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  1. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I'm on the fence with this one, but am starting to lean towards this thinking. Especially the "only dressing them up for photo ops" part.
  2. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I keep wondering what LE found at that house and did not find when they first went there. And if they have gone back again. Because so few people visited that home, it would be hard to know what was missing. Was there still a tent at home? Sleeping bags? Backpacks for the kids? Toothbrushes...
  3. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    From the linked article: In a 2014 study of child abuse so severe that it could be termed torture, researcher Barbara Knox of the University of Wisconsin found that 47% of the school-aged victims she studied had been removed from school to be homeschooled. “This...
  4. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I know the weather can change quite a bit. I was born and raised in New England, where we definitely had our winter clothes and summer clothes. When I spent time in New Orleans and Florida, I was surprised that they had winter clothes as well. LOL My point wasn't so much how warm it gets...
  5. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Oregon Live keeps updating their gallery of pictures related to this case. Here are a few pictures of Sierra with her biological father and paternal aunt. An earlier article on the legal efforts the aunt went through to keep the kids said that she had custody for 6 1/2 months ending in December...
  6. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    If I read the report correctly, not only did OR reach out to MN, but they also had two other people in addition to the original reporter corroborating the initial report. If this understanding is correct, then CPS should not have needed corroboration from the children. It seemed that between...
  7. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    If you could direct me, I'd greatly appreciate it. I only get one hit searching "extract" in the prior 6 threads and it's in thread 5. I've been reading here since the early days of the first thread and I have not seen any thorough discussion of how easy it would be for an untrained person to...
  8. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I can't even begin to guess if they packed and brought clothes and camping gear. As with the July 2013 CPS call in OR, it seems the immediate reaction by Jen and Sarah was to flee. Seems to me they felt they needed time to figure out the situation and not be caught unprepared by CPS. It took...
  9. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    This is not the first time I've seen this kind of opinion. Anyone here with dental expertise? As in, how hard would it be for a person without training to extract permanent teeth intact with the roots? My sense is without the proper tool and training, the average person is likely to break the...
  10. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    It's really a shame that critical parts of adoption records/histories of the adopted kids are sealed. So much of what Jen told the OR CPS appears to be BS when it comes to the adopted kids and their backgrounds. Access to these records could have easily disproven what she said...
  11. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    IMO, the physical punishment did not stop after Sarah pleaded guilty.. Hannah lost her teeth in 2012. I seriously doubt that was an accident. If Markis was grabbed and dragged in 2013 at age 14, there was still physical abuse taking place. The threat of physical discipline would make the...
  12. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I agree that the caseworkers preparing that report really tried to document an alarming history, looking to prior states of residence. It reads as if MN was also very concerned about the children. Dana DeKalb's father reported the incident of Hannah running to the neighbors to CPS, but WA did...
  13. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Both cars home when CPS and LE came for a visit on Friday, 7/19/2013. CPS left card. 3 hours later, LE drives by the house again and notices that the SUV is gone. Sarah calls CPS on 7/19/2013 leaving a message that she found the card in the door while taking out the garbage. CPS talks to...
  14. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Based on the details in this most recent Oregonian article about child abuse investigations, there is no reason to believe that Devonte was exaggerating when he told the DeKalbs that he was starving. I can't even begin to imagine what horrors those kids went through at home and then again on...
  15. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    That article is frightening and brought tears to my eyes for these poor kids. They went through hell.
  16. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Good thinking. Looks like the 2003 GMC Yukon had the anti theft passlock system as standard equipment. An early article with the West Linn neighbor included a report about one of the boys breaking into his car. So part of what Jen told her friend Nusheem may have been true and other parts not...
  17. gcharlie

    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I did a lot of scrolling over posts in that last thread. Hope people follow what the mods have advised about the topic at hand on this thread. Please and :tyou:
  18. gcharlie

    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    A lot of talk about Jen, not so much about Sarah. Sarah got her degree in education with a minor in special ed. Her studies had to include child development. The more info that comes out, the clearer it becomes that this family was dysfunctional and that the children's needs were not being met...
  19. gcharlie

    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    My nephew is diagnosed with schizophrenia. With what little information that has come to light, there is no way that I could or would say Jen had schizophrenia. It is a very complex set of symptoms and behaviors. Outside of psychosis, most people diagnosed with schizophrenia tend to be...

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