Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #4

[su5ie]

Given whoever finds Jay finds the Rolex, there's a perverse incentive not to let on that you found Jay, because if you found Jay and make that clear, you might then have a target on your back for the watch, regardless whether you found it and took it or not.

"Everyone knows each other." - Qassim

Real reason Jay Slater returned to mystery man's Airbnb 'revealed'

Slater, aged 19, has vanished from Tenerife and gone missing in the Canary Islands holiday hotspot - having gone back to an Airbnb with a convicted drug dealer from the UK.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

There are clearly some unsavoury pressures being felt:

TikToker searching for Jay Slater quit because he ‘didn’t feel safe’ in Tenerife

Callum Fahim said he felt unsafe from trolls and organised crime in Tenerife

www.independent.co.uk

I wouldn't rely on too much truths from callum ,unfortunately Debbie, Jay's mum had to call him out over stating he recieved no help or money in regards to him helping with the search

https://news.sky.com/story/jay-slat...search-and-says-hes-never-had-any-money-from-

 

[Helen_Stewart]

New picture of Jay Slater shows him in nightclub with female friend

A new picture of missing teenager Jay Slater shows the 19-year-old in a nightclub in the early hours with his female friend just hours before he disappeared in Tenerife.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The majority of late teens/ early twenties young lads wear these they are known as manbags and you can see in top photo in article linked that the majority of the young lads had them in the night club

I think it's already been established that they are known as man bags. The photo you linked to is blurry and only shows one other lad wearing one, apart from Jay.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Every chance he stole a fake Rolex. So if he was going to use it for “funding” and it’s fake he has a problem.
In any event, imagine stealing a Rolex off a man’s arm in a club. Victim needs to be distracted, restrained and is in an enclosed environment … a bad idea. A man on the street … part of an assault. It’s going to be on an arm …

It’s a challenge to make this make sense.
Sure, police should help find missing person but so much points to reasons for him to not want to be found. Could LE think Jay is “Evading law enforcement.. and criminals”

 

[su5ie]

https://news.sky.com/story/jay-slat...d-says-hes-never-had-any-money-from--13164027

 

[su5ie]

I think it's already been established that they are known as man bags. The photo you linked to is blurry and only shows one other lad wearing one, apart from Jay.

It may be blurry but a number of straps on the shoulders of young men can be seen ,I understood that other posters had highlighted young lads wear them I was just stating what they were called and my reasoning behind that was that it wasn't a nefarious reason that jay was carrying one it's not an indication of drug dealing it's just a fashion item , thank you for pointing out it had already been said I hadn't seen that

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"I'm sure Madeleine McCann's parents still cling on after all these years that she'll be found somewhere on the other side of the world."

Mr Duncan said the family is frustrated by the lack of communication from police on the island, adding: "It's getting to the point where you're becoming angry."

"Who knows what the police are doing out here," he said. "They don't give anything away."

He said he hopes they are "following every single lead", but asked: "What are they actively doing? Because they're not here.

"Are they making door to door enquiries, are they studying CCTV footage? I don't know."

The Guardia Civil has told Sky News search teams from other places can come "without any problem" to collaborate with the search.

They said they must notify the Guardia Civil "for good management of information and resources" and they have not yet had a request.

Jay Slater's family in 'torture' as search focuses on gorge in 'treacherous' conditions

The 19-year-old's family is becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of communication from police, his uncle told Sky News. He said: "What are they actively doing? Because they're not here."

news.sky.com

 

[Dotta]

"I'm sure Madeleine McCann's parents still cling on after all these years that she'll be found somewhere on the other side of the world."

Mr Duncan said the family is frustrated by the lack of communication from police on the island, adding: "It's getting to the point where you're becoming angry."

"Who knows what the police are doing out here," he said. "They don't give anything away."

He said he hopes they are "following every single lead", but asked: "What are they actively doing? Because they're not here.

"Are they making door to door enquiries, are they studying CCTV footage? I don't know."

