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For now I'm sticking to my theory that the shooter wanted a name for himself (and it's no small pleasure that the country seems united in refraining from using his name), and notoriety was his motive rather than making a political point.

jmo
 
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arielilane said:
@BrianEntin

Just got final trespass warning from the property where the shooter fired at former President Trump from. Won't cross the line again! Thankful to neighbors for letting us stay on their land that butts up to where shooting happened. Live from here for special at 10 on
@newsnation.


1:28 PM · Jul 25, 2024


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They should have secured the site before the rally. NOPE, it's a week after the fact and they secure the property.

Moo
 
I've been thinking about this more as well. It seems like this kid more or less wanted notoriety.

Many younger people don't have a fully-formed political ideology, although the recent high-profile elections have seemed to change this. I've actually worked with some middle schoolers who have their politics all figured out and then don't change at all over the next few years...and also work with some college students who have no idea about politics. It seems like the shooter was still figuring his political leanings out.

(And yes, there are people who change over time...remember, Hillary Clinton was a Republican in her teenage years!)

I feel the notoriety deal is much more of a motive. I've also noticed that almost all of the classmates they've interviewed are from his high school. There isn't a lot known about his college years. As I said in a post a few threads ago, issues like schizophrenia can come up around that age, although it seems quite surprising his parents wouldn't have seen anything given that they are both therapists and likely could have treated some things for him even with just talk therapy.

I'm also curious what his home life was like. Trauma can often bring out mental health issues. Parental-induced trauma is more common than you'd think.
 
Inthedetails said:
It sounds like a young man who was conservative but perhaps more concerned about covid protocols than what he saw among Republicans. (The shooter wore a mask after masks were no longer mandated, for example.) Many people have a mix of leanings, depending on the issue, so that is not particularly unusual.

I still don't see a political motive to the shooting, but, rather, a high-profile shooting. Maybe we'll learn more that will confirm one way or the other.

jmo
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I'm not sure the mask is significant. My sister is an RN, the facility she works still requires an n95 for all staff. Sister has become so accustomed to wearing a mask she often forgets to take it off till she gets home.
Moo
ETA... He worked on a nursing home. They probably required him to wear a mask at work.
 
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Inthedetails said:
For now I'm sticking to my theory that the shooter wanted a name for himself (and it's no small pleasure that the country seems united in refraining from using his name), and notoriety was his motive rather than making a political point.

jmo
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I'm not going to try to determine his motivations until investigations are much more complete and information comes directly from the investigators. Until then all options are on the table to be discussed.
 
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A comment or two about the masks: I had a student who still wore one well into 2023 because he liked that it hid his facial expressions from others. (His words, not mine).

Outside of that, I only know one other person who is still wearing one regularly; she works as a cashier and for all I know may be immunocompromised.

There's also a music venue that was still requiring them as recently as the spring around Pittsburgh. It's a little hole in the wall, not a Heinz Hall or something, but even the hospitals aren't big on them anymore around here.

Back in 2021, it was indeed a political statement to wear/not wear one for some people. It could have be political for the shooter, but it could have been something completely different.
 
FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Christopher Wray, the FBI director, has raised questions about whether Donald Trump was actually shot by a bullet during the assassination attempt against the former president earlier this month or whether he was instead struck by shrapnel.

During a hearing on Wednesday in Washington, before the House judiciary committee, Wray told lawmakers that it was not clear what precisely caused the injury to Trump’s ear.

[…]

“There’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear,” Wray testified. “As I sit here right now, I don’t know whether that bullet, in addition to causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else.”

[…]

www.theguardian.com

FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Ronny Jackson, former White House doctor who examined Trump after shooting, pushes back: ‘It was a bullet’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
It's not what he's saying. It's where he's saying it, that's disturbing to me. He's not posting this on the Daily Mail or NYP where back and forth is common. He's posting it in a site that's known for extremism. Yet, he's not posting extremist content, but he is posting contrarian views. So, he seems to be engaging with them in a contrarian way. So, that would make him a troll. This would show that he's got some real issues if it is really him.

It's not what he's saying, it's what he's doing. It just makes me feel dirty.

