PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #3

[BetteDavisEyes]

Do you know what sort of information you have to provide to register? TIA

Here's the registration for Saturday's rally at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids, MI.

President Donald J. Trump Rally

www.vanandelarena.com

 

[Sundog]

Just name and email address. They reply with a ticket to print and take to the rally. I still have mine.

They also ask for your cell phone number and how many tickets you want.

They said on the radio news today that the shooter used an encrypted email and his cell phone number.

 

[Pyrite]

I disagree with this.

Those SS agents, all of them, put Trumps lives ahead of their own. We watched them try to dissuade from worrying about the shoe, and IMO, when they said shooter down, they felt it was a good time to move Trump ducked to the armored vehicle where they would all be safer. They had no plans for picking up shoes and doing fist pumps.

There is a good chance there can be some lessons learned with SS after this attempt. But there is no evidence IMO that any of the brave agents who quickly wrapped their bullet-absorbing bodies around the candidate did anything wrong. They were heroes.

Any potential failures were about proper pre planning and communications. Not about brave agents who happened to be shorter than the famously non-compliant candidate.

And the responsibility for the violence lies with the shooter.

MOO

I agree they were all brave agents and put their own life at risk to protect president Trump after the shooting. That’s undeniable IMO. However the 5’ something agents, men or women, can not be as affective as people as tall or close to it as Trump is.

Leaving the sex of the agent out of it, the close in Secret Service Teams should have had a minimum height standard based on the height of the person being protected IMO. It just makes them more affective in there job.

 

[Sundog]

Terribly sad for his family. Do we know if Trump personally reached out to speak with his widow? I haven't come across anything about it.

Yes, President Trump has been in contact with Corey's family and he said that he was planning to go to the funeral today, but I haven't seen anything in the news about that yet. He wanted to go to pay his respects yesterday but the SS advised against it because of the large wooded area around the funeral home.

The family also shared Corey's fire-fighting uniform with President Trump so that it could be displayed in memory of him on the stage during President's remarks at the Republican National Convention last night.

President Trump also called for a minute of silence to honor and pay respects to Corey and the thousands of delegates and VIPs and guests went silent in response.


Edited to add: President Trump also spoke about the other two victims of the assassination attempt who are currently hospitalized.

 

[Inthedetails]

OK, here's what I find odd since I dug deeper after your post. (Thank you for challenging me. ) That 2 teenagers both threatened the same high school 5 years ago about the same time. ~5/16/19 for XC and "Spring" for TMC. What are the odds? I'd think pretty darn rare. Especially since Bethel Park only had ~32,000 people back in 2019. Pretty slim odds indeed.

'We had like this anonymous place you could post things or tell on someone on our computers at school and he posted something like 'Don't come to school tomorrow,' and something else that made it sound like he'd put bombs in the cafeteria bathrooms.
'We all texted one another and it came out pretty quickly that it was Thomas and his friend group who'd made the threats to shoot [the school] up.'

This was Crooks the year before that alleged threat:

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Trump shooter Thomas Crooks threatened to 'shoot up' his high school

During the spring of 2019, Crooks, then 15, threatened to shoot up his own high school. The threat was dissmissed then but now the FBI is investigating.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Keeping things together: Teen charged with threats against Bethel Park High School

Looking into this further, even making a threat is a form of violence. The person making the threat scares other people, causes disruption, etc. For the moment, the person has control over others in that others have to react to the threat. The threat, even if a "joke" without an action plan, can be part of a timeline of escalation.

I found this in an FBI Academy doc (linked below):

"In general, people do not switch instantly from nonviolence to violence. Nonviolent people do not 'snap' or decide on the spur of the moment to meet a problem by using violence. Instead, the path toward violence is an evolutionary one, with signposts along the way. A threat is one observable behavior; others may be brooding about frustration or disappointment, fantasies of destruction or revenge, in conversations, writings, drawings, and other actions."