The Guardia Civil has told Sky News search teams from other places can come "without any problem" to collaborate with the search.

They said they must notify the Guardia Civil "for good management of information and resources" and they have not yet had a request.

Jay Slater's family in 'torture' as search focuses on gorge in 'treacherous' conditions

The 19-year-old's family is becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of communication from police, his uncle told Sky News. He said: "What are they actively doing? Because they're not here."

news.sky.com

Sorry but
I'm sooo tired of these complaints

Police never inform the families of the details of investigations in any country.

Members of families are NOT part of investigation teams.

A good idea would be to hire a local lawyer to be a link between family and Police and Media.

JMO

 

[x44]

The advantage for local law enforcement by not saying anything at all to anybody is that they can quietly drop the case stuff it at the back of the filing cabinet and "sweep it under the carpet" to quote a UK expressions without anyone realising this has happened.

Once you start having press conferences and the rest it all becomes rather obvious when you suddenly stop and questions get asked by journalist why. As another old saying goes its always easier to start something then to end it - typically applied to protests.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Sorry but
I'm sooo tired of these complaints

Police never inform the families of the details of investigations in any country.

Members of families are NOT part of investigation teams.

A good idea would be to hire a local lawyer to be a link between family and Police and Media.

JMO

You would hope in such a high profile misper case they’d be assigned the equivalent of an FLO and an interpreter. It doesn’t happen with all cases in the UK, but it should apply in a situation like this.

 

[Bolton91]

Just a thought that I wanted to note down before I forget it. Perhaps inconsequential but, with all of the newer talk and theories that people are coming up with, including that it’s not *confirmed* in a concrete way (ie. through CCTV) that Jay was ever at the Airbnb in Masca, and that various “facts” that came out when the story first broke (the snapchats, the phone calls, the location pings) are now being questioned and seen by some online commenters as deliberate “staging” to make it look like Jay himself was there and he wasn’t (and that just his phone was)… well, it’s suddenly just struck me as strange and all too convenient that in the Snapchat of the cigarette/feet/blanket he’s also added a location tag. I have nieces and nephews around Jay’s age and maybe it’s just them but they never send Snapchat pictures tagging their location, it’s normally just a photo with a comment on it, or just a photo. Maybe I’m overthinking this. But it really does seem convenient.

Apologies if it goes against the site terms to speculate like this, I will delete this comment if so.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

How to Turn Off Location on Snapchat: Tips for Parents

Learn how to turn off location on Snapchat and protect your kids on Snap Map. Get answers to your location-sharing concerns in our guide.

www.brightcanary.io

I'm not on Snapchat so had a little difficulty understanding location settings and I thought jay wrote his location over pic of him standing at door of AirBnB so found this link which explains a bit ,so now I'm wondering if the app allows to track movements for 24 hours and if a number of people are using in a particular Area and even if app is not active not in use location of person will show up like little dots on a screen interesting

 

[su5ie]

https://help.snapchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/7012295450900-How-do-I-share-my-Live-Location-with-friends#:~:text=When%20you%20enable%20Live%20Location,overall%20experience%20in%20the%20app!

This one is on Snapchat support page
I now have a better understanding has to how law enforcement and Jay's friends were able to pinpoint where he was at last use and also if Jay had his location to see by all he potentially could have became paranoid about who seen where he was and the bravado of the night before while drunk turned to fear in the cold light of day and coming back to reality now I'm not so convinced that the two AirBnB guys had anything to do with him going out alone into the wilderness so to speak and feel it is a misadventure I reckon he will be found but a little further then the sars teams scoured and sadly I feel it will be months before his body will be found ,God love him and his family most unfortunate series of events

 

[su5ie]

[Top 8 Ways] How to Fix Snap Map Showing Wrong Location

If you're experiencing frustration with this issue, delve into this article for solutions to rectify the problem of snap map showing wrong location or Snapchat location wrong.

