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So now we know Daniel's excuse for beating his son. We don't know if what he alleges is true or false. Either way, beating a child who acts inappropriately is an ineffective way to handle the problem. It solves nothing except harm yet another child.<modsnip - not an approved source>
Exactly. The charges are not about what the son may or may not have done, but what the parents did. The parents are charged with crimes and it does matter if the parents believe they are justified or not in breaking the law of the land. Their religion does not exempt them from the law.So now we know Daniel's excuse for beating his son. We don't know if what he alleges is true or false. Either way, beating a child who acts inappropriately is an ineffective way to handle the problem. It solves nothing except harm yet another child.
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So Daniel Muir says that Bryson admitted to sexually abusing younger children, and so he--a former professional athlete who was paid to tackle people and at his playing weight neared 300lbs--beat his child? And valorizes some alleged homeland that puts 15 y/os to death without trial.<modsnip- not an approved source>
Yeah as a Hoosier I think it might not be a bad idea to just like check out the whole group at this point? We don’t have to just leave them to carry on do we?I wonder if LE and the court think there is a wider threat to the community by this group and want to keep info confidential at this point to avoid escalation by the cult? idk, just speculating.
jmo
Agreed, I think the homeland refers to Israel.This is JMO but I mentioned upthread there are many who refer to themselves as Black Hebrews who walk around downtown indianapolis and I think they refer to Israel as their homeland even when born in the US.
“Homeland” is their chosen place to call home and not necessarily the place where they were born.
Again JMO
reminiscent of Ruby Franke and her excuses as to why she was torturing her children, particularly her son RF. I believe Daniel as much as I believed Ruby.So Daniel Muir says that Bryson admitted to sexually abusing younger children, and so he--a former professional athlete who was paid to tackle people and at his playing weight neared 300lbs--beat his child? And valorizes some alleged homeland that puts 15 y/os to death without trial.
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I wonder if Daniel's references to his son being put to death in their "homeland" refer more to a when then to a specific place. based on what we now know of his allegations re his son BM (who I will henceforth be referring to by initials) I think he is referencing Leviticus 20:13.Agreed, I think the homeland refers to Israel.
Edit: Although I don’t think Israel has the barbaric laws he’s referencing, so like Old Testament Jerusalem maybe?
Good point.reminiscent of Ruby Franke and her excuses as to why she was torturing her children, particularly her son RF. I believe Daniel as much as I believed Ruby.
This is correct. They think and refer to a "homeland" that never existed, but the laws and owning women and children as property, did.I wonder if Daniel's references to his son being put to death in their "homeland" refer more to a when then to a specific place. based on what we now know of his allegations re his son BM (who I will henceforth be referring to by initials) I think he is referencing Leviticus 20:13.
Many times these groups re write the scriptures to their own way, publish looking like a bible, and claim it to the one true scripture. This way they can make it say what they want. It's a fake bible. House of Yahweh cult leader did this. that book was evil. No other way to describe itAgreed, I think the homeland refers to Israel.
Edit: Although I don’t think Israel has the barbaric laws he’s referencing, so like Old Testament Jerusalem maybe?
I am so sorry you lived that and thankful you are no longer in harm's way. Even though you and your husband parted ways I am so relieved he left the group as well and your stepdaughter wasn't harmed. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the type of mindset that may be factoring into the Muirs' decision making.This is correct. They think and refer to a "homeland" that never existed, but the laws and owning women and children as property, did.
I was once involved in a group almost exactly like this, the house of Yahweh...and when young men were punished like this, and accused of being inappropriate, it wasn't that they hurt a child....they flirted with another teen or pre teen female that the Ka'hans had no intention of ever allowing them to date: That girl was meant for a Ka'han, or as a gift to a follower who gives up a large amount of money to be approved to take another wife, a child wife- and parents readily gave their children up to be child brides
The adopted son of the cult creator was busted for checking young girls hymens along with other abuses.
When I was there, they separated me and my spouse, separated the boys and girls, and indoctrinated us all into the way of the true messiah, Yahweh and Yeshua
Thank fully, my now ex, was too narcissistic to stay long- he wanted multiple wives too and didn't want to have to pay for them....I shudder to think what would have happened to my 3 yr old stepdaughter. He probably would have sold her, and I am not exaggerating about that...This makes me feel so sick and brings up a lot of triggers, but the information needs to be out there. Thankfully, my ex flamed out and could not keep to their ways of not drinking.
For all we know, he kissed a same age girl, and that was it!
Thank you for sharing your experience and educating us.This is correct. They think and refer to a "homeland" that never existed, but the laws and owning women and children as property, did.
I was once involved in a group almost exactly like this, the house of Yahweh...and when young men were punished like this, and accused of being inappropriate, it wasn't that they hurt a child....they flirted with another teen or pre teen female that the Ka'hans had no intention of ever allowing them to date: That girl was meant for a Ka'han, or as a gift to a follower who gives up a large amount of money to be approved to take another wife, a child wife- and parents readily gave their children up to be child brides
The adopted son of the cult creator was busted for checking young girls hymens along with other abuses.
When I was there, they separated me and my spouse, separated the boys and girls, and indoctrinated us all into the way of the true messiah, Yahweh and Yeshua
Thank fully, my now ex, was too narcissistic to stay long- he wanted multiple wives too and didn't want to have to pay for them....I shudder to think what would have happened to my 3 yr old stepdaughter. He probably would have sold her, and I am not exaggerating about that...This makes me feel so sick and brings up a lot of triggers, but the information needs to be out there. Thankfully, my ex flamed out and could not keep to their ways of not drinking.
For all we know, he kissed a same age girl, and that was it!
I think it is very important to share. I'm ok. it's been a long road of different things happening, but a large majority can be placed at the feet of the house of yahweh.I am so sorry you lived that and thankful you are no longer in harm's way. Even though you and your husband parted ways I am so relieved he left the group as well and your stepdaughter wasn't harmed. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the type of mindset that may be factoring into the Muirs' decision making.
From the link in quoted post:Daniel and Kristin Muir to remain behind bars
A Cass County judge said the couple's lawyers filed their bail denial challenge in the wrong court.www.wthr.com