I remember the post on the gaming site a few weeks back only to find out it wasn't him.
 
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Trump monetizes assassination attempt by using photo as book cover

Now the photo will be used on the front of the Republican presidential nominee’s new tome, Save America, a book mainly of pictures …

The book, Trump’s third since leaving the White House in January 2021, is already being offered online for $99. Copies bearing the former president’s signature are being offered for $499.

www.theguardian.com

Trump monetizes assassination attempt by using photo as book cover

Former president further pushes self-mythology with new book and sneakers featuring shooting images
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Inthedetails said:
For now I'm sticking to my theory that the shooter wanted a name for himself (and it's no small pleasure that the country seems united in refraining from using his name), and notoriety was his motive rather than making a political point.
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I don't see a political motive for the shooter. I recently saw a former intelligence officer talking about the common spycraft practice of recruiting "the village idiot" and then manipulating them into doing whatever you need done. If this wasn't a kid seeking fame... he was the village idiot.
JMHO
 
Wray also said that authorities had conducted over 400 interviews in their investigation and planned to hold “many more.”
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FBI Director Says There's 'Some Question' Over What Struck Trump's Ear

Alternate source:
FBI Is Not Fully Convinced Trump Was Struck by a Bullet
FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination.
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Twice during the hours-long session, Wray told lawmakers that the FBI was still working to determine what exactly struck the former president on his right ear during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. "My understanding is that either it [a bullet] or some shrapnel is what grazed his ear,” Wray told Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-CA).
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I wonder what difference it makes to most people whether "it" was shrapnel or a bullet that hit Trump's ear??

Do most people think the gunman was firing aimlessly?! Was he just firing some nerf balls?! If so, you might want to have a conversation with the Comperatore family and the two men seriously injured. jmo
 
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lonetraveler said:
Does it really matter what actually hit his ear? It doesn't change the fact that someone was trying to assassinate Trump.
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Isn't is just part of all of the facts being disclosed?

Wray isn't sure if it was shrapnel or a bullet that caused the graze. They think they have accounted for all of the bullets.

It is a fact-finding mission and disclosure.
 
lonetraveler said:
Does it really matter what actually hit his ear? It doesn't change the fact that someone was trying to assassinate Trump.
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And don't forget the photo of the bullet whizzing by. If that bullet didn't graze him, then I'd be surprised that it came that close AND shrapnel then actually hit him. I feel like the bullet photo is good evidence that what grazed him was in fact that bullet. It doesn't matter to me either way though. We know the shooter shot several rounds at Trump and the trajectory can be determined based on where those who were shot were located. We have a photo of a bullet whizzing by his head. We know who the shooter was aiming for and what his goal was.
 
Let's see how the new director holds up with THREE hearing Tuesday.


WASHINGTON, July 24 (Reuters) - The acting director of the U.S. Secret Service will testify before three Senate committees on Tuesday in the aftermath of the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, the committees announced on Wednesday.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation will also testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is holding a hearing in partnership with the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
 
JennieM said:
FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Christopher Wray, the FBI director, has raised questions about whether Donald Trump was actually shot by a bullet during the assassination attempt against the former president earlier this month or whether he was instead struck by shrapnel.

During a hearing on Wednesday in Washington, before the House judiciary committee, Wray told lawmakers that it was not clear what precisely caused the injury to Trump’s ear.

[…]

“There’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear,” Wray testified. “As I sit here right now, I don’t know whether that bullet, in addition to causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else.”

[…]

www.theguardian.com

FBI director questions whether Trump was hit by bullet or shrapnel in shooting

Ronny Jackson, former White House doctor who examined Trump after shooting, pushes back: ‘It was a bullet’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Just my opinion, looking at the first pictures of Trump's bloody ear, it looked to me like he had either something round stuck in the upper edge of his ear or a hole in his ear. When objects break, they usually aren't perfectly round. I don't see a ragged piece of glass or shrapnel making a perfectly round hole.

Also, I don't remember seeing any reports of anything being broken by bullets that the shrapnel or glass could have come from.

Add this to the picture of the bullet whizzing by Trump's head at the level of his ear for further proof.
 
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