Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead #2

[Arkay]

Mandated reporter definitions vary significantly from state to state. In some states all adults are mandatory reporters. Also technically we do not know if ES reported anything prior to PS’s death. As a physician mom who has reported non patient (and in my case also non spouse or relative) reports and watched CPS presumably screen it out multiple times until the unthinkable happened, CPS doesn’t always intervene appropriately.

Respect for your position.

In my state, NY, as a teacher I was a mandated reporter. Anytime, I mean anytime at all that a child told us or wrote in an essay something that suggested harm, it was my duty to report it.

It was not my duty to investigate it, but we all had to have a documented trail of the child’s allegations and steps we took to report… to the guidance counselor, the principal etc.

My students were 8th graders and could speak for themselves, unlike a younger child.

Since the mother here knew CS was habitually endangering his daughters, I wonder if she took steps, concrete steps, to report it to LE or court. There would be a paper trail.

IMO the evidence suggests she did not. She scolded him, uselessly.

If she wasn’t mandated as an Arizona physician, IMO the law of being a mother should’ve made her desperate to get the children out of danger.

JMO

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

Respect for your position.

In my state, NY, as a teacher I was a mandated reporter. Anytime, I mean anytime at all that a child told us or wrote in an essay something that suggested harm, it was my duty to report it.

It was not my duty to investigate it, but we all had to have a documented trail of the child’s allegations and steps we took to report… to the guidance counselor, the principal etc.

My students were 8th graders and could speak for themselves, unlike a younger child.

Since the mother here knew CS was habitually endangering his daughters, I wonder if she took steps, concrete steps, to report it to LE or court. There would be a paper trail.

IMO the evidence suggests she did not. She scolded him, uselessly.

If she wasn’t mandated as an Arizona physician, IMO the law of being a mother should’ve made her desperate to get the children out of danger.

JMO

We do know that she advocated forcefully at the bond hearing for him to be returned to the home. (Video linked in 1st thread). It was also reported in prior thread that the 5 and 9 year olds were told by both parents what to say to LE - CS is good dad, accident, etc. It's witness tampering but no one in authority has acted. JMOOO.

 

[Artis]

I missed it too. His wife KNEW he had a problem and let him drive with their children in the car.

The documents also show more text conversations between Erika and Chris. On March 11 in one message Erika writes:

“You haven’t shown you can stop putting the girls in danger or treating me badly. Even yesterday you drove home drunk with two minors. You drink to excess every time. I have been asking for three years for you to cut back but it's actually gotten worse.”

On March 21st she wrote: “Why were you going 138 with our baby in the car with alcohol in your system?

Chris responded: “You hate me. She was sleeping it’s fine.”

New information released on death of two-year-old Marana girl left in hot car

TUCSON, Ariz. (KVOA) — New information on the death of a two-year-old Marana girl left in a hot car.

www.kvoa.com

I know that sociopaths (ASPD) can often be very charming, which is how they get away with their manipulation, but I see NOTHING remotely charming or attractive in that a-hole and Dr Mom is very good looking. We know she's dysfunctional but, man, that guy is such an unattractive loser. Maybe her father was an abusive alcoholic enabled by her mother. Something is sure wrong with her.

 

[Artis]

ES Absent from Hearing?

@MsMarple Interesting point. Yes, ES spoke at hearing on lesser charges.

If she had attended this hearing, I wonder if she would have been permitted to address the court. Seems the gist her argument would have been similiar to her prior stmt.

W. M-1 allegations about shoplifting beer, plus previous ones about car-as-parenting-restraining device & its frequency, etc., IDK how ES (or anyone) could keep a straight face while repeating the Pillar of the Community line.

And btwn the hearings, MSM & soc media highlighted CS' history w child custody & support issues w his dau from earlier relationship, which certainly was NOT his FINEST HOUR.
Sadly, it appears all that daughter-centric wrangling was Not his WORST HOUR.
imo

double post

 

[Artis]

ES Absent from Hearing?

