UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #6

[lee sumner]

On that basis and assuming the Met got JC right SJL knew 2 straight off, Jthey

She may have written about this stuff in the various diaries, including the old ones that she had kept. We don't know what was in them, but given she wrote that she was the most attractive female in the office, seated in the window for any man to see (which she did), it doesn't sound like she held a lot back. It also doesn't sound like they are necessarily reliable, because that bit was inaccurate. It's also possible there were so many names the police thought they'd no chance of tracing them all.

AS quoted from them a bit - mainly to give instances of her dyslexia - but all this told me was that when she wrote "Mr Kipper" in her desk diary, it's not at all clear that's what she meant to write. What actual name does someone with dyslexia mis-spell "Kipper"? One is reminded here of the dyslexic atheist who didn't believe in Dog.

Having a lot of blokes is like driving 100,000 miles a year. It shouldn't be dangerous, but unfortunately it is, in that it heightens the risk you encounter a nutcase. About 5% of people are psychopaths I think, so if you've been involved with 40 men, you've probably encountered about two of them. In fact, any woman may encounter many more, even if not that active. They can fake confident and charming, which means some unlucky women are attracted to them. They're mostly not murderers, but unlike the other 95% of men, there's a chance they are.

they said there was nothing significant in her diary, but they would say that. i would love to read SL diary out of curiosity.

 

[lee sumner]

Excellent point - indeed she did.

We don't know a lot about her backstory because it was known only via police inquiries, and perhaps via the diaries that were never made public. All we know is that DL wanted SJL's personal life suppressed; that the police said she "was a modern young woman"; and that some of what AS left out was "News of the World" material. This tells us little. DL would probably have regarded it as disgraceful if SJL was anything short of still a virgin at 25. The police remark could mean anything, so is meaningless. AS' comment is cryptic but could mean she was in demand and had a busy love life. If, as AS has reported, there was police speculation that SJL was "tomming it", this would fit with DL's dismay and his own NotW remark, but not with the police's own remark - so we can be sure that wasn't happening.

I was friends for a long time with someone whose body count was a few hundred. Underlying it, she was actually fixated on one bloke from her past whom she couldn't have. The rest were about as important as takeaway meals. There is a hint of something like this with SJL and DH, who was still in her life much later. If SJL was highly prolific then she could have had 200 encounters and hence met 10 psychopaths, or more than that if psychopaths were her "type" on brief inspection. Equally I wonder what DH knew about SJL's "secret life"...

yes, i wonder what AS left out of the book. what was SL secret that the news of the world would have loved. i have thought many times what was the material he left out of the book. i dont think it was anything sinister.

 

[lee sumner]

Couldn’t it be the other way round, DH is obsessed with SJL, she’s played him along and the Monday she disappeared she finally gives him the elbow.
AL had been elbowed on Friday, he wouldn’t have been best pleased, but (and this is pure speculation) DH would have been affected more by SJL finally ending it.

i get the impression that DH was the one for SL. was he the only man SL ever loved.

 

[Terryb808]

i get the impression that DH was the one for SL. was he the only man SL ever loved.

I think he probably was, but SJL wanted more and the more she wanted was wealth, property in the affluent part of London and a place in the country.
All these things DH couldn’t provide, however, it appears she may have met someone who could over the week / weekend before she disappeared.
It’s possible that she cut the ties with others like AL & DH (Friday & Monday).
There may have others, but one of these spurned partners most likely killed SJL.

 

[lee sumner]

I think he probably was, but SJL wanted more and the more she wanted was wealth, property in the affluent part of London and a place in the country.
All these things DH couldn’t provide, however, it appears she may have met someone who could over the week / weekend before she disappeared.
It’s possible that she cut the ties with others like AL & DH (Friday & Monday).
There may have others, but one of these spurned partners most likely killed SJL.

do you think SL had her eye on a wealthy man she had recently met. was this mystery man mr kipper.

 

[Terryb808]

do you think SL had her eye on a wealthy man she had recently met. was this mystery man mr kipper.

Answer yes, I think she did meet a wealthy man, he was in a position to give her what she wanted.
My personal view is that this wealthy man wasn’t Mr Kipper, but that’s just my opinion.

 

[lee sumner]

Answer yes, I think she did meet a wealthy man, he was in a position to give her what she wanted.
My personal view is that this wealthy man wasn’t Mr Kipper, but that’s just my opinion.

do you think SL was involved with a married man. was this a rumour or was it true. i believe she was involved with a married man, and im not surprised he did not come forward during the investigation. then there is DL who would not be happy hearing these things. i believe SL only told her mother what she wanted to hear.

 

[Terryb808]

do you think SL was involved with a married man. was this a rumour or was it true. i believe she was involved with a married man, and im not surprised he did not come forward during the investigation. then there is DL who would not be happy hearing these things. i believe SL only told her mother what she wanted to hear.

Separating rumours from fact is difficult and with this case probably impossible.
You’re going to have to do some serious digging to confirm she was seeing a married man.
IMO she was, but that’s just my view, I don’t think he had anything to do with her disappearance anyway.
Whoever did make SJL disappear did a good job, IMO that rules out both JC & SW who made no real effort to hide there victims.
Like everything, they could have just got lucky I suppose.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

A bit late in the day for me to ask this but are we sure that SJL wasn't deprived of any cash, funds, assets, valuables, or property at the time she disappeared.

I'm following the case of an international con man / romance scammer (disappearance of Marion Barter) and am wondering if SJL met someone like him (or even actually him).