Keeping that description in mind, we see this shooter:
* Made a threat at his school, apparently
* Didn't make the rifle team at school (Did he want revenge? Did he brood for years about the rejection?)
* Researched JFK assassination (did he idolize Oswald and think his notoriety was achievable?)
* Conducted online searches of many top-level politicians (fantasy fodder?)

Here's the link to the FBI doc about school shooters, but note it is a PDF, not a website: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publications-school-shooter-school-shooter

 

[Eli9]

Here's the registration for Saturday's rally at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids, MI.

President Donald J. Trump Rally

www.vanandelarena.com

They also ask for your cell phone number and how many tickets you want.

They said on the radio news today that the shooter used an encrypted email and his cell phone number.

Thanks. It appears you have to agree to
"A confirmation SMS will be sent to your phone. Please follow the instructions to confirm your ticket(s). You will not be registered until you verify by phone."
likely why he used his cell phone number.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Looking into this further, even making a threat is a form of violence. The person making the threat scares other people, causes disruption, etc. For the moment, the person has control over others in that others have to react to the threat. The threat, even if a "joke" without an action plan, can be part of a timeline of escalation.

I found this in an FBI Academy doc (linked below):

"In general, people do not switch instantly from nonviolence to violence. Nonviolent people do not 'snap' or decide on the spur of the moment to meet a problem by using violence. Instead, the path toward violence is an evolutionary one, with signposts along the way. A threat is one observable behavior; others may be brooding about frustration or disappointment, fantasies of destruction or revenge, in conversations, writings, drawings, and other actions."

Keeping that description in mind, we see this shooter:
* Made a threat at his school, apparently
* Didn't make the rifle team at school (Did he want revenge? Did he brood for years about the rejection?)
* Researched JFK assassination (did he idolize Oswald and think his notoriety was achievable?)
* Conducted online searches of many top-level politician (fantasy fodder?)

Here's the link to the FBI doc about school shooters, but note is it a PDF, not a website: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publications-school-shooter-school-shooter

Without getting too out in the weeds... it can be difficult these days to spot said signposts because so many individuals are/can be chronically online. This can be problematic when it comes to developing a profile, or unearthing their motives.

It's no secret that many individuals of all walks of life for many different causes become radicalized online. An individual like this shooter may, or may not, have left a trail of problematic signposts online, yet when logged off just appeared to those who knew him to be a quiet and awkward, albeit polite, young man.

I'm not saying any of this necessarily describes him. I'm just saying, the internet vs reality can provide a sort of Jekyll & Hyde effect for individuals with sinister intentions.

 

[Izzylizzy]

And wasn't she also bent down to the ground for awhile looking for her sunglasses that she dropped, and finally one of the other SS agents found them and handed them to her so she could get back to the job at hand? That's what I remember seeing as I watched them leave the stage, and did hear comments about that on MSM the day after the assassination attempt.

Her glasses are on then off.
No photos in this link with them back on.

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Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. President Donald Trump gestures with a bloodied face after he was shot in the right ear during a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, U.S., July 13, 2024. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
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Trump is escorted off the stage by Secret Service personnel. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid

I think most of us don't have any major fault with his Secret Service detail, overall. The problem is with the SS in charge of security for the event.

They left Trump exposed to being shot not knowing if the was another shooter after being told "shooter down".

 

[Charlot123]

The third one, James Copenheur, came out with a statement today expressing his unwaving support for President Trump and stated that he looked forward to meeting with President Trump when he is physically able to. All three of the victims of the shooter were apparently ardent supports of President Trump.

I don't have a written link, this was discussed tonight during the televised coverage of the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee.

my thoughts were on a different track. People assume that only GOP who are 100% pro-Trump go to the rallies. But if I ever passed by rural Pennsylvania and saw a Trump rally, which never happen here, I’d attend out of sheer anthropological interest - is his effect on the crowd so magnetic? Why? Who are the people voting for him? What’s their viewpoint? So if SS assumed that the situation was more safe because of the type of people who usually attended, it was a mistake. Now, having been shot at that rally, JC is pro-Trump and a staunch supporter, I know.

