Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

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Sillybilly
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[Knitty]

Please continue here.

 

[TTF14]

All these claims of "glaring" made me think of an interview I saw where the Pattys were asked about being in the same courtroom as RA. You have to scroll down to see the full 9-minute interview (It's not in the video that plays at the top of this article).

'It's scary, just knowing that he was so close': Libby's family reacts to news of arrest

The family of Libby German is beginning to process the news from Indiana State Police that an arrest has been made stemming from her death.

www.wrtv.com

 

[sunshineray]

March 2023 Dr. G from ISP wanted to speak with RA. Dr. Walla indicated that she told RA she didn't think it was a good idea. They did not meet.

Dr. Walla took notes during RA's sessions, input them into the system and then shred the originals. She said that was typical for her. Walla doesn't work for Westville, she works for a subcontractor.

Mental Health at certain points in 2023:

March - Struggling
April 4th - Poor, deteriorating, "death would bring relief"
April 12th - Banging head on wall
April 13th - Consuming feces
April 21st - Concern competent to stand trial
May 3rd - RA wanted to Confess to her and began to do so in details
May 17th - Paranoia
July 11th - Saw Mental Health being restored in noticeable way

Dr. Walla said at times during her visits she thought RA might possibly be faking symptoms. At 47 minute mark on MS Podcast. Murder Sheet

I also find it coincidental that all of the more dramatic mental behavior came on in late March - May when the bulk of Discovery by the State was delivered to RA. 2 1/2 months of this behavior change and then in July the ship seemed to right itself and he was doing markedly better.

JMO

It was very telling, I believe, because after those 2 1/2 months of trying to confess to his family and hitting a brick wall, they stopped communications. RA destroys his tablet (used to make the calls) and asks Dr. W to get him a phone to use, she does, dials out to KA for him, comes back in the room and has to call out again (maybe KA disconected?) RA asks her to stay this time and listen as he confesses, tells his wife everything. After that they stop communications with him again, he confesses to Dr.W in detail. My take on what was said.

 

[vinayd]

I’m keen to believe RA found comfort in the gospels. Confess your sins one to another… so you may be healed (James 5:16)
Too bad his family didn’t want to hear it.

I listened to the MS episode this morning. Listening to Defense Diaries now. #balance

 

[girlhasnoname]

It was very telling, I believe, because after those 2 1/2 months of trying to confess to his family and hitting a brick wall, they stopped communications. RA destroys his tablet (used to make the calls) and asks Dr. W to get him a phone to use, she does, dials out to KA for him, comes back in the room and has to call out again (maybe KA disconected?) RA asks her to stay this time and listen as he confesses, tells his wife everything. After that they stop communications with him again, he confesses to Dr.W in detail. My take on what was said.

Yes, I had another transcribed post but the thread closed and it went poof along with it. LOL

According to Dr. W. she did get a phone for RA to call his wife and dialed the number and left the room. RA spoke for a minute and when Dr. W came back in he asked her to call his wife back and to stay and listen to the conversation, which she did.

His family did not want RA to confess, kept discouraging him from confessing, including hanging up on him when he talked about it and finding God, and wanted him to fight the charges. They kept saying he had been brain washed, etc.

I'm linking again because of the new thread. This happens at approx 1:02 mark.

Murder Sheet

 

[MiniMoo]

@sunshineray

"MS also mentioned this in tge podcast I just posted. Aine said he was glaring back at a lot of people and at one point held her gaze. She said it made her think is this what the girl's last saw? She also noticed him staring at the victim's family members. Aine used the words, it was very odd behavior."

It was the lady from MS that brought it up on TVCOURT - so the same one.

 

[MiniMoo]

@grannygates

#189 : "Oh man, this is why I hate that we can’t watch the hearings ourselves and we’re forced to listen to these podcasters trying to create drama to sell their shows. No one else who was present has reported that story or claim. MOO"

Couldn't agree with you more!

When it comes to the trial we are only going to get the highlights, summaries or what stood out most of all on the day rather than everything as it unfolds without anything being filtered.

 

[mrjitty]

Just catching up ... oh boy....

As ever, I wonder if various actors are having regrets hitching their wagon to this case

MOO

 

[Niner]

Okay - maybe someone here can help me... from my notes:
*State’s Motion for Admissibility (filed May 6, 2024) [will be discussed on 8/1]
*Defense Motion to Suppress Second Statement (filed April 15, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]
*State’s Objection to Defendant’s Motion to Suppress (filed April 15, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]
*Defendant’s Motion to Compel & Motion for Sanctions (filed April 23, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24].
*Defendant’s Motion to Vacate Safekeeping Order (filed May 13, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24].
*State’s Motion in Limine (filed April 28, 2024)
*Defense Response to State’s Motion in Limine
*Defendant’s Second Motion to Dismiss (filed May 20, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24/withdrawn by defense/7/31/24]
*State’s Response to Defendant’s Second Motion to Dismiss (filed June 9, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]

The bold in red - does anyone know what the Motion in Limine is about? Have they discussed this yet - as an article posted on the closed thread said:
1 more day of hearings in Delphi. Today the prosecutor is asking the judge for the ability to keep information from the jury. They want to suppress statements by the defense team that points to an alternate theory that someone else committed the murders.

