TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #29

You stand correct! I absolutely agree with and believe your information!!!!!!

Cannonball3804 said:

Respectfully, no investigation is without prejudice - lots of it.

Police typically settle upon a theory early on as to who did it and why. They then proceed to look for evidence that supports their case. Once charges are filed, the DA takes the same approach.

A perfect example is the Jon Benet Ramsey case. Police were sure it was a family member inside the home. By the time they expanded their scope, too much valuable time had been lost.

The idea that LE "goes wherever the evidence leads us" is less than the truth. They make their hypothesis and then put everything they find into that filter.

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cady said:

Not totally out of the question, but I personally doubt that she shared the creepy message with her husband. Why would she want to worry him, for one, particularly as she would not see him until he returned from his fishing trip? And why would she want him to know that creepy men were messaging her? "Have a great time, dear, by the way, some creep is stalking me online" NOT JMO

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I can understand MB not telling husband right before trip. Since she was out of town,that meant telling him via text, email or phone. However- the MIL said BB had just mentioned that he was concerned about MB going to church alone. Why would he suddenly be soooo concerned, as no murders in that town for a decade. So did she tell him or is it the family story as they knew about impending hit? I am assuming she told her friend AJ while at Austin work events.

Murrayforlife said:

We are on same page mcluver23. I have LE background. But I have seen enough corruption in LE to last 2 lifetimes. There was some questionable things in that KY case and I fear some in this case. I am as pro LE and Military and God and Country as it comes. I just want answers and justice for MB.

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Ditto that! I'm in education. We've seen our share of corruption, as well. I feel alone when I do witness wrongdoing because it's impossible to tell the good guys from the bad guys. If you trust the wrong person your career/livelihood is in jeopardy.

curiousjo said:

More MIL comments knocking MB ..."Tucker's letter seems to address the recent alleged revelations about the Bevers's marriage, reading, "I assume you were jumping up and down when the news [broke] about her life [being] not as perfect as a lot of people thought. Well, let me tell you a little secret you may not comprehend. No, she wasn't perfect and she never claimed to be. "But, the secret is, there is something called 'agape' love. Meaning, there really is a love you have, that no matter what you have done in the past or present, you still love them! "

So, MIL's letter to MB murderer stating let me tell you a secret- MB not perfect as a lot of people thought. Red flag! And MB did "things" in past and present but is still loved. Red Flag!

Who knocks a dead woman?! Lots of bitterness here. Red flags!!!!

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People Magazine article 04/25/16:
"If she wasn't working out at home, she's always on the go. There's a lot of crock-pot meals that she fed her family" to save time, Tucker adds.

This printed only a week after she was murdered, for goodness sake. I've tried to compose another sentence here, and I'm at a loss.

ardenmost said:

Yes, thanks for someone finding a source that says MB carried a gun.

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I remember seeing it somewhere (can't remember where) that she carried. So I am inclined to believe that she did. Perhaps it was taken from her and used in the murder. IMHO

Cannonball posted the email communications regarding the open documents request. It mentioned that LE did not want a guns serial # to be disclosed.

Perhaps this is the reason folks thought MB may have had a gun. JMO


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wgram said:

I remember seeing it somewhere (can't remember where) that she carried. So I am inclined to believe that she did. Perhaps it was taken from her and used in the murder. IMHO

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IF she did own one.. I hope it was registered to her and not one from the "deputy bust."

Nehemiah said:

I initially wanted to think that it was a B/E. Having had our own house burglarized, our lovely perp went for things that he could quickly sell in order to get drug money. In a church, that would translate into TVs, technology, and equipment. Most churches don't leave the "offering" money laying around, although a drughead may/may not know that (probably wouldn't). Therefore, I assume that the SP would have looked for the church office and tried to check that out; he then would have begun to take down any TVs and other technological equipment. Also, and this is a big also...SP would need a vehicle close-by to load said items. It was pouring rain, and he would need his vehicle protected from the weather in order to keep his merchandise dry.

Which leads me to these thoughts:
Was there a vehicle parked somewhere near a door for items to be loaded in the rain (we, the public, haven't seen all the video to know this)?
Was there any equipment removed from classrooms etc. but then "dropped" and laying around when MB surprised him?

