist, Jay sends a Snapchat boasting about how they just robbed some foreign bloke of a £12K Rolex.
Back at the AirBnB, talk of the Rolex continues on Snapchat. Still drunk and buzzing from the theft, Jay mentions that the two men have passed out and that he could literally walk out the door with the Rolex and keep it for himself.
Somebody on his Snapchat thinks that's a great idea and dares him to do it.
Jay pockets the watch, leaves the AirBnB and meets Ofelia who tells him he'll need to wait for the next bus.
That's no good to Jay, who needs to be gone before the two men wake up and notice the Rolex (and Jay) are gone.
Jay figures he needs to get away from the Villa sharpish and decides that if they went looking for him, they'd head south back towards the Beach to his Hotel.
Jay decides heading North is the safest bet until he loses the heat.
Two guys wake up. No Jay. No watch.
They head outside and meet Ofelia who tells them that Jay went north.
They get in the car and head up into the hills to catch him.
Jay is on the phone to Brad, possibly buzzing about the fact that he actually stole the watch, at which point he sees the hire car making its way up the hill. Bollocks. Time to hide.
Tells Brad he needs to go and hangs up before moving off road into the brush.
After a few minutes of moving around staying well away from the road, the adrenaline wears off and he realises he doesn't know where he is.

Starting to panic about the fact that he's lost, dehydrated and being chased by two guys that (to him, at least) resemble Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger, he calls Lucy (who knows the island best) to ask for help.
He tells Lucy about what he's done with the watch. Lucy, who knows these guys as 'associates' immediately panics over what Jay has got himself into and after likely telling him to 'drop a pin before your battery runs out and stay there', gets off the phone and immediately calls the police to report him lost, hoping that they can get to him before Tony Montana and Whitey Bulger can.

The next part is anyone's guess. Tony and Whitey either catch up to Jay, or Jay gets further into the brush and ends up succumbing to shock/dehydration/heat.

After alerting the Police, Lucy gets in contact with Jay's social circle to find out what everyone knows, and advises Jay's mum of the situation - including the watch theft - prompting Jay's mum to assume that the two men have captured her son and pleading for him to be let go.

Lucy gets to the AirBnB. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO JAY?!"
The two guys, suprised that she's appeared there, explain that Jay stole the watch, but swear to her that they were not able to find him.

The Police visit the AirBnB. The watch has not been reported missing, so the Police have no knowledge of any watch theft.
"Yes, Officer. Jay was here last night, but when we woke up in the morning he was gone. We went looking for him, but he was nowhere to be seen".
There's no suggestion of foul play, or of any crime at all having been committed. The men's statements are taken and they're free to leave.

The more I think about this, the more it makes perfect sense. Particularly Jay's decision to go North as opposed to South, and the fact that Ofelia remarked that he was 'walking fast'. Bearing in mind that according to his stepfather, he was not fond of walking at all. This isn't the kind of guy that goes on a hike because it's a nice day out. He had to have a reason for going that direction. I think the reason was losing the two men.
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JMO but one issue with this is why would LL publicly post JS screenshot location on the Tenerife FB group if she knew these two guys were looking for him or if she thought he was in any danger from anyone looking for him
 
su5ie said:
I had wondered if the fall jay had in the nightclub was the distraction and the two Airbnb guys told jay they would give him his cut of the deal at their Airbnb I will find pic of fall for reference and post
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Dont think the 2 Airbnb guys were there at the Rave .They were drinking in bars nearby though
 
Only recently took notice of this case as thought it was a sad case of a young lad getting himself in trouble.

Now it seems like he might have got mixed-up in a stolen Rolex plot? Can't see this ending well in any case and sadly like many of these cases they'll be lots of unanswered questions and what if's.....:(

Really do think we need to hear more about the two guys from the AirBnB despite what the local LE in Tenerife have said. Oddly mysterious and it seems like the Mail at least are on that tail.

Kor_Phaeron said:
I can imagine. It winds me up enough when people refer to their Audi's as 'their Jeep'.
It's a BLOODY AUDI! If you wanted a Jeep, BUY A BLOODY JEEP!
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LOL, Kor! Are you from Burnley and have a twin!?
 
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