Which I believe is the #1 item in my list above.

TIA if anyone can help!

 

[TTF14]

Okay - maybe someone here can help me... from my notes:
*State’s Motion for Admissibility (filed May 6, 2024) [will be discussed on 8/1]
*Defense Motion to Suppress Second Statement (filed April 15, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]
*State’s Objection to Defendant’s Motion to Suppress (filed April 15, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]
*Defendant’s Motion to Compel & Motion for Sanctions (filed April 23, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24].
*Defendant’s Motion to Vacate Safekeeping Order (filed May 13, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24].
*State’s Motion in Limine (filed April 28, 2024)
*Defense Response to State’s Motion in Limine
*Defendant’s Second Motion to Dismiss (filed May 20, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/30/24/withdrawn by defense/7/31/24]
*State’s Response to Defendant’s Second Motion to Dismiss (filed June 9, 2024) [Under Advisement/7/31/24]

The bold in red - does anyone know what the Motion in Limine is about? Have they discussed this yet - as an article posted on the closed thread said:
1 more day of hearings in Delphi. Today the prosecutor is asking the judge for the ability to keep information from the jury. They want to suppress statements by the defense team that points to an alternate theory that someone else committed the murders.

Which I believe is the #1 item in my list above.

TIA if anyone can help!

Motion in Limine

drive.google.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

Throwback Thursday #TBT
Justice for Abby and Libby

While the case against the girls’ suspected killer pushes on, Kelsi German — sister of Libby — reminds everyone to remember the girls behind the headlines. The ones who never came back across the Monon High Bridge and whose families have to relive the heartache day-after-day as they await answers and pray for justice.

“As the next couple of days pass, please share these faces. They’re the ones we want to see ,” Kelsi posted on X, formerly Twitter.

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/7-years-ago-abby-and-libbys-young-lives-were-cut-short/

 

[ClearAhead]

Judge rules Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen to be moved to county jail

It is not yet known where Allen will be housed or when he will be moved to a new jail.

www.wthr.com

“…..An icy relationship between Judge Gull and Richard Allen’s defense teams seems to have thawed. After many months of conflict and contentious interactions – including Gull and Allen’s lawyers asking the Indiana Supreme Court to remove the other from the case – both sides have displayed nothing but professionalism, patience and courtesy throughout the first two days of pre-trial hearings. At one point during Wednesday’s hearing, Gull and defense attorney Brad Rozzi were smiling at one another and seemed to be sharing a lighter moment during a brief meeting between the judge and attorneys.

While the climate is improving inside the courtroom, Rozzi could not catch a break outside the courthouse. He left Tuesday’s hearing to discover Carroll County law enforcement had issued him a parking ticket for parking along the Courthouse Square for more than two hours.”

 

[TTF14]

While the climate is improving inside the courtroom, Rozzi could not catch a break outside the courthouse. He left Tuesday’s hearing to discover Carroll County law enforcement had issued him a parking ticket for parking along the Courthouse Square for more than two hours.”

That tracks!

 

[steeltowngirl]

Other notes from Wednesday's hearing​

The prison psychologist assigned to treat Allen while he served time at the Westville Correctional Facility testified that she has long been fascinated by the Delphi murders and that she and her boyfriend traveled together to Delphi so they could visit the crime scene and stand on the Monon High Bridge prior to learning of Allen’s arrest.

Dr. Monica Wala said she frequently listens to true crime podcasts about the Delphi murders case during her commute to the Westville prison and has commented on social media about which of those podcasts she recommends. She also admitted she used her IDOC-issued computer to research other people mentioned as having possible involvement in the murders, a possible violation of department policy.

Wala testified that she also spoke with Allen about the positive comments she has read online from his supporters, and she advised him not to discuss his possible involvement in the murders with anyone other than his defense attorneys. Asked by Rozzi if her actions presented a conflict of interest and ethical problems, Wala responded “I disagree.”

Judge rules Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen to be moved to county jail

It is not yet known where Allen will be housed or when he will be moved to a new jail.

www.wthr.com

 

[TTF14]

Always enlightening to read the comments.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Always enlightening to read the comments.

Yep. The comments remove any doubt that RA can, and will, receive a fair trial in front of a jury of peers who will be able to acquit, should the evidence not be presented BARD to convict.

jmo