FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #23

[Knitpicker]

I've been thinking about a gaping hole in Donna's expected defense.

It is anticipated that Donna's defense will rely on the argument that even if Charlie's extortion story was false, Donna subjectively believed it. That is, Donna honestly believed that the people who killed DM had also treatened to kill her son and his family members (including DA herself, her husband, her children, and her granchildren) if they were not paid "a third of a million dollars."

This defense lacks credibility for many reasons (e.g., it's inconsistent with the wire tap calls, DA never spoke a word about the potentially imminent threat to her husband or her daughter or counsel, the installment payments coincidentally stopped after the bump). In my view, however, the biggest problem with this defense is that DA and CA did not seek to pay off the extortionists IN FULL AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.

It's one thing if Chuck only had a certain amount of cash in his safe on the day of the murder. But that has nothing to do with whether CA and DA would be able to easily come up with remaining balance to get the target off the family's back as soon as humanly possible. The idea that wealthy DA and CA would choose to prolong their relationship with murderous extortionist by paying a few thousand bucks a month for several YEARS, is laughable.

We're not talking about a 0% APR car loan where it makes sense to stretch out the payments because it's not costing you any extra. We're talking about a debt supposedy owed to cold-blooded murderers who killed someone you know and have threatened to murder you and your loved ones if they don't get paid in full. We're also not talking about a family that lacks the resources to easily pay the amount in full.

To paraphrase Chuck on the Dolce wire: "If someone comes after my family, I don't care what I have to spend." Are we really to believe that mother dearest would opt to live under a threat for years as part of an extortion layaway plan? Of course not, because it's an asinine argument.

Seems like Donna and Harvey would have just paid it all off in cash and be done with it-but according to CA, they didn’t know about it till Donnas extortion 2016, right? As Donna signed Katie’s checks for 18 months…

 

[Niner]

Trial starting 7/23? Do you mean 9/23? Why if so, W-F omitted?

Yes - sorry - 9/23/24.....

 

[Snoop Sister]

DBM didn’t see correction of trial date before I posted

 

[Knitpicker]

Yes - sorry - 9/23/24.....

Are you sure the trial is starting on the 23rd? I thought it would start a day after Jury selection which would be Wed.7/18

 

[ch_13]

2 months before trial. Is that usual? Negotiations? More info he’s revealing to the state?

The judge's order only says to produce Rivera for the trial. It doesn't say to take him into custody today. The judge probably wrote it now because there's a lot of red tape involved in moving someone from Federal to State custody and his order is needed to get the ball rolling.

Are you sure the trial is starting on the 23rd? I thought it would start a day after Jury selection which would be Wed.7/18

I assume they anticipate more than one day for jury selection. I believe it took 3 days for CA's jury to be selected. There's also a weekend in there between the 17th and 23rd.

 

[Niner]

Are you sure the trial is starting on the 23rd? I thought it would start a day after Jury selection which would be Wed.7/18

Okay - we/you are getting JULY mixed up with September. Trial starts in September - well per my notes.
Jury selection starts Tuesday, September 17th probably thru Friday the 20th.
Trial begins on Monday, Sept. 23rd.

Next hearing I have is a status hearing on Monday, JULY 22nd.

edited to add - and a Status hearing on 9/12. And will probably have some motions between July & Sept. I would think...

 

[Knitpicker]

The judge's order only says to produce Rivera for the trial. It doesn't say to take him into custody today. The judge probably wrote it now because there's a lot of red tape involved in moving someone from Federal to State custody and his order is needed to get the ball rolling.


I assume they anticipate more than one day for jury selection. I believe it took 3 days for CA's jury to be selected. There's also a weekend in there between the 17th and 23rd.

Yes I know. If selection is Tue, then I figured we still had w, th, f. I didnt realize Charlie took 3 days. Prob to justify the 1 mil he paid to Dubin.

 

[Niner]

@PayrollNerd - when you have time - could you possibly look up & see if I have the correct dates for Donna Adelson's hearings & trial date. I tried getting into the Leon County court site - but I have no access. TIA!

 

[Sustained]

@PayrollNerd - when you have time - could you possibly look up & see if I have the correct dates for Donna Adelson's hearings & trial date. I tried getting into the Leon County court site - but I have no access. TIA!

For Leon County criminal court records, use this link and search by Criminal Name - it's free and no registration required.

Leon County Clerk of Courts Civil Case Search (leonclerk.com)

 

[Lorenathered]

@Niner - This is my first time attempting to view info on this court site so hopefully I grabbed the correct information - but as of right now, this is what is showing:

 

[PayrollNerd]

For Leon County criminal court records, use this link and search by Criminal Name - it's free and no registration required.

Leon County Clerk of Courts Civil Case Search (leonclerk.com)

I've never looked up anything for this case before so thank you for the link. Looking her up now to see what I can see!

This is what comes up under Donna Adelson. Case number is the same but ending digit is different.

Leon County Clerk Of Courts Public Web Site

 

[PayrollNerd]

37 2023 CF 003226 A
ADELSON, DONNA SUE
001 - MURDER - FIRST DEGREE
002 - CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FIRST DEGREE MURDER
003 - SOLICITATION TO COMMIT FIRST DEGREE MURDER

Ok, found the calendar, finally.



Docket:

 

[Niner]

For Leon County criminal court records, use this link and search by Criminal Name - it's free and no registration required.

Leon County Clerk of Courts Civil Case Search (leonclerk.com)

Thanks for the link - but I have no access - maybe cause I am in Europe....

