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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    What about the lie detector tests? What about the state police searching Rick Forcier's trailer on the side of the highway? These weren't the actions of Fred Murray, right? A known detail of this case is that Fred Murray lied to police. Why did he do this? Why did he lie about material facts?
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I agree with you that it is no coincidence that Maura decided to go to the White Mountains. She liked that place, she intended to have her honeymoon there. The fact that she went to the place she loved most in no way suggests suicide over other possibilities. Who said the FBI was on her...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    Ignoring details is not the same thing as questioning details. How the abduction theory developed has no bearing on the likelihood of this possibility.
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I agree that Maura would know what it meant to be in the wilderness, unprepared. I think it is unlikely that she would choose this death for herself (I am not saying it is impossible or unlikely that she died of exposure, just that I do not think she would have willfully chosen this). I think...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I wouldn't put it at 90% unless there was additional information of which I was not yet aware (there might be). I don't think that planning to live necessarily means she did live, either. I would be very uncomfortable assigning a high level of probability to a particular theory, at least at...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    What do you make of the seeming lack of footprints in the woods around the crash site? Do you think there were footprints that the police didn't tell us about? Do you think there were footprints that the police missed? If there weren't footprints, do you think she walked along the road for a...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I don't know that we can assume Maura to have a history of mental health issues. She may have had an eating disorder, but I'm not sure if anything outside of rumors confirms this. Even if she did have mental health issues, not all mental health issues influence your ability to orchestrate and...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    We don't know how big the coke bottle was. Many people have suggested that a 20 oz. bottle would be easier to drink from while driving, and I agree with this statement. In the pictures of the car that were taken years after the crash, a crumpled 20 oz. (could be 16 oz. I guess, but I think it is...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    But we don't know when she started drinking or how much she drank.
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    If she stole lots of things, wouldn't this give her a reason to run away? What if the police thought she stole more things? Being troubled doesn't necessarily mean you are suicidal. I'm not against looking critically at the book, that's exactly what I'm doing. The book doesn't discuss suicide...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    If the book can take on new meanings, how do we know what the meaning of the book was at the time she disappeared? Do you mean mentally troubled? What kind of troubled do you think Maura was?
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    Was it cherished by her for longer than the amount of time we believe she was suicidal?
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I know that you didn't say the book would make Maura suicidal, you implied that I said it. "Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that this book would MAKE her suicidal but I think a troubled person who already loved the mountains could read passages about death there and see them...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    You're the one putting words in my mouth. I asked how owning the book would make it more likely that a person was suicidal, not how the book would make Maura suicidal.
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I read all of your comments. You told me that the book was about suicide, and fortunately I didn't take your word for it. "You're right, it's not specifically about suicide, but here's an excerpt from the official Amazon.com review of the book. Guess we looked at different reviews. It would be...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    This account in no way indicates suicide. Lizzie Bourne was hiking with her uncle George and her cousin Lucy when they were caught in a storm. She became cold and confused. I have also seen suggestions that she may have had a heart condition that contributed to her death. It would be...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    The wilderness is too broad to be considered in that context. The Golden Gate Bridge is a very specific place. We can't just consider general suicide rates. Suicide is far more common in men than in women. It is also common among the elderly. 2004 United States suicide data indicates that...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    The book is focused on suicide in the wilderness? This is news to me. From the Editorial Reviews on Amazon: "First published 14 years ago, Not Without Peril has quickly risen amongst the ranks of outdoor books and is clearly deserving the title of an outdoor classic. Combining painstaking...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    Maura wasn't your typical middle-class girl going to nursing school, and she wasn't a regular co-ed. She was kicked out of West Point for stealing. She was caught using a credit card that did not belong to her, and lied to the police about where she got the number, twice. Why assume that the...
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    NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - #12

    I think this is certainly a possibility. It seems like Maura had extra money when she was inquiring about renting the condo in Bartlett. Her father offers the information about the $4000 apropos of nothing, and seems to think it is significant even though nobody asked him a question about it...

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