@MsMarple Interesting point. Yes, ES spoke at hearing on lesser charges.

If she had attended this hearing, I wonder if she would have been permitted to address the court. Seems the gist her argument would have been similiar to her prior stmt.

W. M-1 allegations about shoplifting beer, plus previous ones about car-as-parenting-restraining device & its frequency, etc., IDK how ES (or anyone) could keep a straight face while repeating the Pillar of the Community line.

And btwn the hearings, MSM & soc media highlighted CS' history w child custody & support issues w his dau from earlier relationship, which certainly was NOT his FINEST HOUR.
Sadly, it appears all that daughter-centric wrangling was Not his WORST HOUR.
imo

Dr Mom is a big fat liar, on top of everything else.

 

[Artis]

Yep, you’re correct. Video recovered shows him arriving home at 12:53, not around 2:30 or 2:45.

He said he checked on her but video verified that no one went near the car until the parents ran out to find Parker after 4 pm.

I wonder if he was unaware that his driveway could be seen on neighborhood cameras. It seems like he was willing to lie through his teeth in order to get away with killing his daughter.

I find it disgusting and disturbing that his immediate response was to concoct a big fat lie - while emts were in his house desperately trying to save his child!
MOO

Arizona dad of 2-year-old who died in hot car was distracted by video game, often left kids in car

Christopher Scholtes’ two other children said he “left all three children alone in vehicle regularly” and “got distracted by playing his game” when their sister was in the car.

www.nbcnews.com

The guy is a total P - O - S and Dr Mom isn't much better.

 

[Artis]

What I read, possibly in Daily Mail, was the ‘How many times’ was in route to the hospital & ‘We’ve lost her’ was after arriving at the ER. It didn’t have any times though. It would be easy to estimate by using the arrival of 1st responders - length of time they stayed at the house & the TOD. They took her to Banner which is pretty close to where they live. I think it was obvious to all of the EMTs that they were not getting Parker back as soon as they took her temperature. But she’s a baby, they will still try. I don’t know if they would’ve continued trying at the ER.

If Mom overheard CS telling LE they both leave the kids in the car I think you could be right. She may have serious issues with CS, but she’s no fool. She’s not going to jail for anyone.

I wish she would be charged with child neglect. She knew all of this stuff was going on and enabled it by enabling him. Probably won't happen, though.

BTW, was the other woman in the video her mother?

 

[Artis]

Maybe the 138 was a typo…. Sometimes when I text or message quickly, I fat finger it. Maybe it was supposed to be 130? Idk MOO

Maybe he got a ticket and popped for DUI. We don't know.

 

[Artis]

We do know that she advocated forcefully at the bond hearing for him to be returned to the home. (Video linked in 1st thread). It was also reported in prior thread that the 5 and 9 year olds were told by both parents what to say to LE - CS is good dad, accident, etc. It's witness tampering but no one in authority has acted. JMOOO.

His 16 year old is going to sink his worthless behind. Maybe Erika's, too.

 

[steeltowngirl]

We do know that she advocated forcefully at the bond hearing for him to be returned to the home. (Video linked in 1st thread). It was also reported in prior thread that the 5 and 9 year olds were told by both parents what to say to LE - CS is good dad, accident, etc. It's witness tampering but no one in authority has acted. JMOOO.

I found it disturbing when the mother was trying to make the kids kiss and hug daddy goodbye as LE was arresting him.

She played it off as “show daddy we will miss him”, but it was effectively forcing them to feel guilt and see the results of their truthful statements to LE. An emotionally manipulative move, and so very unfair to those young kids who were already traumatized by the loss of their sister and having to “tell on daddy” to police.

jmo

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

I found it disturbing when the mother was trying to make the kids kiss and hug daddy goodbye as LE was arresting him.

She played it off as “show daddy we will miss him”, but it was effectively forcing them to feel guilt and see the results of their truthful statements to LE. An emotionally manipulative move, and so very unfair to those young kids who were already traumatized by the loss of their sister and having to “tell on daddy” to police.

jmo

I'm not a real fan of either of the Scholtes and my heart goes out to the 2 little girls and their big sister. The emotional duress they are under combined with genuine safety fears would break down an adult, never mind a little kid. JMOOO.