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BBM

Wonder if the equipment shown here inside the crime scene belonged to MB or to the church? Does anyone know?

roadrunnermt said:

Stolen swat gear in Cleburne tx, suburb of Fort Worth and about 25 miles from Midlothian. http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...ke-rifle-arrested-shortly-after-robbery.html/

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Where in this article did it state that the tactical gear was stolen?

PoirotryInMotion said:

I may be wrong, and if so, I hope someone can provide a link, but I've read no source that states Missy was killed with a hammer. (Not picking on you, GA_Peach - have seen multiple posters mention this in these threads.)

"Puncture wounds 'consistent with the tools left behind' " (or "carried" per another source) means just that. This was stated pre-autopsy, before findings. It means holes inflicted, holes that look similar to what might be inflicted IF perp had used one of those tools - and we've seen more than a hammer in the video, so why focus only on the hammer? I believe the reason is likely because townspeople interviewed have made that leap...though other locals (one allegedly a camper witness) have stated they believe it was another cause of death - so there can be no credence to hearsay alone.

LE have stopped short of actually saying one of those tools was indeed the murder weapon even when asked directly by reporters. And the autopsy results which would say COD more definitively have been hushed for now. I believe there is a reason for every word LE chooses to say or not say publicly so JMO, but I think I'll be refraining from jumping to the conclusion that she was hacked to death with the hammer seen in that video, no matter how vivid or menacing the imagery. The presence of the ATF, gun residue dog, and gun serial number in this case leaves too many unanswered questions.

JMO, IMOO, etc.

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I know you said that you weren't picking on me, but just to be clear, I did state that it appears MB was killed with a hammer/blunt object. I didn't specify that it was a hammer. However, LE did say the puncture wounds were consistent with the tools we have seen being carried in the video. To my knowledge we have only seen a hammer and the other unidentified object. Whether the puncture wounds were caused by the hammer or the other unidentified object matters very little to me in the gruesomeness of the crime. Now if it those puncture wounds are actually gunshot wounds.....

You are absolutely correct that those tools may not have been the murder weapon. I concur that gunshot wounds are definitely a possible COD. However based on what has been released, I think that the murder was gruesome. I also think that despite the weapon that actually killed MB we will eventfully find out that some of these wounds indicate overkill. JMO

ETA - You are correct that wounds "consistent with" the tools seen being carried through the church does not mean that her fatal wounds were caused by those tools.

wgram said:

I remember seeing it somewhere (can't remember where) that she carried. So I am inclined to believe that she did. Perhaps it was taken from her and used in the murder. IMHO

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observation said:

Cannonball posted the email communications regarding the open documents request. It mentioned that LE did not want a guns serial # to be disclosed.

Perhaps this is the reason folks thought MB may have had a gun. JMO

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Yes, I believe the idea that Missy "carried" (and was killed by her own gun) was conjectured a lot in the last thread (after Cannonball's FOIA request post)...and so that statement was read a lot in the thread though never substantiated; it was only theorized as one possibility for a gun serial number being part of the case.

*ETA - Correction: the post by Cannonball which started the discussion about Missy possibly carrying a gun was THREE threads ago. See Thread 26, page 2 for start of that discussion.

GA_Peach said:

I know you said that you weren't picking on me, but just to be clear, I did state that it appears MB was killed with a hammer/blunt object. I didn't specify that it was a hammer. However, LE did say the puncture wounds were consistent with the tools we have seen being carried in the video. To my knowledge we have only seen a hammer and the other unidentified object. Whether the puncture wounds were caused by the hammer or the other unidentified object matters very little to me in the gruesomeness of the crime. Now if it those puncture wounds are actually gunshot wounds.....

You are absolutely correct that those tools may not have been the murder weapon. I concur that gunshot wounds are definitely a possible COD. However based on what has been released, I think that the murder was gruesome. I also think that despite the weapon that actually killed MB we will eventfully find out that some of these wounds indicate overkill. JMO

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Yes, you're right, you did include "blunt instrument" along with hammer in your post, so I got the sense you yourself weren't locked into only the hammer idea. Thought it was safer to address this in a post that mentioned more than just the hammer so as not to seem like I was picking on someone for thinking only hammer. Sorry to have confused things! I agree with your post here 100%.

