WA WA - Olympia, WhtFem 20-30, UP8886, cranium & bones in wooded area, sticks & shoelace cross, Oct'81

[Susikatze]

Yes, her two upper right front teeth had missing enamel on the surface. It may have been a postmortem defect, but they looked smooth, so I depicted them as they were.

Thank you for claification and thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving her a face. Now we need to get her name back.

Enamel defects, if not taphonomic (certain soil conditions can seep into the teeth and stain them) could be the result of many things: substance use, bulimia, malnutrition, bad dental hygiene, hyperfluoridation, genetic conditions, pre caries, mechanical abrasion....

 

[Blurgle]

Oh thank you, I thought Irin could be a Jewish name (it has a meaning in hebrew), but I am not a specialist, thank you for clarifying. I have also found a couple of missing girls with the last name Miller, but I think the same as Meyer, it can be both German and Ashkenazi. I honestly think it is none of these girls and I suspect her missing person’s report was lost or something like this.

Miller isn’t German or Ashkenazi, but it can be Polish - and some Polish Jews adopted Polish surnames.

 

[djanga]

So, one of the Millers is Jeannette Rose Miller, she dissapeared from Snohomish County, Washington in 1970, she was last seen on Lincoln Bridge in Arlington. I don’t think it is her , taken into the account the circumstances if her disappearance

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[djanga]

Miller isn’t German or Ashkenazi, but it can be Polish - and some Polish Jews adopted Polish surnames.

Miller is not originally a polish last name, although yes you can see it among polish Ashkenazi people. Polish last names and other slavic last names dont end with “er”. Also in polish mill is mlyn.

 

[Caring1]

Leonore Ruth Michel missing since 1973 from CT. She was much older than the estimated age for JD but could be a possibility. Noted by @victoriarobinson642 on another thread that Leonore’s Ancestry appears to be Ashkenazi Jewish so felt compelled to post here as I haven’t come across too many that share that unique detail.

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[Susikatze]

Leonore Ruth Michel missing since 1973 from CT. She was much older than the estimated age for JD but could be a possibility. Noted by @victoriarobinson642 on another thread that Leonore’s Ancestry appears to be Ashkenazi Jewish so felt compelled to post here as I haven’t come across too many that share that unique detail.

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I think we just have no comprehensive database of missing women of Ashkenazi Jewish descent. There are more missing than we may be aware of.

Lenore was never considered and I think her profile was put up recently, so it is worth a try.

 

[Susikatze]

Their facial proportions are similar, timeline fits and the teeth appear similar. Definitely worth a try

 

[MarziPanda]

Leonore Ruth Michel missing since 1973 from CT. She was much older than the estimated age for JD but could be a possibility. Noted by @victoriarobinson642 on another thread that Leonore’s Ancestry appears to be Ashkenazi Jewish so felt compelled to post here as I haven’t come across too many that share that unique detail.

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Age estimates have been waaaay off before, so it's worth a try! I think there's a resemblance. Similar nose, jaw, face shape, eyebrows.

 

[iamshadow21]

Leonore Ruth Michel missing since 1973 from CT. She was much older than the estimated age for JD but could be a possibility. Noted by @victoriarobinson642 on another thread that Leonore’s Ancestry appears to be Ashkenazi Jewish so felt compelled to post here as I haven’t come across too many that share that unique detail.

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There's definitely a resemblance.

Go for it. A rule out is still a result - if this isn't Leonore then at least we'll know that and be able to look elsewhere.

 

[Caring1]

I believe it’s worth a shot as well. It’s also possible that Leonore is already in the process of being compared to this JD. I will submit anyway, just in case.

 

[Romulus]

I found a blog that offers good explanations in "layman's terms" (of which I am one, hah):
The first link explains what the numbers are actually mean (the Oracle 4 section is towards the bottom of the webpage): Genealogical Musings: Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!

"Using 1 population approximation works the same as Single Population Sharing in Oracle, but I’ve noticed the results are sometimes different, so they’re obviously using a slightly different calculation. Reading the results works the same though: they are showing you a list of specific populations you most closely match, with the distant showing you just how closely you match. Again, this is intended for people whose ancestors all come from the same population."

Which in this UID's case means that she most closely matches the Italian Jewish population in the database.

