Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #11

[AussieSherlock]

I have a little theory of why he isn’t maybe talking … just IMOO but what if the accused is part of a neo nazi group (remember the disturbing neo narzi march through Ballarat in December ‘23 last year of mainly if not all young men wearing black and balaclavas and masks ?)
Source : Outrage in Ballarat at white supremacist march, 15yo questioned over banned Nazi salute - ABC News

And the attack on hikers in 2021 at the Grampians, Victoria , led by well known neo nazi Thomas Sewell , and also Jacob Hersant
Source: Neo-Nazis walk free from court, spared further jail time over attack on Victorian hikers

And Neo-Nazis go bush: Grampians gathering highlights rise of Australia’s far right

Side note; Jacob Hersant Is an electrician too I believe or at least was to be undertaking an electrician apprenticeship as a side note as noted in the court docs from that case https://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au...4/DPP v Sewell DPP v Hersant 2024 VSCA 70.pdf
(But not sure if that has much to do with things but interesting same possible career as the accused..)

Anyway my theory for a little while now is that our accused is part of this disturbing following , and this could possibly explain why he is silent and not talking (can’t betray his fellow member who maybe assisted him). Perhaps the accused’s family dobbed him in knowing he was linked to neo nazis. Perhaps they’re in hiding now . The link to Ballarat and the march through the town and the attack on hikers and that these followers tend to be white young fit men of the same age, just really has not sat well with me. But just my own opinion and a little left field but JMOO.

What if Sam filmed something that morning and was attacked ? Or what if the accused had assistance in hiding her body.

I guess we shall see what unfolds but this could explain why the accused is not talking if it’s the case . Doesn’t want to
spill details out of sheer loyalty , I don’t know.

Also, ABC posted an article 3 days ago too on “Active Clubs” and neo nazi extremism Active Clubs and white supremacy groups targeting young men a 'threat to social cohesion' in Australia - ABC News

I hope it’s not the case but could explain some things ,JMOO

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I have a little theory of why he isn’t maybe talking … just IMOO but what if the accused is part of a neo nazi group (remember the disturbing neo narzi march through Ballarat in December ‘23 last year of mainly if not all young men wearing black and balaclavas and masks ?)
Source : Outrage in Ballarat at white supremacist march, 15yo questioned over banned Nazi salute - ABC News

And the attack on hikers in 2021 at the Grampians, Victoria , led by well known neo nazi Thomas Sewell , and also Jacob Hersant
Source: Neo-Nazis walk free from court, spared further jail time over attack on Victorian hikers

And Neo-Nazis go bush: Grampians gathering highlights rise of Australia’s far right

Side note; Jacob Hersant Is an electrician too I believe or at least was to be undertaking an electrician apprenticeship as a side note as noted in the court docs from that case https://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-04/DPP v Sewell DPP v Hersant 2024 VSCA 70.pdf
(But not sure if that has much to do with things but interesting same possible career as the accused..)

Anyway my theory for a little while now is that our accused is part of this disturbing following , and this could possibly explain why he is silent and not talking (can’t betray his fellow member who maybe assisted him). Perhaps the accused’s family dobbed him in knowing he was linked to neo nazis. Perhaps they’re in hiding now . The link to Ballarat and the march through the town and the attack on hikers and that these followers tend to be white young fit men of the same age, just really has not sat well with me. But just my own opinion and a little left field but JMOO.

What if Sam filmed something that morning and was attacked ? Or what if the accused had assistance in hiding her body.

I guess we shall see what unfolds but this could explain why the accused is not talking if it’s the case . Doesn’t want to
spill details out of sheer loyalty , I don’t know.

Also, ABC posted an article 3 days ago too on “Active Clubs” and neo nazi extremism Active Clubs and white supremacy groups targeting young men a 'threat to social cohesion' in Australia - ABC News

I hope it’s not the case but could explain some things ,JMOO

Interesting theory. I posted one some time ago but it was removed and I'm not going to waste my time reposting it, only for it to be removed again. But rest assured I won't hold back with an 'I told you so' if it ends up being the case.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Interesting theory. I posted one some time ago but it was removed and I'm not going to waste my time reposting it, only for it to be removed again. But rest assured I won't hold back with an 'I told you so' if it ends up being the case.

Not long now is the start ... I think there is more to this...