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Here is another link that I found interesting as regards location I think so much weight has been given to Jay's last location in msm that I just want to research to get a better understanding I noticed that it states poor Internet connection can interfer with how it works I wonder how strong Jay's connection was in mountainous terrain I know if I go into rural areas in my country signal is poorer than when in urban built up areas

 

[Bahshudc]

Just a thought that I wanted to note down before I forget it. Perhaps inconsequential but, with all of the newer talk and theories that people are coming up with, including that it’s not *confirmed* in a concrete way (ie. through CCTV) that Jay was ever at the Airbnb in Masca, and that various “facts” that came out when the story first broke (the snapchats, the phone calls, the location pings) are now being questioned and seen by some online commenters as deliberate “staging” to make it look like Jay himself was there and he wasn’t (and that just his phone was)… well, it’s suddenly just struck me as strange and all too convenient that in the Snapchat of the cigarette/feet/blanket he’s also added a location tag. I have nieces and nephews around Jay’s age and maybe it’s just them but they never send Snapchat pictures tagging their location, it’s normally just a photo with a comment on it, or just a photo. Maybe I’m overthinking this. But it really does seem convenient.

Apologies if it goes against the site terms to speculate like this, I will delete this comment if so.

MOO

I think it depends on who are you are and what you want your social media to show! In my experience this is pretty common, as the location tag is a filter snapchat offers - so you swipe and can select many different filters to sort of “decorate” your picture. Snapchat changes the filter depending on where you are - for example if Jay had taken a video on London bridge then the filter would’ve said London or something. I’ve seen it a long with young people on holiday who want to show where they are, and have done it myself a few years ago haha! It seems like he wanted to show off his holiday and the lovely view, putting the location tag on the snap to show his online friends he was in Tenerife. All moo!

 

[Dotta]

Jay's Uncle is talking ...

" 'I've been thinking third party involvement from the start' -​

Jay's family member's theory on where the teenager is.​

Speaking about the online trolls spreading sick rumours,
Jay's uncle Glen Duncan
said:

'I'm not on social media or anything so I can just block it out.
It's the world we live in.

If he's gone on a trail like a path like this and he's got lost there or fallen down
I think he would have been found by now.

I've been thinking third party involvement from the start.
There's just some things that have already been out there.

Why would two lads hire a villa up here?
They're down on the strip, you know what it's like down there.

There's millions of apartments and hotels down there in Los Cristianos and Las Americas.
Straight away, that's just suspicious in itself.

Then apparently one who has been found came out and said he arrived alive and left alive.
That line in itself is suspicious.

The fact he has come out and said all his mates have left him and he had nowhere to go, he was 10 minutes from his apartment in Los Cristianos.

He's not stupid.
If he didn't have a room key he could have gone to reception for a replacement'."

Missing Jay Slater in Tenerife after TV detective gives investigation latest

The Lancashire teenager has been missing on the Spanish island since June 17

www-manchestereveningnews-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I totally agree with him about the location of the Airbnb. It IS a bit weird.

 

[su5ie]

Jay's Uncle is talking ...

" 'I've been thinking third party involvement from the start' -​

Jay's family member's theory on where the teenager is.​

Speaking about the online trolls spreading sick rumours,
Jay's uncle Glen Duncan
said:

'I'm not on social media or anything so I can just block it out.
It's the world we live in.

If he's gone on a trail like a path like this and he's got lost there or fallen down
I think he would have been found by now.

I've been thinking third party involvement from the start.
There's just some things that have already been out there.

Why would two lads hire a villa up here?
They're down on the strip, you know what it's like down there.

There's millions of apartments and hotels down there in Los Cristianos and Las Americas.
Straight away, that's just suspicious in itself.

Then apparently one who has been found came out and said he arrived alive and left alive.
That line in itself is suspicious.

The fact he has come out and said all his mates have left him and he had nowhere to go, he was 10 minutes from his apartment in Los Cristianos.

He's not stupid.
If he didn't have a room key he could have gone to reception for a replacement'."