 

[Artis]

I found it disturbing when the mother was trying to make the kids kiss and hug daddy goodbye as LE was arresting him.

She played it off as “show daddy we will miss him”, but it was effectively forcing them to feel guilt and see the results of their truthful statements to LE. An emotionally manipulative move, and so very unfair to those young kids who were already traumatized by the loss of their sister and having to “tell on daddy” to police.

jmo

I didn't see that. It's disgusting. She's creating some kind of false existence or narrative of everyone loving and adoring daddy, making him the real victim in the death of his daughter. Yikes! What a loon this woman is.

 

[Vaccine]

I hope that he doesn't get off lightly for this. Especially with his history with his older child. Its just apalling to leave a child in the car for that long - to do what? Play video games! Are you kidding me - its clearly habitual and totally beyond any care for your child.
Where is the coverage that suggests he will be treated midly?

I must admit I noticed he was only really distraught and falling to the floor when he was arrested and I couldn't really detect much emotion from the mother in the footage or text exchanges. She sounded annoyed like 'how many times have I told you to be on time to pick up the kids' type thing - not for actually causing the death of their child by roasting in the car. Apologies for upsetting anyone by this wording. But really texts wording doesn't seem to reflect the horror of the situation at all.

 

[mickey2942]

Interesting statistics on "hot car deaths". 50% of the cases result in charges. Cases have gone up since 1990. More boys than girls die in hot car deaths.

Home - Kids and Car Safety

Kids & Cars Safety aims to eliminate vehicle risks to kids & pets through data, research, education, policy change, product redesign & supporting families.

www.kidsandcars.org

 

[abyquinn]

If she wasn’t mandated as an Arizona physician, IMO the law of being a mother should’ve made her desperate to get the children out of danger.

JMO

She absolutely is a mandated reporter.

Where is the coverage that suggests he will be treated midly?

It began at his first hearing. I believe the DA wanted to hold on to him but at the least, the DA wanted bail as he was up for 2nd degree Murder. Mom called into the court and presented him as a pillar of the community who she needed at home to grieve for and bury their baby as a family. She said she worked long hours and he was a loving father, he made a terrible mistake but this didn’t represent who he is.
Not only did she let him go, she let him go without bail! No booze (or drugs) is probably his hardest stipulation. He can’t be alone with minor children, specifically his own. Can’t have any guns…

So over a few days the DA finds out he has a 16 yr old child who he lost custody of who reported he began leaving her alone in the car before she turned 7. She didn’t meet him until she was 5. He won custody of her for 4 years and she eventually committed self harm in an attempted suicide before they finally returned her to her mother.

The day Parker was killed CS took her to run errands, he was seen alone in the grocery store, Parker presumably was in the car with the ac running, it was 109* out. Next at the gas station he was seen walking in to the restroom after grabbing a couple beers from a cooler, a few moments later he was seen exiting the gas station, beer in hand never stopping at the cash register!

A few days later the DA handed the case to the Grand Jury who upped the charge to 1st degree murder & felony DV Child Abuse that caused a death. He appeared at a hearing looking like a different person, face slimmed down (no booze!) He looked like the court was interfering with his busy schedule. Chop…chop people! He is still walking free, no bail.

That is where we are at the moment. You can look up what a pillar he was during the Family Court issues with 16’s mom.

 

[shesfixingherhair]

Interesting statistics on "hot car deaths". 50% of the cases result in charges. Cases have gone up since 1990. More boys than girls die in hot car deaths.

