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  1. Tanager

    VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #14

    <modsnip> I think KR hit and killed JO due to her agitated mood and intoxication. I don't know if she hit him on purpose, but I do think she is responsible for his death. I don't know if this case has been made clear for the jury. That is up to them. I think it will be a hung jury and that...
  2. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #5

    Anyone else seething with rage? I am so sad and angry for TD. ED has no power, and no independent thought or critical thinking skills. CD has ED so indoctrinated that she cannot defy him in any small way, even in her own thought. I keep picturing CD and ED in the police video on the day the...
  3. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #3

    The HTC podcast with Heather Daybell is really helpful to understanding some Daybell family dynamics in CD's family of origin. It sounds to me that CD's mom had little to no power in the family structure, and was openly mocked for her body and any other shortcomings. Of course, that is HD's...
  4. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #3

    I am very irritated by the lack of consistency in the storytelling around CD's self-proclaimed paranormal powers. I mean, on top of all the murdering, of course. The Harry Potter message from CD bemoans the torture of residing in his family home after his occasional earthly "adventures" with...
  5. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #2

    The manipulathon! These texts show two monsters on a tandem bike of evil steering for TD. When one gets tired, the other one starts to pedal. It is so disgusting that I've learned how to make a short post. Pah!
  6. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #2

    I am having a really tough time with the idea that either LVD or CD truly believed that killing the children was a divine mission. I've been listening to this idea on HTC, and I just can't accept that either one thought to themselves privately that they had to kill the children for any reason...
  7. Tanager

    TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #2

    The cognitive dissonance for the the Daybell children must be screaming loud at this information. I think CD has told them a modified version of his spiritual worldview/powers to allow for this information to coexist with the reality they know. Emma's behavior in the video yesterday when the...
  8. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    Just trying to generate a little conversational momentum... I have noticed a pattern in many of the cases that I tend to follow. There is a family culture that the substance of things does not matter so long as the appearance of things is attractive. Surface appearance and public...
  9. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    To clarify, I don't think WA cut ties with CA before the trial, I just think she wants us to have that impression vaguely based on her testimony. It is DA's suggestion in the hot mic that WA never asks about her brother. I think WA is counting on the lack of documented communication with CA to...
  10. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    This is some musing about what the Markel boys might be thinking about asking their mother. Yes, yes it is speculation, and lightly rambly. If I were one of the Markel boys, I'd be asking why WA has cloaked the murder investigation with secrecy whenever it involves her family members and has...
  11. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    Respectfully, I disagree. You are the first to suggest that it could be directed at CA, to my knowledge. I feel like it is quite clear that DA is referencing WA. It is quite problematic for WA that her mother made this comment, and I am sure that she is very concerned about how it reflects on...
  12. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    Why would Wendi agree to an unnecessary and very protracted TV repair orchestrated by the now-indicted family members on the day/time of the murder, which is also the code word for the murder? The TV could not be repaired, and she insisted on waiting for the absurd melodrama with the repair guy...
  13. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #22

    I've been working on some "Creature from the Black Lagoon" reference to CA and his new location, but it just won't take shape. Creature from the black womb, something something black heirloom, and so on... not happening. Also, it feels racist to use the term black in a derogatory way. These...
  14. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #21

    Just noticed this for the first time: DA says to CA in this call " Did you hear the part about Rick and Susan are here...did you hear that?" She says it all sotto voce. Seems obvious now, but this is DA warning CA to avoid any talk about the case in front of the guests, even though she knows...
  15. Tanager

    FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #21

    I have a famously poor sense of direction. I use navigation on my phone constantly, and I usually say," __________ near me" to prompt my directions when I am looking for a specialty store like a liquor store. That is just me, but it is fair to assume that others with the same challenge would...
  16. Tanager

    GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #20

    I think CA thinks he is still testifying. I do think he is trying to make sense of it all, but the repetition sounds to my ear like he has talking points that he is trying to use to rebut the state's case. He is talking for the tapes, for sure, maybe in the hope that he'll get an appeal, or...
  17. Tanager

    GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #20

    Or does she? Seems a bit convenient. It does ping the hinky meter. I will admit that I do occasionally experience senior behavior when it comes to my phone, though. My pocket makes a few calls without my consent, and I can be dense about relatively basic phone functions. I can't say I've...
  18. Tanager

    GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #20

    <modsnip - quote dpost was removed> I think WA is guilty, and I am awash with sadness for the Markel family when I think of the cruelty of depriving them of their access to their grandchildren upon the death of their son. There is no part of me that thinks severing contact was necessary to...
  19. Tanager

    GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #19

    I think WA will let the visit happen. I think she needs to randomize the pattern of visits to be able to claim that there was nothing punitive in her behavior around Markel visits with the boys. It is probably too late to establish that in a way that negates the cruel way they were treated...
  20. Tanager

    GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #19

    I feel like the newspaper article just looks like another twist on their privilege and power. They have an unlimited number of "guys," including a rehab-the-narrative guy. The way you get guys is either through $ or social currency in the form of powerful relationships. After listening to the...

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