Missing Jay Slater in Tenerife after TV detective gives investigation latest

The Lancashire teenager has been missing on the Spanish island since June 17

www-manchestereveningnews-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Both Jay's uncle and Lucy both state that jay wasn't stupid which I gather translates to he was streetwise but being streetwise on your own turf where you are comfortable in the familiarity I feel jay didn't have an awareness that in a strange country you can't let your guard down in the same way you would at home and must keep your wits about you even though we all let our hair down on holiday older adults will generally have the banter on holidays but will keep an eye for danger and being Jay's first holiday without the watchful and protective eyes of his parents he just felt too comfortable in company of people he barely knew and who are not going to look out for you like close friends and family

 

[PS8800]

Just a thought that I wanted to note down before I forget it. Perhaps inconsequential but, with all of the newer talk and theories that people are coming up with, including that it’s not *confirmed* in a concrete way (ie. through CCTV) that Jay was ever at the Airbnb in Masca, and that various “facts” that came out when the story first broke (the snapchats, the phone calls, the location pings) are now being questioned and seen by some online commenters as deliberate “staging” to make it look like Jay himself was there and he wasn’t (and that just his phone was)… well, it’s suddenly just struck me as strange and all too convenient that in the Snapchat of the cigarette/feet/blanket he’s also added a location tag. I have nieces and nephews around Jay’s age and maybe it’s just them but they never send Snapchat pictures tagging their location, it’s normally just a photo with a comment on it, or just a photo. Maybe I’m overthinking this. But it really does seem convenient.

Apologies if it goes against the site terms to speculate like this, I will delete this comment if so.

MOO

Imo its Jay. Its his hand. Look at other photos of him. Even down to how he holds the cigaretter. Ive no doubt his mother would be shouting from the rooftops if it wasn't his hand.
Maybe he tagged the location because it was someplace new, and unique!
Or maybe it was a subconscious decision.

 

[PS8800]

Jay's Uncle is talking ...

" 'I've been thinking third party involvement from the start' -​

Jay's family member's theory on where the teenager is.​

Speaking about the online trolls spreading sick rumours,
Jay's uncle Glen Duncan
said:

'I'm not on social media or anything so I can just block it out.
It's the world we live in.

If he's gone on a trail like a path like this and he's got lost there or fallen down
I think he would have been found by now.

I've been thinking third party involvement from the start.
There's just some things that have already been out there.

Why would two lads hire a villa up here?
They're down on the strip, you know what it's like down there.

There's millions of apartments and hotels down there in Los Cristianos and Las Americas.
Straight away, that's just suspicious in itself.

Then apparently one who has been found came out and said he arrived alive and left alive.
That line in itself is suspicious.

The fact he has come out and said all his mates have left him and he had nowhere to go, he was 10 minutes from his apartment in Los Cristianos.

He's not stupid.
If he didn't have a room key he could have gone to reception for a replacement'."

Missing Jay Slater in Tenerife after TV detective gives investigation latest

The Lancashire teenager has been missing on the Spanish island since June 17

www-manchestereveningnews-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

I agree with the uncle on that statement of arriving alive and leaving alive.
He may well have. But what about after he left, Ayoobi?
And why even mention anything about being alive…
I dont like it
And I was one of those convinced of misadventure initially

 

[Fidobell]

Most of them, for some reason they are way more savvy than we were. Regardless he had one, so whether you think it’s normal or not is irrelevant. But honestly man bags have been a thing for years.

I can say I bought my daughter s boyfriend a similar bag for a rugby trip abroad and subsequent photos showed all the pals wearing similar , apparently saves from pickpockets stuff falling out shallow pockets etc . Even bought one recently for 60 yr old hubby going to Euros . (Kilts don't have pockets) when a photo of Jay comes up with bag I've never questioned it . Hes wearing shorts with probably pockets not suitable for stuffing card or cash in . These bags as I see them useful but all the young ones using them as fashion accessory