"Using 4 population approximation uses a combination of 4 specific populations you most closely match and lists your top 20 combos. This was designed for people who have 4 grandparents from 4 different places but it can sometimes also work well if most of your ancestry is mainly from 4 different places/populations (because it does not include percentages)."

This is why there will be some odd 4 population results like Grundy County Jane Doe's top result being 2 Yoruban grandparents, 1 Mankena (both West African peoples), and 1 Hungarian (?!) grandparent respectively. Meanwhile, none of her 1 population results are Hungarian. This is likely due to her ancestry being very concentrated among Yoruban and Bantu peoples.
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Note that this UID's 4 population approximation matches are not from 4 different places/populations. With her closest match being 2 Italian Jewish grandparents and 2 Ashkenazi Jewish grandparents, (and her second and third closest matches both have 3 Italian Jewish grandparents!). Based on looking at other UID Oracle 4 population approximation results, it is very unusual for someone's closest 1 population and 4 population approximation results to match up as much as they do for this Jane Doe. For example, Mowry Wetlands Jane Doe's top 1 population result is South Dutch (Irish being her 9th closest), while her top 4 population result is 3 Irish grandparents and 1 Romanian grandparent.
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The second is an analysis of how to interpret results:
Genealogical Musings: An Oracle Analysis

"Firstly, it's important to remember that the results can be very speculative and it's best not to take them very literally. People in neighboring regions simply share too much DNA to always be able to tell them apart with accuracy. That means the more narrowed down the areas are in the result, the more speculative it is. You could be German, for example, and get French results because they are neighboring countries who share a lot of DNA. It doesn't mean you're French, it just means this particular calculator put that French/German shared DNA into French instead of German."

Relevant to Unidentified persons: "If you are adopted and don't know your ancestral background, it's difficult to know which calculators will be more accurate than others. You should definitely still take all this with a grain of salt, but it is fun to examine and compare with what we do know."

Missing woman with italian surnames

Missing Person/NamUs #MP18926
Judith Ann Ruggirello, Female, White / Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: August 18, 1968
Missing From: Southfield, Michigan
Missing Age: 29 Years

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP11036
Barbara Jean Paciotti, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: June 14, 1969
Missing From: Hibbing, Minnesota
Missing Age: 20 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP25068
Diane P Licciardello, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: October 12, 1971
Missing From: Melrose, Massachusetts
Missing Age: 28 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP32948
Mary Patricia Fiano, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: June 1, 1973
Missing From: Fairmont, West Virginia
Missing Age: 22 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP8048
Valarie Lorraine Cuccia, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: May 4, 1974
Missing From: Brooklyn, New York
Missing Age: 20 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP21462
Linda Geronimo, Female, Multiple
Date of Last Contact: June 25, 1975
Missing From: Wyandanch, New York
Missing Age: 25 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP19092
Laurie Jean Amico, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: February 20, 1976
Missing From: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Missing Age: 22 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP34084
Cristina Parodi, Female, Multiple
Date of Last Contact: January 1, 1979
Missing From: Pasadena, California
Missing Age: 27 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP20364
Ida Faye Basco, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: March 15, 1979
Missing From: East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana
Missing Age: 23 Years

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[Romulus]

Missing Person/NamUs #MP8048
Valarie Lorraine Cuccia, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: May 4, 1974
Missing From: Brooklyn, New York
Missing Age: 20 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Missing Person/NamUs #MP19092
Laurie Jean Amico, Female, White/Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: February 20, 1976
Missing From: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Missing Age: 22 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)​

This profiles resemblance the sketch!

 

[Susikatze]

No, she has a "classic" Ashkenazi DNA profile. Nothing specifically Italian Jewish (which anyway is impossible to detect and distinguish from the general Ashkenazi population).
Gedmatch estimates but it is just that, estimates, no accuracy. They like to give all European Jews "Italian Jewish", no idea, why.
I have Italian Jewish and Sicilian Jewish results in my DNA in Gedmatch, but it is far from what my papertrail says (My Ashkenazi portion is German Jewish). Same for my 100% Hungarian Ashkenazi husband.

 

[theshadow45]

Thurston County Jane Doe has been unidentified for 43 years today.