Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188

[mrjitty]

At this point I'm just hoping the pretrial evidentiary hearings happen as scheduled.

I wonder if the defence intend to call Judge Gull as a witness?

IMO

 

[photographer4]

I always felt that KA called R&B as soon as she hung up on RA after his confessions and told them exactly what he'd done. JMO

It could be both though, IDK.

I hope we do get to hear what he said he did. I’m curious how similar his statements may be to one another. Eg: did they evolve over time? How much detail did he include? Liars often give vague statements because they’re easier to remember later (imo). What else may have preceded any “confessions”? Eg: a talk with a gaurd? Taunting by his cell guard guy (other inmate)? If he had details only killer would know, what were they? Did he come up with them before or after some meeting with LE or guards or other inmates?

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Holeman told RA in their last talk before his arrest that they found his bullet where they found the girls remains. Then we had the conspiracy theory lovers claiming no COC and no photographs were taken of the bullet at the crime scene showing it being literally being taken out of the ground. Huh?

We don't even have the State's evidence yet, thank goodness we shall see at trial.

JMO

Agree but even if we look at how the defense attacked the unspent bullet evidence- not once have they brought up the timing of its discovery.

If I were defense I would be hammering that evidence if it had been found after the initial processing/release of the crime scene.

I’ve only heard murmurings from content creators trying to create conspiracy where none of exists IMO

We’ve been around this mulberry bush.
All my opinion.

 

[photographer4]

Holeman told RA in their last talk before his arrest that they found his bullet where they found the girls remains. Then we had the conspiracy theory lovers claiming no COC and no photographs were taken of the bullet at the crime scene showing it being literally being taken out of the ground. Huh?

We don't even have the State's evidence yet, thank goodness we shall see at trial.

JMO

Actually, wasn’t the info about the lack of evidence in chain of command from franks one last fall by the D? Big diff between saying conspiracy theorists put it out there vs the fact that RA’s lawyers asserted this. Since I have no link handy, mooooo. Pretty sure it was in Franks One last fall. I’ll find a link when time permits.

 

[grannygates]

IMO We’ve heard three stories about where the round was found - Ligget said between the bodies, Holeman said “under the dead girls foot” and the defense says 2 feet away, several inches underground. (Have I got that right?)

Friend of the state, Barb McDonald confirms on CourtTV that the bullet was found during the “re-securing” of the crime scene and confirms the bullet was found underneath the ground.

Joseph Scott Morgan says you can’t resecure a crime scene and asks what everyone wants to know… How long has that round been there? How are they connecting it to this crime? He states that scientifically, a qualified person could inspect the corrosion of the brass and dirt embedded and give a guess on how long it’s been there. Was this done? How did this round immediately bury itself several inches under the ground ? That would all need to be explained by a qualified person if I’m to believe this round is even related to this crime.

If the chain of custody exists, the state should just hand it over and defense wouldn’t be pointing out how none exists. IMO That appears to me to be the most blatantly obvious solution to curb that concern

All MOO

 

[grannygates]

Actually, wasn’t the info about the lack of evidence in chain of command from franks one last fall by the D? Big diff between saying conspiracy theorists put it out there vs the fact that RA’s lawyers asserted this. Since I have no link handy, mooooo. Pretty sure it was in Franks One last fall. I’ll find a link when time permits.

There was a motion in limine re:ballistics filed (I believe June 2023) but I haven’t been able to find a PDF of it to read it for myself.

 

[TTF14]

Actually, wasn’t the info about the lack of evidence in chain of command from franks one last fall by the D? Big diff between saying conspiracy theorists put it out there vs the fact that RA’s lawyers asserted this. Since I have no link handy, mooooo. Pretty sure it was in Franks One last fall. I’ll find a link when time permits.

Same thing, according to some who don't want to believe a word in the Franks memo.

IMO MOO

 

[photographer4]

I wonder if the defence intend to call Judge Gull as a witness?

IMO

Wouldn't that be some sort of conflict of interest since she is presiding? How would that work? Who would preside over her testimony?

 

[TTF14]

Wouldn't that be some sort of conflict of interest since she is presiding? How would that work? Who would preside over her testimony?

I think she'd have to recuse herself.

 

[photographer4]

Same thing, according to some who don't want to believe a word in the Franks memo.

IMO MOO

While I get what you're saying, it really is not the same thing! RA's lawyers have actual insight into the case against RA - to me, that ought to give what they say at least a bit more weight than what a content creator or basic citizen who wasn't there and isn't involved in the case has to say about any of it.

 

[photographer4]

I think she'd have to recuse herself.

This would make me laugh so hard. LMAO. She'd fight that to the end no doubt. Maybe that will be the next big "delay tactic" by the D?

I actually did wonder though if they could call the original judge to testify as to why he granted the original Search Warrant? Is that a thing? Does this happen?