37 2023 CF 003226 A
ADELSON, DONNA SUE
001 - MURDER - FIRST DEGREE
002 - CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FIRST DEGREE MURDER
003 - SOLICITATION TO COMMIT FIRST DEGREE MURDER

Ok, found the calendar, finally.

View attachment 518468

Docket:
View attachment 518466

THANKS!!! At least I know I have the correct dates!

 

[apeXperience]

“Instant cases are pending in this Circuit Court of Leon County”, dixit ASA Georgia Cappleman

Ten years ago on July 18th 2014, Dan Markel was murdered. To date, State labeled unindicted co-conspirator Wendi Adelson, Esq. is still free. Dr. Harvey Adelson, who’s alleged ex-post involvements have been discussed in court, is also still free. How much longer will it take for the whole justice for Dan Markel to materialize?

In the State Attorney’s petition for Luis Rivera’s writ of habeas corpus, ASA Georgia Cappleman wrote that “instant cases are pending”. Noticing that plural cases are pending, who’s cases are there besides the on-going Donna Adelson’s case

For one, both Wendi Adelson and Donna Adelson were listed as unindicted co-conspirator of the Dan Markel murder in Charles Adelson’s PCA dated April 2022. Donna Adelson has been indicted in November 2023. Shall we infer that a “Wendi Adelson case for first degree murder” is still pending at Florida's 2nd Judicial Circuit Court as one of those “instant cases”? This would contradict Donna Adelson’s assertion in the “jail calls” to the effect that “there is no more case, and Wendi is safe to speak to her brother Charlie” about other things besides their alleged respective roles related to the murder of their ex-in-law Dan Markel.

For two, it is alleged that Dr. Harvey Adelson along Donna Adelson traveled late at night after the murder, and went to the house where Katherine Magbanua slept with Dr. Charles Adelson to deliver the laundered (literally processed in the washing machine) $100K blood money still wet, and thereafter drove back home into the wee hours of the morning. Subsequently, Magbanua was “given” Dr. Harvey Adelson’s used Toyota Lexus and a steady monthly paycheck from Dr. Harvey Adelson’s dental practice while doing zero work for Dr. Harvey Adelson. Shall we infer that a “Dr. Harvey Adelson case for second degree murder” is still pending as the other case among “instant cases”? A second degree murder conviction carries 19 years prison term in the State of Florida. If convicted at 81, Dr. Harvey Adelson would be 100 when the prison term would be completed, which is not too bad in lieu of a first degree murder conviction given the alleged “birthday gift” he received in return for his alleged “investments.”

Moreover, subsequent inquiring of Luis Rivera might be useful while he is in the custody of the Leon County Sheriff for two months from Sept 9 to Nov 9, 2024. Above all, what are really hoped for more justice for Dan Markel are more cooperation from the trigger man Sigfredo Garcia, the assassin’s driver Luis Rivera, and the killer’s recruiter Katherine Magbanua. For example, if Luis Rivera or Sigfredo Garcia or Katherine Magbanua were to reveal how Sigfredo Garcia obtained Dr. Harvey Adelson’s cellphone number and what was the true intent (e.g. bargaining) of his missed call, more first degree murder arguments for the secret Grand Jury would avail.

 

[michelle230]

Been following this case avidly (love Carl Steinbeck!). Can anyone clarify..did Charlie know of Donna's plans to flee to Vietman a week after he was found guilty? Or did she plan to flee without his knowledge, abandoning him and leaving him to discover from his prison cell after she and Harvey had scarpered?
Also do we know for fact that Wendi has moved to Texas? Thanks...

 

[clearskies1]

@Niner - here is what I gather from the docket:

7/22/24: case management conference

9/12/24: pre-trial hearing (this date was set when the original trial date was set for 9/30/24. Now that the trial is moved up by 2 weeks to 9/17/24, maybe the pre-trial hearing will be moved up as well. Maybe this will addressed at the 7/22/24 cmc).

9/17/24: Jury selection/trial.

 

[Niner]

@Niner - here is what I gather from the docket:

7/22/24: case management conference

9/12/24: pre-trial hearing (this date was set when the original trial date was set for 9/30/24. Now that the trial is moved up by 2 weeks to 9/17/24, maybe the pre-trial hearing will be moved up as well. Maybe this will addressed at the 7/22/24 cmc).

9/17/24: Jury selection/trial.

Thank you for clearing that up for me! Much appreciated.

 

[STAGNUM]

This case won't be closed until all the guilty are jailed. I hope prosecutors are watching the entire clan.

 

[browneyes]

Wendi is the one I want prosecuted.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Have you all seen the discovery that is now partly up on You Tube from Donna’s phone? She was clearly so upset about Charlie’s verdict that she texted Wendi. We know we heard what she said when she didn’t think that the phone was hung up. She read what she texted to WA to the woman sitting in their condo- we have protected you and you have a lot to think about. Well, she wrote a whole lot more than that.

She texted Wendi and said your brother has always protected you, your lawyer has protected you and now you’re not guilty. Just bury me in the dress I was going to wear to Lincoln’s bar mitzvah. Lol. She is laying on the Jewish guilt she is so angry. They all know that they should not write anything, and Wendi was smart enough not to. She waited the whole night, didn’t come over, didn’t write back, and instead sent that text that Donna read to the woman at the condo about how she did nothing wrong and I know you’re upset about the verdict. She clearly waited to speak to her attorney before she sent that text.

I think Donna was just so upset, she didn’t care anymore. And I really think she thought she was potentially going to unalive herself, so she was just going to say what she thought. I think Wendi will absolutely be putting up the defense I expected. Will say she now realizes they went behind her back and it really was them. She’s going to say she didn’t know anything about it.