I find it quite interesting that police have relatively easily found her phone in pretty good nick and other items of interest in a private dam, when there were other ways for the phone to never be found.

Why wasn't her phone dumped with her body ? That's the easiest way and harder to find. If he killed her, and he dumped her body, you would throw Samantha's belongings including her phone with her, all in one go.
To me, I find that interesting, that's not the case here

And how long that phone has been in the dam and any other items as well, If they were placed in there after March 6, then someone else is involved, likewise If they can't get mobile cell data off the accused phone being at the dam either.
But police are finding it extremely difficult to locate Samantha's body, there seems a lot of effort done in making sure she won't be found, they can't even find her shoe in the bush
Police have kept quiet on what her running shoes are like, what brand, what colour etc
And the date and time is not on the still CCTV picture of Samantha
Someone though has given police information to search that particular dam
A lot of Forensics and Digital Intelligence is the high focussed with this case, with her body not located

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Not long now is the start ... I think there is more to this...

I'm almost certain there is more to this.

I don't think this was a thrill kill and because poor Samantha's body is proving so hard to find, I'm thinking more and more it was premeditated.

It is obviously in Stephenson's best interests to remain silent in the absence of a body because it makes it hard for a guilty verdict - depending of course on what evidence the police have. But I still think Stephenson may have acted 'with the knowledge of others' and that part of the reason for his silence is fear of reprisal.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I'm almost certain there is more to this.

I don't think this was a thrill kill and because poor Samantha's body is proving so hard to find, I'm thinking more and more it was premeditated.

It is obviously in Stephenson's best interests to remain silent in the absence of a body because it makes it hard for a guilty verdict - depending of course on what evidence the police have. But I still think Stephenson may have acted 'with the knowledge of others' and that part of the reason for his silence is fear of reprisal.

I think this was a deliberate-planed hit on Samantha

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I think this was a deliberate-planed hit on Samantha

Yep and if I listen hard enough, I reckon I can hear a motor bike.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Yep and if I listen hard enough, I reckon I can hear a motor bike.

Could easily be involved

 

[Andieinsyd]

Yep and if I listen hard enough, I reckon I can hear a motor bike.

Got to admit have had similar thoughts myself, although not wedded to it at all. But I hear you about the effectiveness of hiding Sams body - doesn’t seem to align with a disorganised opportunity or rage type murder. But it could just be that this defendant has a very good knowledge of the area and was able to quickly hide her body somewhere very difficult to find. I hate that for Sam and her family. MOO

 

[AussieSherlock]

Not long now is the start ... I think there is more to this...

I find it quite interesting that police have relatively easily found her phone in pretty good nick and other items of interest in a private dam, when there were other ways for the phone to never be found.

Why wasn't her phone dumped with her body ? That's the easiest way and harder to find. If he killed her, and he dumped her body, you would throw Samantha's belongings including her phone with her, all in one go.
To me, I find that interesting, that's not the case here

And how long that phone has been in the dam and any other items as well, If they were placed in there after March 6, then someone else is involved, likewise If they can't get mobile cell data off the accused phone being at the dam either.
But police are finding it extremely difficult to locate Samantha's body, there seems a lot of effort done in making sure she won't be found, they can't even find her shoe in the bush
Police have kept quiet on what her running shoes are like, what brand, what colour etc
And the date and time is not on the still CCTV picture of Samantha
Someone though has given police information to search that particular dam
A lot of Forensics and Digital Intelligence is the high focussed with this case, with her body not located

Agree it’s all a bit strange - unless maybe the accused has help (again my theory is above of who that may be linked to) and then maybe the phone in the dam is just a rouse to get the accused talking as maybe he didn’t dispose of her body or the phone etc so maybe by showing him in jail the footage of police finding it was just to make him talk. As otherwise how would they just happen to chance upon this damn, with the tech dogs. Unless a witness saw something there of course , or a last data ping nearby (or her Apple Watch GPS?) and they went to look and used the tech dog to find it thereafter.

If it’s legitimately her phone I do so hope they recovered something

Maybe coming off this bender the night before and sleeping it off in his vehicle in the bush he saw Sam and attacked her , etc or perhaps she saw his vehicle in the bush and took a photo of it on her phone and he saw and then attacked her . Or gosh who knows . But again I think he had help hiding her body and those ”helpers” are in my theory above and hence why he is staying silent (loyalty) .