 

[Inthedetails]

Without getting too out in the weeds... it can be difficult these days to spot said signposts because so many individuals are/can be chronically online. This can be problematic when it comes to developing a profile, or unearthing their motives.

It's no secret that many individuals of all walks of life for many different causes become radicalized online. An individual like this shooter may, or may not, have left a trail of problematic signposts online, yet when logged off just appeared to those who knew him to be a quiet and awkward, albeit polite, young man.

I'm not saying any of this necessarily describes him. I'm just saying, the internet vs reality can provide a sort of Jekyll & Hyde effect for individuals with sinister intentions.

Sure, but I listed things he is known to have done, not things that we guess he might have done online. He did threaten his school, he did research JFK assassination, he did fail to make rifle team, he did research top-level politicians.

FWIW, I don't think he was secretly radicalized but rather a "typical" school-shooter type who went for a splashy target to make sure he achieved as much disruption and fame as possible. I think he followed the pattern that other school-shooter types follow, except his target was different.

jmo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

How the Secret Service protects presidents — and what went wrong at the Trump rally

The Secret Service’s advance planning for public events is an intricate, multi-layered process. The Trump assassination attempt exposed potential missteps.

www.nbcnews.com

It typically starts with a meeting with campaign staffers and usually ends without incident — a presidential candidate striding off stage and being whisked to the next stop on the campaign trail.

But the U.S. Secret Service’s advance planning for what outwardly seems like a routine political event is actually an intricate, multilayered process. It typically involves several specialized and senior agents strategizing, assessing and approving a detailed protection mission behind the scenes for days ahead of time, according to five former agents and one current one who have been directly involved in such planning.

For an outdoor campaign event, a comprehensive security plan put into place by the agency generally runs smoothly, said the former agents, some of whom spoke anonymously to discuss security practices.

But last Saturday’s campaign rally that turned deadly in Butler Township, Pennsylvania — with multiple shots fired at former President Donald Trump and into a crowd, killing one man and critically wounding two others — underscores what can go wrong despite that detailed planning, the ex-agents said...

 

[neesaki]

He thought he was going to be back at work the next day, he thought he could shoot President Trump and then I'm assuming move on to President Biden, Princess Catherine, etc...I am seriously amazed, not in a good way, that he almost pulled it off with his first act! He did murder an innocent person and injured others, so his magical/fantastical thinking did become reality!

SMH

I’m actually wondering if he was delusional. Possibly undiagnosed Schizophrenia? He was at that age when it surfaces.

 

[justtrish]

Her glasses are on then off.
No photos in this link with them back on.

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Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. President Donald Trump gestures with a bloodied face after he was shot in the right ear during a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, U.S., July 13, 2024. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
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Trump is escorted off the stage by Secret Service personnel. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid

They left Trump exposed to being shot not knowing if the was another shooter after being told "shooter down".

These photos show that it isn't her height that is the problem, but perhaps they could have used another agent to be in the gap there between her and the agent beside her. Then the second photo appears they are going down stairs and I don't know how an agent in front of him could be tall as or taller than him when going down stairs.

I just don't see this as them leaving him exposed. They were moving toward the area they had fully secured and a shooter would have to be at the right angle in the front of him to hit him and SS had that area secured (it was the area behind Trump in the direction he was shot from that was the issue and all those agents behind him are ) Also the taller agents behind Trump still aren't shielding his entire head. A shooter that wants to take out a target would shoot one of those agents who would then fall/move and then shoot again to hit their target.

 

[Charlot123]

Looking into this further, even making a threat is a form of violence. The person making the threat scares other people, causes disruption, etc. For the moment, the person has control over others in that others have to react to the threat. The threat, even if a "joke" without an action plan, can be part of a timeline of escalation.

