KS KS - Vincent Moore, 4 months, Wichita, 11 July 2015

cvaldez1975 said:

that doesnt make much sense, around here, if you have an order of protection on someone and violate it yourself (and this she did, as she married him) the court will toss it because YOU arent honoring it.

i guess maybe they used that to keep him in jail because he is a suspect. he is saying SHE is one too though, i hope they at least look into it.

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cvaldez1975 said:

oh ok... that is smart. they say they take their abusers back a certain number of times......

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perfectingpink said:

Missing baby Vincent's father speaks from jail



http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/missing-baby-vincents-father-speaks-from-jail/34585192

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giagreen said:

He isn't telling the truth. Besides her passing the lie detector test. I think what he says about her yanking the baby away then the diaper bag doesn't make sense. He just took her kids to Texas and she wanted em back. Why take one child and not the other? Why only yank on the the diaper bag. And if there was a protection ordered at some point that tells me he has hit her or is abusive. If he wanted that baby she wouldn't of stood a chance at just taking him like he says she did.
Besides that he say that he didn't want the kids with her cause she used drugs and was only back around to get the stuff he needed for daycare so then why even meet up with the mother then?
Whatever, I think he killed his baby. Its obvious. And now we just need to figure out where he is so he can be buried with the dignity he deserves. So sad

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perfectingpink said:

I think you are spot on with all of this. The dad's story makes no sense and I truly appreciate you pointing that out.

I honestly do not think Vincent will ever be found because of the time lapse of reporting versus when Vincent was seen last.

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giagreen said:

It has nothing to do with being smart and everything to do with being conditioned.
Domestic abuse is an extremely complex thing to understand. Untill you lived and servived it I don't think most will understand.
Your latterly disabled in all most everyway by the time the physical abuse starts with all most no where to turn. He will have control over everything to the point when you go to leave with your child you realize you have no where to go. No car. No money. Because he has taken over everything slowly with out you realizing. Abusers straight up set out to abuse and gain power and controll over you. Of course they will make you helpless before beating you.
Then by the time you want to leave you've probably had his baby. Then what do you think his threats are? That he will call CPS cause you will be homeless, moneyless, and worthless with his baby. Women who get abused actually believe this and are terrified and stuck. Stuck not only in abuse but in poverty as well. Little resources and little help. So they go back. After the cycle repeats its self a bunch of times and she can't take it anymore...so who is there for her to tell with out being judged for going back so many times before? Its shameful.
Instead of judging women who go back we need to help. We need more resources. More education on the matter so the general public isn't so naive to it. More shelters where women can receive help for a few months to get jobs and get their own apartment with the reassurance that no one is coming to take their child for leaving. Domestic abuse is a horrible thing I pray no one here has to live threw. Trust me no woman goes back because she likes the abuse or is stupid.

Also add I can't count how many times I've heard a woman say he threatend to take the kids. And actually CPS is use to abusers calling trying to get the child taken. Its a pretty commen call. When all els fails it seems some abusers kill the child. Its hard to say if they kill the child because they got upset at the child or If it was to hurt the mom. Thats why abusers who kill their kids still get visitations before doing so cause they have at this point only abused the mother. I think the killing of the child is all most the ultimate abuse to the mother and that's why they kill the child. The child is nothing more then a weapon. Most abusers are a sociopathic narcissist not people with uncontrollable rage like we think. They have no problem controlling their anger when needed.
Of course not in all cases but most it seems.

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It's been 100 days since Vincent Moore, now just seven-months-old, was seen. Investigators continue to follow up on leads, trying to find him.

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A social justice advocate working with the family of a missing Wichita infant says relatives of the baby have been informed by authorities that they think the infant is dead.

Mary Dean, president and founder of Kansas Justice Advocate, in a five-page letter dated Wednesday, gives a timeline of her and the family’s contact with authorities who are investigating Vincent Moore’s disappearance and questions the efforts Wichita police have put into the search for him.

In it, she cites a document relatives of the baby received at an Oct. 8 child-in-need-of-care (CINC) proceeding that she says in part reads: “due to Vincent(’s) unknown whereabouts, the length of his absence and the details regarding his disappearance revealed doing (sic) the Wichita Police Department EMCU investigation, there is a clear and convincing evidence that Vincent is deceased.”

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Moore's mother reported him missing in July.

Now months later, there's still no sign of the baby, and the family says they have done everything they can to find Moore, without the help of Wichita Police or the District Attorney's office.

"The family has organized their own searches, passed out flyers, and even held fundraisers," said Mary Dean, president of Kansas Justice Advocate Inc. "They've even been cooperative with WPD when it comes to giving some of their text messages that they've had and conversations that they've had with various people, and all they've gotten is condescending remarks, authorities have been rude to them. They've gotten no empathy or sympathy when it comes to trying to find baby Vincent."

Read Letter from Kansas Justice Advocate, Inc. (http://www.kwch.com/blob/view/-/36129384/data/1/-/xyccokz/-/vincent-letter.pdf)

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perfectingpink said:

I think Wichita is turning even more against the mother. I honestly could not tell you who did what. (A lot of comments below.)



https://www.facebook.com/kwchnews/posts/10153498392397421

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SthrnRaine said:

I am just reading up on this case, and after finishing the thread, I had to come back to this post. Those commentators at the link have me really confused on why they so adamantly think mom is responsible. From start to finish my impression is that it's on dad. Mom may have her issues, but I don't think she has the child. His jail house story was totally unconvincing to me, especially saying she jerked the bag away when it was found to still be with him when arrested. And like many here questioned, if he was so concerned for the children's welfare why did he return the baby at all? He had been hiding them out for that long, but getting the day care validation was a bigger concern than the child's safety??? Also with his theory, the mom would have done something with the baby almost immediately after he claims to have dropped him off since no one has seen the child since the 11th when Vincent was last seen being carried to the car by dad. My thoughts, something happened in that house shortly before 3-5am on the 11th, and that person who saw GM leaving with Vincent, was witnessing a man going to dispose of his son's body. MOO

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Tuesday night, supporters gathered in front of the Sedgwick County Courthouse holding up signs that read, 'bring me home.'

"I hope [Wichita Police] see this, and know we are serious," said Vincent's great aunt Chetina Jones. "Our family, we love hard, we won't give up. We're going to do whatever it takes to find him."

Jones says investigators believe the boy is dead--she says there's no evidence to prove that: "I don't think he's deceased. I think he's out there, someone is hiding him somewhere."

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Vincent was last seen in July, when he and his older brother were dropped off with their biological father.

The family sang Happy Birthday, and made a memorial at the corner of Hydraulic and Tulsa to celebrate his birthday.

"It's his first birthday, and he still hasn't been found, and nobody is saying anything," said Getina Jones, Vincent's great aunt.

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The father of a Wichita infant who went missing last summer pleaded guilty on Monday to cutting off a GPS tracking device that he had been ordered to wear as a condition of his probation in a 2014 battery case involving the baby’s mother.

The charge isn’t connected to baby Vincent Moore’s disappearance, although the charge – coupled with a yearlong sentence ordered served because of probation violations – has kept 24-year-old Gary Moore Jr. in jail since late July.

The infant’s whereabouts remain unknown, Wichita police said Monday. No one has been arrested or charged in connection with Vincent’s disappearance.

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