I’m wondering where the accused’s family is now , - understandably got out of Ballarat but it seemed all very fast.

Keen to see how this all unfolds …

 

[Dotta]

I have always thought it was random and involved only 1 perp
but, honestly,
anything is possible.

His persistent silence and no body found is baffling.
Especially,
as he has this fancy lawyer,
who should have convinced him it would be better to disclose where the body is.
(Parole, etc)

Provided, of course,
that Police have enough evidence of guilt.

If the evidence is only circumstantial,
then no wonder he is as silent as a grave.

PS
Nobody else has been arrested/charged.
Which is strange if he didn't act alone.

Time will tell.

JMO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I have always thought it was random and involved only 1 perp
but, honestly,
anything is possible.

His persistent silence and no body found is baffling.
Especially,
as he has this fancy lawyer,
who should have convinced him it would be better to disclose where the body is.
(Parole, etc)

Provided, of course,
that Police have enough evidence of guilt.

If the evidence is only circumstantial,
then no wonder he is as silent as a grave.

PS
Nobody else has been arrested/charged.
Which is strange if he didn't act alone.

Time will tell.

JMO

Depends on what the police have on him, If it's damning evidence, and he knows 'he's up the creek without a paddle' someone else is involved, he could spill a lot of beans during the court proceedings
If this is the case, maybe a ploy the police are waiting on..

 

[Dotta]

"The alleged killer of Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy
is expected to tune into his next court appearance from a prison office.

Patrick Orren Stephenson, 22,
will front the Ballarat Magistrates' Court on Thursday over the alleged murder of Ms Murphy.

Sources have told that Stephenson is unlikely to make the trip from the Melbourne Assessment Prison in the heart of Melbourne's CBD
to Ballarat
for the short administrative hearing.

Instead he is scheduled to be beamed into court via video link from the prison,
where he is understood to be housed in a highly secure protection unit."

Major update on Sam Murphy's alleged killer as body remains unfound

The alleged killer of Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy is expected to tune into his next court appearance from the comfort of a prison office.Â

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Whatson]

I have a little theory of why he isn’t maybe talking … just IMOO but what if the accused is part of a neo nazi group (remember the disturbing neo narzi march through Ballarat in December ‘23 last year of mainly if not all young men wearing black and balaclavas and masks ?)
Source : Outrage in Ballarat at white supremacist march, 15yo questioned over banned Nazi salute - ABC News

And the attack on hikers in 2021 at the Grampians, Victoria , led by well known neo nazi Thomas Sewell , and also Jacob Hersant
Source: Neo-Nazis walk free from court, spared further jail time over attack on Victorian hikers

And Neo-Nazis go bush: Grampians gathering highlights rise of Australia’s far right

Side note; Jacob Hersant Is an electrician too I believe or at least was to be undertaking an electrician apprenticeship as a side note as noted in the court docs from that case https://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-04/DPP v Sewell DPP v Hersant 2024 VSCA 70.pdf
(But not sure if that has much to do with things but interesting same possible career as the accused..)

Anyway my theory for a little while now is that our accused is part of this disturbing following , and this could possibly explain why he is silent and not talking (can’t betray his fellow member who maybe assisted him). Perhaps the accused’s family dobbed him in knowing he was linked to neo nazis. Perhaps they’re in hiding now . The link to Ballarat and the march through the town and the attack on hikers and that these followers tend to be white young fit men of the same age, just really has not sat well with me. But just my own opinion and a little left field but JMOO.

What if Sam filmed something that morning and was attacked ? Or what if the accused had assistance in hiding her body.

I guess we shall see what unfolds but this could explain why the accused is not talking if it’s the case . Doesn’t want to
spill details out of sheer loyalty , I don’t know.

Also, ABC posted an article 3 days ago too on “Active Clubs” and neo nazi extremism Active Clubs and white supremacy groups targeting young men a 'threat to social cohesion' in Australia - ABC News

I hope it’s not the case but could explain some things ,JMOO

Your theory has merit. There is online, a photo of the accused in what appears to be a school setting, where by they display the "ok hand" gesture, upside down.

I only became aware of this symbols meaning after the Christchurch Massacre killer displayed it in their first court appearance.