JMHO: in reference to the serial number listed in document
View attachment 97045 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-26&p=12612388#post12612388

Here is the Statute for that particular part the City was wishing to withhold:
Texas Government Code § 552.108. Exception:  Certain Law Enforcement, Corrections, and Prosecutorial Information. - See more at: http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/government-code/gov-t-sect-552-108.html#sthash.Q7wIQaCs.dpuf (b) An internal record or notation of a law enforcement agency or prosecutor that is maintained for internal use in matters relating to law enforcement or prosecution is excepted from the requirements of Section 552.021 if: (1) release of the internal record or notation would interfere with law enforcement or prosecution;

JMHO, this serial number to a firearm is in reference to a LEO firearm. It would be listed in the offence/incident reports and all surveillance video as was requested by Mr. Peritz. His April 29, 2016 Request is "Exhibit A"

Exhibit A- is seeking information, including documents and media relating to the April 18 incident,...( RE: Request for a copy of all surveillance footage, all search warrants and all search warrant returns, all 911 audio tapes, all offence/incident reports, and the autopsy relating to the homicide of a named individual ) Much of the responsive information to Mr. Pertiz's request was submitted on May 3, 2016. Therefore, the Attorney General opinion rendered relating to the May 3 2016 request will encompass responsive documents sought in the April 29 request. The City now seeks to withhold the responsive information marked as Exhibit "E" *** Notice what happened on May 3rd? The big document dump (iPhone/iPad SW, ATT Tower Dump SW, 2 LinkedIn SW, ATT Target Numbers SW) Ford F150 had already been released as had the Dry Cleaner April 27, 2016

JMHO Exhibits B/C may possibly be the 2 SW already released prior to the May 3 doc dump (the truck and the Dry Cleaners SW) and the extended surveillance video.

Exhibit B -The City has responded to this Request by separate correspondence and provided information not exempt from disclosure see Exhibits B and C.

Exhibit C - (in addition to the information attached in Exhibit C, the City has also provided additional information not exempt from disclosure to the Requester.

Exhibit D- Exhibit D - The City submitted the April 20 and April 26 request to the Attorney General's office for an opinion on May 3, 2016, see Exhibit "D".
Mike Pool April 20, 2016 & Jocelyn Lockwood April 29, 2016 requests

Exhibit E only thing left on Mr. Pertiz list not addressed is:
all 911 audio tapes ***detailed information-witnesses, description of the victim and location

all offence/incident report *** - witness information, First Responder information, crime scene information, very detailed information

the autopsy relating to the homicide of a named individual ***COD/MOD... information that MPD has stated some of which only the Suspect would know.

all surveillance footage- ***would have all information that LE has on the Suspect, MB, the CG campers, EMT, LE with a gun most likely drawn looking around the building to see if anyone else was there. ... You know everything every :websleuther: wants to know. *** is JMHO information from document Cannonball3804 posted to Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7ju5m1k31i20tu/Bevers ORA request response.pdf?dl=0

I know I'm in the minority since everyone seems convinced otherwise by Batbrat's wonderful animation...but I still believe the killer is an average height, frumpily built woman with almond shaped eyes.

MrsPC said:

I know I'm in the minority since everyone seems convinced otherwise by Batbrat's wonderful animation...but I still believe the killer is an average height, frumpily built woman with almond shaped eyes.

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That's ok, variety in the thread keeps it interesting. If it's any comfort to you, I thought it was a male almost two months ago, without the benefit of Batbrat's animation skills...but am also in the minority as I think it's a young male, and not someone on anyone's radar.

I just hope we find out SOON, no matter who it is....

Responsive information:
UTS139 Compliance with the Texas Public Information Act https://www.utsystem.edu/board-of-r.../policies/uts139-texas-public-information-act

At the end of the AG office May 25, 2016 memo that was given to Cannonball3804 in his/her request for 911 tapes FOIA,

For more information on the cited exceptions, please refer to the open government information on our website at https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/og/open-records-memorandum-rulings You may also contact our Open Government Hotline at 1-877-OPENTEX

Snip from Open Records Memo Rulings, JMHO May 3 Opinion was filed, and the subsequent May 3 filing of SW were filed (they had to also because they were executed and unable to be sealed per another statute or by the AG Opinion. We are not able to see those Exhibits) JMHO

Open Records Memorandum Rulings
Recognizing that open government works best when rulings can be promptly issued, the Open Records Division (ORD) instituted a process to issue certain types of rulings more quickly. As part of this process, ORD is issuing abbreviated or memorandum rulings in certain instances. When ORD receives a request for a ruling, it is first assessed by staff to determine the level of difficulty that bears a direct relationship to the amount of time needed to rule on the request. Most requests for ruling that ORD receives require more time to resolve and require a complete explanation of the circumstances involved, the records at issue, and the applicable law. However, those requests that relate to information that is often requested and present no new or difficult issues are ruled on as quickly as possible.

