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If you're going by statistics, then Portland is likely no worse than any other city of comprable size. However, I do think think there is something peculiar about the Portand region. The only way I can think of to say it is that there seems to be some odd contradictions in the Portland...

It seems to me that I read somewhere on this thread or in Parking Lot (more likely here) that there was an unauthorized dump site that the couple was searching for scrap. These unauthorized dump sites are pretty common--probably everywhere! The back border of my Dad's property (in WA) is...

Likely no connection. Like Bremerton, Whidbey Island is in Western WA, but they are not real close together. However, they are each home to military bases. The distance between them is usually navigated by ferry...

A suspicious person approaching a male child in Kyron's age range. I hope this is carefully checked out.

Complicating matters further, it seems to me I have read here on Kyron's forum that the family had recently been 'working with' Kyron to learn better cooperation with adults. Which has always made me wonder whether he ever had a problem with disobeying adults to begin with--or whether someone...

Thanks, ladygator. That makes a lot of sense. It is likely the same in any area where there has been family-based agriculture. Here in western Washington, we have lost family-run berry fields, as well as daffodils and tulips. In eastern Washington, the crop under threat is apples. There is...

Great observations, Carbuff. My Dad's fancy travel trailer had a plug that contained all the wires ... and then the hitch plate had a matching receptacle to plug into. When not in use, the plug (or rather its cord) retracted into the trailer. While reading your post, it came to me that if...

I just finished watching Bern's video#3 and I have chills. So creepy to think of such a brutal crime taking place in such a beautiful, peaceful area. It really helps set the backdrop for what happened. I agree with Bern that it's a lot different to experience the drive visually rather than...

Hey you Floridians ... just out of curiosity, why are abandoned orange groves abandoned? Noting that some of the orange groves have been replanted with pine ... why? In Bern's video #2 it says there were many more orange groves in the area in 1993, the year of the crime. What's the story...

ITA. Can't say why, but for some reason I envision the killer as a fairly young man. I don't know that I'd say an older teenager. Maybe so ... or maybe a young adult male. I'm seeing the same scenario you are, Carbuff.

Wow, that's pretty comprehensive!

While it's sometimes just an excuse, I do think that sometimes mental illness is at the root of it. 'the voices made me do it.' Northwest serial killers Gary Ridgeway (Green River) and Robert Yates (Spokane) both claimed to have killed prostitutes simply so they didn't have to pay for the...

Thanks, Bern. I plan to visit the sheriff's page later this week. Last night I watched your 2nd video. (Thank you thank you). I noticed a lot of contrails through the middle part of the video. Is there an airport in the area--and if so, is it a big international one or a small airfield. I...

Hi Astrella! Yes, I do lean toward thinking that she had a kind of date--but in the sense that some guy had been flattering her, paying attention to her, and kind of setting her up. Back in 1993, I for one had not heard too much about "grooming behaviors," where an older kid or an adult will...

This is excellent information about the local area and the customs. I can see where there would be a lot of difference in cultures between the grove owners and the people who worked in the groves. I read somewhere that Jennifer's stepfather was somewhat new to her, which makes me wonder...

I went back through the thread. The Hooters jacket was white with orange embroidery.

I'm blown away by the way you two know the ins and outs of this case, Bern and Mr. TT! Thank you for your thorough minds and all the details you have shared on this thread. Amazing. Hooters jacket: Well, to me it could be meaningful. I was probably fourteen when I filched my first...

I don't know to what degree this might factor in, but I have been giving a lot of thought to Terri living with her parents, and trying to imagine what life must be like in that household. If her parents really believe in her, they have probably urged to to try for visitation with the baby...

Bolded by me. The bolded part is kind of what I'm thinking. Also, she may have had the vague, innocent 12 yr old's understanding of a 'romance'--and it may have meant something far more sinister to the killer.

I have read reports that one thing they are pretty sure she had but has never been found is a Hooters jacket that belonged to a friend of hers. Is it just me, or does it seem odd that a 12 year old is walking around with a Hooters jacket? We did not get Hooters in the Pacific NW until...