Home - Kids and Car Safety

Kids & Cars Safety aims to eliminate vehicle risks to kids & pets through data, research, education, policy change, product redesign & supporting families.

www.kidsandcars.org

I heard about this on a podcast, I think it was Freakonomics. Once it became well known how dangerous air bags can be to babies and children, the hot car incidents became much more frequent, ostensibly because kids were in the back seat. I remember listening to it and thinking, “well, that’s it, if I have kids we’re just walking everywhere I guess”

 

[mickey2942]

I didn't see that. It's disgusting. She's creating some kind of false existence or narrative of everyone loving and adoring daddy, making him the real victim in the death of his daughter. Yikes! What a loon this woman is.

This is so classic codependent. Right down to creating the perfect picture, enlisting her daughters in the script that "everything is perfect". Ignore reality.

It is delusional.

 

[Angelcat13]

She absolutely is a mandated reporter.

It began at his first hearing. I believe the DA wanted to hold on to him but at the least, the DA wanted bail as he was up for 2nd degree Murder. Mom called into the court and presented him as a pillar of the community who she needed at home to grieve for and bury their baby as a family. She said she worked long hours and he was a loving father, he made a terrible mistake but this didn’t represent who he is.
Not only did she let him go, she let him go without bail! No booze (or drugs) is probably his hardest stipulation. He can’t be alone with minor children, specifically his own. Can’t have any guns…

So over a few days the DA finds out he has a 16 yr old child who he lost custody of who reported he began leaving her alone in the car before she turned 7. She didn’t meet him until she was 5. He won custody of her for 4 years and she eventually committed self harm in an attempted suicide before they finally returned her to her mother.

The day Parker was killed CS took her to run errands, he was seen alone in the grocery store, Parker presumably was in the car with the ac running, it was 109* out. Next at the gas station he was seen walking in to the restroom after grabbing a couple beers from a cooler, a few moments later he was seen exiting the gas station, beer in hand never stopping at the cash register!

A few days later the DA handed the case to the Grand Jury who upped the charge to 1st degree murder & felony DV Child Abuse that caused a death. He appeared at a hearing looking like a different person, face slimmed down (no booze!) He looked like the court was interfering with his busy schedule. Chop…chop people! He is still walking free, no bail.

That is where we are at the moment. You can look up what a pillar he was during the Family Court issues with 16’s mom.

I mentioned this in a previous thread but didn’t really see an answer - maybe one isn’t known yet. Did the autopsy reveal a TIME of death for Parker? I have wondered if she may have died while left in the car at any of CS’s other errands and was actually dead, not sleeping, when he parked in the driveway.

THAT would, IMO, would really show what a sociopathic, narcissistic loser this guy is to then go inside to play video games and wait for someone else to discover her dead so he could pretend it was an “accident”.

 

[Weki]

This case reminded me of Justin Harris Ross whose murder conviction was overturned. Appeals court found the state basically biased the jury with all his other exploits/bad character evidence and didn’t prove intent. State chose not to retry.

I’m concerned CS is being overcharged. Sounds like a Peter Pan with an enabling spouse who puts him first over the children. It’s absolutely disgusting but unfortunately these types of ppl can’t be stopped from procreating and we have to witness their despicable parenting and tragic consequences. There will be plenty of bad character evidence in this case I’m sure but how will the state prove intent? Will the state create bias thereby overturning the conviction years later?

Or is this felony murder? I saw it said charges were updated to first degree murder, which is different from felony murder.

JMO

 

[Bounceycat]

This case reminded me of Justin Harris Ross whose murder conviction was overturned. Appeals court found the state basically biased the jury with all his other exploits/bad character evidence and didn’t prove intent. State chose not to retry.

I’m concerned CS is being overcharged. Sounds like a Peter Pan with an enabling spouse who puts him first over the children. It’s absolutely disgusting but unfortunately these types of ppl can’t be stopped from procreating and we have to witness their despicable parenting and tragic consequences. There will be plenty of bad character evidence in this case I’m sure but how will the state prove intent? Will the state create bias thereby overturning the conviction years later?

Or is this felony murder? I saw it said charges were updated to first degree murder, which is different from felony murder.

JMO

....He deliberately and repeatedly used the car as a babysitter/playpen for multiple children for hours. In Arizona. With full knowledge that the car automatically shut off at 30min.