To ensure that the affected parties receive a ruling quickly, the memorandum rulings identify as briefly as possible the ruling requested, the documents at issue, and the ruling as to the availability of the information. Issuance of some rulings in this manner results in a more efficient use of administrative resources and expeditious issuance of rulings. In this process, however, it is important that the public and governmental bodies understand the laws that form the basis for a memorandum ruling. To aid in a full understanding of this office's rulings, descriptions of the Public Information Act's exceptions that permit governmental bodies to withhold certain types of information from public disclosure are presented below.

Letter rulings are limited to the particular records at issue in a request and limited to the facts as presented to us; therefore, a ruling must not be relied upon as a previous determination regarding any other records or any other circumstances.

The issuance of a ruling triggers important deadlines regarding the rights and responsibilities of the governmental body and of the requestor. For example, governmental bodies are prohibited from asking the attorney general to reconsider a ruling. Gov't Code § 552.301(f). If the governmental body wants to challenge a ruling, the governmental body must appeal by filing suit in Travis County within 30 calendar days. Id. § 552.324(b). In order to get the full benefit of such an appeal, the governmental body must file suit within 10 calendar days. Id. § 552.353(b)(3), (c). If the governmental body does not appeal a ruling and the governmental body does not comply with it, then both the requestor and the attorney general have the right to file suit against the governmental body to enforce this ruling. Id. § 552.321(a).
More at link https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/og/open-records-memorandum-rulings

jmho

Mimi- Bless you soul. You are so good with the details. I'm a big picture kind of person, so it's appreciated. Blown away- whatever work you do away from WS- they are lucky to have you. JMO


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curiousjo said:

More MIL comments knocking MB ..."Tucker's letter seems to address the recent alleged revelations about the Bevers's marriage, reading, "I assume you were jumping up and down when the news [broke] about her life [being] not as perfect as a lot of people thought. Well, let me tell you a little secret you may not comprehend. No, she wasn't perfect and she never claimed to be. "But, the secret is, there is something called 'agape' love. Meaning, there really is a love you have, that no matter what you have done in the past or present, you still love them! "

So, MIL's letter to MB murderer stating let me tell you a secret- MB not perfect as a lot of people thought. Red flag! And MB did "things" in past and present but is still loved. Red Flag!

Who knocks a dead woman?! Lots of bitterness here. Red flags!!!!

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Agree. Been right at a month since we last heard from ANYONE .. MPD, BB and no new letters to the Killer from MT. Just everyone going social media private after all this time :thinking: odd JMHO, I would be wanting to keep it in the media to find my loved ones murderer.

arkansasmimi said:

Agree. Been right at a month since we last heard from ANYONE .. MPD, BB and no new letters to the Killer from MT. Just everyone going social media private after all this time :thinking: odd JMHO, I would be wanting to keep it in the media to find my loved ones murderer.

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My bet is on the individuals have retained legal counsel who has said stop talking/posting. JMO

arkansasmimi said:

Agree. Been right at a month since we last heard from ANYONE .. MPD, BB and no new letters to the Killer from MT. Just everyone going social media private after all this time :thinking: odd JMHO, I would be wanting to keep it in the media to find my loved ones murderer.

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It's true! LE had their last press conference on May 20. BB gave his exclusive interview to People Magazine May 25th. On June 3, detectives said they were stymied in their investigation. Then, *crickets*.

Let's hope a reporter is reading here and will make a call to see what's going on with Missy's investigation. I'm curious how many LE are still actively working the case.

observation said:

Mimi- Bless you soul. You are so good with the details. I'm a big picture kind of person, so it's appreciated. Blown away- whatever work you do away from WS- they are lucky to have you. JMO


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