I believe it is supposed to stand for "White Power"

 

[Dotta]

But what does this "White Power" have to do with Samantha?

She was just a woman who went for a morning run.

As other women joggers who were attacked all over the world.
As WS threads show us

 

[Whatson]

But what does this "White Power" have to do with Samantha?

She was just a woman who went for a morning run.

As other women joggers who were attacked all over the world.
As WS threads show us

Yeah, don't really feel it myself either. Just pointing out the fact.

The driving home drunk after picking up car from the residence it was left at the night prior and then hitting and deciding to kill a dieing person seems more likely to me.

 

[AussieSherlock]

But what does this "White Power" have to do with Samantha?

She was just a woman who went for a morning run.

As other women joggers who were attacked all over the world.
As WS threads show us

It may have zero to do with the actual crime committed by the accused (if he is of course proven guilty that he did murder her and it was intentional and not an accident as police have said) but something to do with him getting assistance after the crime eg help hiding a body etc, which could explain a reason for not talking (doesn’t want to name names etc) out of loyalty.

Also did he have army connections or wear camouflage gear on his motorbike I recall once reading a neighbour mentioning or am I getting my cases crossed ? As many of the neo nazi groups also wear this (army fatigues). Again the march in ballarat late last year which I put a source link to in my earlier post, the attack on hikers in the Grampians (a few years ago but still of interest as they attacked people filming them). Perhaps Sam saw something . Perhaps she filmed something (that then went to the cloud if linked via her phone ). Perhaps this evidence is what police have . And maybe he had zero assistance hiding her body and phone etc if it was him who killed her, but maybe he did . Coming down from a bender and maybe acting out against Sam and then suddenly panic, makes some calls, gets some help. Perhaps they use an encrypted service to message one another if involved in such a group so that they are less likely to be tracked by police. Perhaps police don’t know enough and hence tried the phone found in the dam idea (or maybe it was legitimately her phone) and are watching possible accomplices to see if any talk . Eg maybe it was not her phone , and by putting that out there they may hear or see comms of possible accomplices talk “that’s not where the phone was dumped”, etc. just reminds me of the recent Greg Lynn case with the car awning and him being recorded washing the tv and then seen removing it next. Sure I’m going on a tangent but it’s just my little theory as to who could have helped him and why he is silent as otherwise it’s pretty impressive to have stayed this silent all this time and would serve as possible strong motivation to for him. They also tend to be somewhat violent I’ve read , and so that could also explain things. jMOO

We shall see what unfolds , I could be totally wrong …

 

[AussieSherlock]

Your theory has merit. There is online, a photo of the accused in what appears to be a school setting, where by they display the "ok hand" gesture, upside down.

I only became aware of this symbols meaning after the Christchurch Massacre killer displayed it in their first court appearance.

I believe it is supposed to stand for "White Power"

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Oh wow ok that’s interesting , do you have a link to the photo or can attach?

 

[AussieSherlock]

Oh wow ok that’s interesting , do you have a link to the photo or can attach?

Oh wait I think I found it , can I attach a zoom in here of just him from the photo ? It was from the Damascus college in a photo from 2019 on their FB page yes? Indeed he is making a hand symbol with his right hand whilst kneeling down, the hand symbol is just like the photo you posted above @Whatson , wow. … should I attach cropped in on him or that’s against WS ?

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Trying to think outside of the square - not my long suit - maybe Stephenson didn't even run into Samantha with his car? Perhaps his car was already coincidentally damaged but because that was a distinguishing feature of the car, the police made public mention of it.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Yep and if I listen hard enough, I reckon I can hear a motor bike.

Interesting. Could explain the silence and the family fleeing so fast, but I'd ask myself, why him? A hot headed 22 year old would not be my first choice. Initiation perhaps?

Your theory has merit. There is online, a photo of the accused in what appears to be a school setting, where by they display the "ok hand" gesture, upside down.

I only became aware of this symbols meaning after the Christchurch Massacre killer displayed it in their first court appearance.

I believe it is supposed to stand for "White Power"

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I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but this could just be a game. Several years ago, I don't recall how many, this was a symbol used by kids to punch each other. You had to display the ok symbol below your waist, and if you could get the other person to see it, you got to punch them. Fun times! I'm sure the young boys participating had no idea of its other meaning.

All MOO of course.