 

[TTF14]

While I get what you're saying, it really is not the same thing! RA's lawyers have actual insight into the case against RA - to me, that ought to give what they say at least a bit more weight than what a content creator or basic citizen who wasn't there and isn't involved in the case has to say about any of it.

Oh, I agree with you!

 

[sunshineray]

Theoretically, they could file a SODDI motion with thst case as basis for a new third-party defense. Same rules apply, however. They'd have to meet the criteria for such. IMO a hard do.

JMO

In my earlier response to the OP the KY detective is quoted as saying...

"After investigating the tip, said cold case Det. Coy Cox, it was determined there was no connection."

I don't really see any way this could come in as a SODDI defense then?

Boone County detectives explore possible connection to Delphi murders - LINK nky

Cold Case detectives at the Boone County Sheriff’s Office recently received a tip that there may be a connection between the 2017 Delphi, Indiana murders of two girls and the 2011 killings of Bill and Peggy Stephenson of Florence. After investigating the tip, said cold case Det. Coy Cox, it was...

linknky.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think the defense would look very foolish popping out with a new SODDI theory after the huge effort to try and dupe people into believing their pagan story. It would just be further confirmation that the entire Odinist theory is a fraud.
They have zero credibility now.
My high school geometry teacher would grade the defense now as F minus 13. To her, it was possible to do worse than just fail.

 

[sunshineray]

IMO We’ve heard three stories about where the round was found - Ligget said between the bodies, Holeman said “under the dead girls foot” and the defense says 2 feet away, several inches underground. (Have I got that right?)

Friend of the state, Barb McDonald confirms on CourtTV that the bullet was found during the “re-securing” of the crime scene and confirms the bullet was found underneath the ground.

Joseph Scott Morgan says you can’t resecure a crime scene and asks what everyone wants to know… How long has that round been there? How are they connecting it to this crime? He states that scientifically, a qualified person could inspect the corrosion of the brass and dirt embedded and give a guess on how long it’s been there. Was this done? How did this round immediately bury itself several inches under the ground ? That would all need to be explained by a qualified person if I’m to believe this round is even related to this crime.

If the chain of custody exists, the state should just hand it over and defense wouldn’t be pointing out how none exists. IMO That appears to me to be the most blatantly obvious solution to curb that concern

All MOO

I'd by no means consider BM a friend of the State by any stretch of the imagination. MO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Actually, wasn’t the info about the lack of evidence in chain of command from franks one last fall by the D? Big diff between saying conspiracy theorists put it out there vs the fact that RA’s lawyers asserted this. Since I have no link handy, mooooo. Pretty sure it was in Franks One last fall. I’ll find a link when time permits.

Don't worry about finding a link, it wasn't in the first FM, which I didn't find credible overall, so it very may have been in subsequent repeat FM filings.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'd by no means consider BM a friend of the State by any stretch of the imagination. MO

Agreed. I liked BMcD in the beginning when she was covering the DTH episodes, she seemed fair and impartial and really seemed to bond with the families of Abby & Libby.

All of that changed when she jumped on the RL is guilty bandwagon. It seems like she has kind of faded from the main spotlight of players on the coverage these days (except an occasional tweet). I don't believe she has a relationship with LE or any of the girl's families anymore. That is my recollection from reading somewhere I can't recall or link so take it for what it's worth.

I think she is writing a book so she needs click$$$$ and like$$$$ to help sell it eventually.

All JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

This would make me laugh so hard. LMAO. She'd fight that to the end no doubt. Maybe that will be the next big "delay tactic" by the D?

I actually did wonder though if they could call the original judge to testify as to why he granted the original Search Warrant? Is that a thing? Does this happen?

Why would Judge Gull recuse herself? She's done nothing to recuse herself for according to the SCOIN. The D is mad because she's mean to them, hurts their fee fees and doesn't jokingly call them ding dongs too.

The PCA and SW aren't going anywhere no matter how hard the D tries to spin it. Why not just get their completely innocent client to Court and prove it as soon as possible??? Should be easy to do based on what they've reported around the gag order.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think she'd have to recuse herself.

Not going to happen IMO, she has been humiliated and treated like a joke by this Defense. I think she'll see this case through to the end. I don't blame her one bit.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

Why would Judge Gull recuse herself? She's done nothing to recuse herself for according to the SCOIN. The D is mad because she's mean to them, hurts their fee fees and doesn't jokingly call them ding dongs too.

The PCA and SW aren't going anywhere no matter how hard the D tries to spin it. Why not just get their completely innocent client to Court and prove it as soon as possible??? Should be easy to do based on what they've reported around the gag order.

JMO

That was what I was asking though - someone upthread asked if JG might be called as a witness for the D (on what, I actually wasn't sure, and didn't ask yet). And I asked, how this would work because wouldn't that be a conflict of interest given she is the presiding judge on the case? WHo would then preside over her testimony and questioning? So someone suggested she may have to recuse? So I am wondering, is this a thing? Can they actually call her to the stand somehow???