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Okay. It's over then. If nothing else, I'm glad there was a trial, at least, and that we had a chance at some justice for that teenager. It doesn't always work, but that's our system. I'm not a religious person, so no prayer, but the Martins are in my thoughts, and I wish them all the best in...

LMAO Thanks, I needed that. My heart is going a mile a minute right now waiting for the verdict!

PREACH IT! :rockon:

BBM Thanks for this. I think the intellectual dishonesty from some people on these issues is just astonishing.

Perhaps I'm the odd duck in the room, but I would never, EVER let my boyfriend go outside to "investigate," and take a weapon. If we're suspicious or afraid, we'd call the police. Over my dead body would I let someone I love go out to investigate a possibly dangerous individual. We have doors...

Of course there's circumstantial evidence. Why would someone attack another person while yelling "get off, get off?" That makes zero sense. So that indicates right there that GZ may have started the altercation. As far as direct evidence, there's also no direct evidence that TM attacked GZ...

Except the bullet in his chest. Do I really need a link for this, or do we all accept that GZ shot this kid to death? (that's not snark, I'm actually curious about this, because I've spoken to people who think GZ didn't kill TM even though that's never been in question).

If it did cut him, it could be that's what caused the cut on the bridge of his nose. There's a cut there, and then blood coming from an abrasion on the tip of his nose, like he rubbed it against the concrete in some way. In this picture, look at the small cut at the bridge of his nose, and the...

I think referring to a dead kid with no police record (or even clear evidence of wrongdoing), a reputation as being a decent person, and no weapon of any sort as a "" is a quite a stretch. I do find it interesting how those who seem to buy GZ's story all tend to fall back on this stereotype...

Unless you run, think you're safe, and the person pops up again like a jack in the box and tries to grab you before you can do any of those other things, while you desperately strike out and scream "get off, get off!"

I agree with him being charged for manslaughter. While I personally can see how the defense arrived at 2nd degree charges (even the lead investigator wanted 2nd degree initially), unfortunately I don't see the jury going for it. It's highly likely that GZ will be charged with manslaughter, and...

Like I said, people tend to have a more favorable opinion when they're in agreement with what's being said. IMO

Oh, and don't question the person that's tracking you down in the dark, because he might start a fight, shoot you to death, and then lie about it afterward. Also, IMO.

Agreed. The two closings are actually quite similar in style, but suddenly some people are all ears because it's what they want to hear.

BBM That was definitely a "hold the phone" moment for me. Another poster posited that when a person is altering a story as he goes along, there will often be some mistakes in body language, comments, etc. as the person tries to speak and act at odds with his memories of the actual event, and...

No. The witness was clear that the "bigger man on top" was Zimmerman. She even clarified that he was the one who got up. Martin never got up. "Both witnesses claimed that the “bigger man” was on top was especially troubling. Martin was 5’11” and 158 pounds according to...

I don't believe he had time to do so (whether he would have actually thought to do so is a different discussion; IMO, young black men often don't trust the police, and calling the cops probably isn't their first instinct, but again, that's strictly MOO, and a generalization on my part)...

Yes, let's talk about how he saw GZ. In the testimony, it was said that TM says, "Oh, *****, he's back." That doesn't sound like someone circling around or jumping out of bushes, or whatever other nonsense GZ claims happened. That sounds like someone who thinks he's lost the guy that was...

A better question, imo, is why GZ still has blood on his bald head, which was definitely exposed to the rain, but TM's hands (which were under his body) were somehow washed sparkling clean in the drizzle.

<modsnip> That's a rhetorical question, because we all know there isn't any. But that's exactly the point - I think too many people here have bought GZ's story hook, line, and sinker. Imo, when a killer is trying to defend himself, of course he's going to say "so-and-so started it." Since the...