 

[Terryb808]

A bit late in the day for me to ask this but are we sure that SJL wasn't deprived of any cash, funds, assets, valuables, or property at the time she disappeared.

I'm following the case of an international con man / romance scammer (disappearance of Marion Barter) and am wondering if SJL met someone like him (or even actually him).

It’s never too late to ask, she was doing some sort of deal. It was the subject of her last discussion with her father.
She didn’t reveal the details to him (or if she did AFAIK he never revealed them in public).
Again IIRC she said she’d reveal all when the deal was completed.
I can’t say for sure this is fact, but I understand that the deal involved a property and one of the strings attached was that she’d have to accept guests, a safe house was mentioned.
Now this sort of deal sounds very dodgy indeed, as I said I’m not 100% on the later part.
But after all this time I don’t think anything is ever going to be 100%.

 

[WestLondoner]

AIUI the police went into her financial situation in some depth. Other than noting the lifestyle she managed on OK money, there seemed nothing untoward.

At the party she attended on the last Saturday she did mention that she was expecting commission of £3,000. This has caused much speculation, but the simple and IMO likely explanation for it is that the Saturday was five days from payday. Estate agents charged around 2% of the house sale price back then. The agent who won an instruction would get about 15% of that as commission, as would the agent who actually sold it. So for her to be expecting a work-related commission of £3,000, she would only have to have sold £1,000,000 of property (or both won the instruction on and sold £500,000' worth, or some of one and some of the other). In that time and place, this would have been about three to six houses. Given the uneven timing of property sales, it's entirely plausible she could earn no commission in one month, and then £3,000 in the next. This looks to me like a complete explanation of where she was getting that money from, so it's another mystery that's not a mystery.

The fishy property transaction Terry mentions does not seem to have been elaborated on in any mainstream source, but from what we know of it, IMO it sounds far too complicated for Cannan. His approach seems to have been to pose in a suit and a rented car, then oil up to his targets with flowers, chocolates, warm champagne and other cliché tripe. People on his mental level imagine this to be suave and smooth, as opposed to embarrassing and naff. I can't see why he'd have bothered concocting anything as elaborate as a house deal to get SJL's attention, when all he ever did later was wear a suit and pretend to be prosperous.

 

[Pinkizzy]

New search launched for body of woman kidnapped, killed 54 years ago after being mistaken for Rupert Murdoch's wife

Two brothers kidnapped Muriel McKay in 1969 for a £1 million ransom -- thinking that she was Rupert Murdoch's second wife.

www.cbsnews.com

I guess SJL may have been mistaken for someone else.

 

[Terryb808]

New search launched for body of woman kidnapped, killed 54 years ago after being mistaken for Rupert Murdoch's wife

Two brothers kidnapped Muriel McKay in 1969 for a £1 million ransom -- thinking that she was Rupert Murdoch's second wife.

www.cbsnews.com

I guess SJL may have been mistaken for someone else.

This is an interesting case as it appears the deposition site was known all along, but not the exact location.
It shows (if they find her remains this time) just how difficult it is to locate a murder victim.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

If Muriel McKay is found where her killer claims she was buried, it will be a case where she was right under their noses but they never searched that exact spot.

It would be somewhat akin to Suzy being buried on Shorrolds or Stevenage Road, but not exactly where the police were looking.

 

[lee sumner]

This is an interesting case as it appears the deposition site was known all along, but not the exact location.
It shows (if they find her remains this time) just how difficult it is to locate a murder victim.

niza hosein always said he did not know what happened to mrs mckay after she was killed. he said he did not know what happened to her remains, but now decades later, he has given them a location. is this info true, or is he playing mind games.

 

[Terryb808]

niza hosein always said he did not know what happened to mrs mckay after she was killed. he said he did not know what happened to her remains, but now decades later, he has given them a location. is this info true, or is he playing mind games.

This is a case I’m not familiar with, if he’s playing games he’s a truly sick person.

 

[Cherwell]

The Hosein brothers had a pig farm and it was thought at the time, after no trace of Muriel was found, that they fed her body to the pigs. I particularly remember this as my mother's best friend farmed pigs and they discussed it avidly.

 

[Terryb808]

The Hosein brothers had a pig farm and it was thought at the time, after no trace of Muriel was found, that they fed her body to the pigs. I particularly remember this as my mother's best friend farmed pigs and they discussed it avidly.

That is interesting, again if this is the case he’s one hell of a sick person to let the family of the victim have hope of closure.

 

[WiseOwl]

The Hosein brothers had a pig farm and it was thought at the time, after no trace of Muriel was found, that they fed her body to the pigs. I particularly remember this as my mother's best friend farmed pigs and they discussed it avidly.

I too recall that Mrs McKay's body had been fed to the pigs. This came about because after searching around the farm for several weeks, the police could not find any trace of her. So, presumably, they did not come across any disturbed earth on the property that would of suggested a burial of some sort.

Apparantly the family are not happy with the police's search:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-07-18/muriel-mckays-daughter-criticises-police-for-searching-in-wrong-place

 

[tes1984]

That is interesting, again if this is the case he’s one hell of a sick person to let the family of the victim have hope of closure.

I think he's probably playing mind games. If Hosein knew the location of Muriel's body, he would have revealed it 1970.
He was attacked in prison by convicts, who tried to force the information out of him, so they could claim the reward money. Yet he said nothing. That makes me think he knew there was no body to be found.