I found this in an FBI Academy doc (linked below):

"In general, people do not switch instantly from nonviolence to violence. Nonviolent people do not 'snap' or decide on the spur of the moment to meet a problem by using violence. Instead, the path toward violence is an evolutionary one, with signposts along the way. A threat is one observable behavior; others may be brooding about frustration or disappointment, fantasies of destruction or revenge, in conversations, writings, drawings, and other actions."

Keeping that description in mind, we see this shooter:
* Made a threat at his school, apparently
* Didn't make the rifle team at school (Did he want revenge? Did he brood for years about the rejection?)
* Researched JFK assassination (did he idolize Oswald and think his notoriety was achievable?)
* Conducted online searches of many top-level politicians (fantasy fodder?)

Here's the link to the FBI doc about school shooters, but note it is a PDF, not a website: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/stats-services-publications-school-shooter-school-shooter

People don’t switch from nonviolence to violence instantly, but people can make plans for the future, perfectly well knowing that this future ain’t going to be. Indication of “future-positivity” is worth little. To me, the fact that he planned to transfer to the University in February and didn’t do it is the most telling. Not sure that he made school threats. This very violence, at the rally, could well be his first one.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814343776212570135

 

[sunspun]

Thomas Matthew Crooks' Discord Profile Was Removed For Violation

The guy who tried assassinating Donald Trump had an active Discord account ... but he never mentioned violence or his murderous plans on the platform, TMZ has learned.

www.tmz.com

A Discord rep says ... "Based on our investigation, the suspect rarely used Discord and had not been active in months, and we found no evidence that he planned this incident, promoted violence, or discussed his political views on Discord."

<modsnip - copyright violation. See link.

That headline says his account was removed for violation, but then the part of the article quoted says he hardly used it, for one thing, and when he did, he said nothing violent or political. So what was the violation he was banned for? Or do they mean they removed his account after this incident? That would make sense, but the headline makes it sound like it was removed before.

 

[Inthedetails]

That headline says his account was removed for violation, but then the part of the article quoted says he hardly used it, for one thing, and when he did, he said nothing violent or political. So what was the violation he was banned for? Or do they mean they removed his account after this incident? That would make sense, but the headline makes it sound like it was removed before.

I think they mean they recently removed it. jmo

 

[whowy]

If the threat wasn’t taken seriously, it should have been. If I were a parent of a child at that school, I’d want such threats to be investigated rather than shrugged off.

And if TMC’s father was aware TMC had made such a threat against fellow classmates in the past, then there is NO EXCUSE for his permitting TMC access to his firearm without supervising his use of it.

Wonder whether TMC also researched Robert Crimo- the July 4th parade sniper who planned to get away with it by disguising himself. His father was charged because he enabled that shooter to buy firearms despite his known history of violent threats.

 

[margarita25]

Yes, President Trump has been in contact with Corey's family and he said that he was planning to go to the funeral today, but I haven't seen anything in the news about that yet. He wanted to go to pay his respects yesterday but the SS advised against it because of the large wooded area around the funeral home.

The family also shared Corey's fire-fighting uniform with President Trump so that it could be displayed in memory of him on the stage during President's remarks at the Republican National Convention last night.

President Trump also called for a minute of silence to honor and pay respects to Corey and the thousands of delegates and VIPs and guests went silent in response.


Edited to add: President Trump also spoke about the other two victims of the assassination attempt who are currently hospitalized.

Absolutely incredible, respectful salute to Mr. C (and the other shooting victims) last night.

 

[MassGuy]

That headline says his account was removed for violation, but then the part of the article quoted says he hardly used it, for one thing, and when he did, he said nothing violent or political. So what was the violation he was banned for? Or do they mean they removed his account after this incident? That would make sense, but the headline makes it sound like it was removed before.

It looks like he was banned after the fact:

TMC's profile has since been removed from the site, with the company citing a violation of "our off-platform behavior policy" ... adding, "We strongly condemn violence of any kind, including political violence, and we will continue to coordinate closely with law enforcement."