‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[neese]

You know with every new case the mindset behind them never getting solved becomes clearer. LE is prolly as divided as we are here. Shame really. I hate that politically correct gets in the way of solving crimes. Throw tomatoes....a care, I do not give. :floorlaugh:

This is definitely just my opinion. And i must mention that I haven't always been fond of LE. But I have a feeling with this case...that LE knows a WHOLE lot more than we do. I think they may even know who did it and where Lisa is or was or basically, what happened. They still may have just circumstantial evidence so maybe they are focusing now on being sure they have rock solid info when they do make an arrest. I'm going out on a limb here to say, at this point, I'm very impressed of how close KC LE are keeping things mum. I know we all got used to the sunshine law and knew things practically as they were happening, regarding FL LE, and although I would totally love more information, I must say, I think LE is doing a darn good job of staying hush hush.

I could be wrong and maybe KC LE know just as little as we do, but I have a feeling that is not the case. I think they know plenty and they are playing their cards just right. JMO

 

[Wendy101]

I'm wondering........WHY would LE tell JI that DB said the baby wasn't his? PERHAPS....DB admitted to it and now she has no choice but to say "OH Those Mean LE".......hhhmmmmmmmmmmm...................................

humm... didn't JB say that the JI&DB were the cause of HIS relationship going sour, or something like that?

 

[SyraKelly]

And THIS is what makes me so angry with LE. I understand that they can try anything to get someone to confess, but as far as I'm concerned, Debbie would have broken right open if she was guilty of doing something to Lisa after THIS. I may end up eating crow, however I'm doubting it very much at this point.

Netz has stopped watching television in disgust. He’s not opening Facebook or reading emails, and he screens all calls.

He has angry words for the police, too.

He says officers called Debbie white trash in their interviews, told her to cut the innocence act, that it was obvious she’d killed Lisa. They said they’d found the body, showed her burnt clothes, he says.

“Then, they told Jeremy that Debbie had confessed to them that Lisa wasn’t his, even though she looks just like him! Eleven hours they talked with both Jeremy and Debbie, and when they asked for a break, the police announced they weren’t cooperating!”

The police deny those accusations. Legally, though, they can say anything they want in interviews and interrogations.

I am sorry-but until I see a video or hear a LE statement that this happened..I am not going to believe it!!JMO

 

[Velouria]

You don't have to understand it but sadly there still exists in the minds of many that old double standard that often gives fathers a pass when they fail to live up to their parental responsibilities while mothers get pilloried for any such failures. In the case of Zahra Baker, her biological mother was torn to pieces by many for having given her up as a baby as if she'd abandoned her in the street NOT left her in the care of her father and grandmother. Meanwhile, the father who dragged the child half way across the world away from a secure home, medical care and family and left her in the dubious 'care' of his bigamous new 'wife' and moreover couldn't pinpoint to within 3 weeks when he last saw his child alive was given a pass on the grounds of "well he's a guy, he was out at work, he's not all that sharp, how could he know?"

BBM

Excuse me, but WHUT? hwow:

Given a pass by whom, exactly ? AB may not have been criminally charged, but it certainly wasn't the consensus here on WS that he should be given a pass. Not by a longshot. :snooty:

There are plenty of us who hold him responsible for what happened to Zahra and feel it's a miscarriage of justice that he is free to walk the streets today, myself included.

 

[raeann]

humm... didn't JB say that the JI&DB were the cause of HIS relationship going sour, or something like that?

Hmmmm.....now IF it were that person's baby......why would it be SOMEONE ELSE"S fault that his relationship was going sour??????? Seems like it would pretty much be entirely his own fault in that case.

 

[neese]

Exactly. Suspicious. Her 'I was drunk' tale was told on the same day she gets Joe Tacopina as a "victim advocate" lawyer on October 17th. Suspicious. Cadaver dog hits on scent in her bedroom that same day. Suspicious. Playing dumb is a great defense strategy. Brilliant. Also, people don't black out immediately after a few glasses of wine. Lisa could have been checked on at any time she started drinking so blacking out may not even cut it if she is ever charged with anything.

Cadaver dog: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20539176,00.html

I was drunk: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20121276-504083.html

New lawyer: http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...enting-parents/story?id=14752818#.Trafn3L6MQM

I am a licensed Health/Life Insurance Agent, currently not practicing, (and not the rip off kind) however, I do know that if someone is intoxicated, we consider them to not be of sound mind and body and it is a crime if we let them sign any insurance form while in that condition. Or even if it is someone who has had a stroke and lost memory. So I do wonder, do any of you know if being blacked out drunk has ever been used as a defense in a murder trial??? I know that being wasted, won't have her declared mentally incompetent to stand trial but what about intoxicated to the point of "totally having no recollection of what happened to Lisa?" Is there any lawyer or LE here that can enlighten me? TIA :waitasec:

 

[norest4thewicked]

I am sorry-but until I see a video or hear a LE statement that this happened..I am not going to believe it!!JMO

Correct. Too much spin here (which I understand - he IS DB's dad afterall) but LE calling DB "white trash?" Really?

 

[justamommy]

It's nothing until LE confirms it was a positive hit and not a false positive. As of today, we have not been officially told by LE that Lisa is dead.

Good point... this article states that police are still treating as a missing person case, not muder.


http://www.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-given-polygraph-60433/

No suspects have been identified, and police are still approaching her disappearance as a missing person's case and not a murder case.

 

[Jacie Estes]

And THIS is what makes me so angry with LE. I understand that they can try anything to get someone to confess, but as far as I'm concerned, Debbie would have broken right open if she was guilty of doing something to Lisa after THIS. I may end up eating crow, however I'm doubting it very much at this point.

Netz has stopped watching television in disgust. He’s not opening Facebook or reading emails, and he screens all calls.

He has angry words for the police, too.

He says officers called Debbie white trash in their interviews, told her to cut the innocence act, that it was obvious she’d killed Lisa. They said they’d found the body, showed her burnt clothes, he says.

“Then, they told Jeremy that Debbie had confessed to them that Lisa wasn’t his, even though she looks just like him! Eleven hours they talked with both Jeremy and Debbie, and when they asked for a break, the police announced they weren’t cooperating!”

The police deny those accusations. Legally, though, they can say anything they want in interviews and interrogations.

"The actions of parents and of law enforcement in the first 48 hours are critical to
the safe recovery of a missing child, but the rawness of emotion can seriously
hinder the ability of parents to make rational decisions at this crucial time."

"It is important to note that there is no right or
wrong way to respond to the disappearance
of a child, nor is there a right or wrong way
to feel."

"Finally, as hard as it may seem, try to remain
hopeful. Remember that hope is more than a
wish, helping you to clear this hurdle. Hope is
essential to your survival."


http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/fam_surv.pdf

 

[vlpate]

Beane brought a FB link over about 3 weeks ago that JC had written (under the name of Chiarvalotti). Very weird post - so it doesn't surprise me that he called and told Deborah to confess or is implicating her to the media. I feel sorry for this guy, it's obvious he loved Deborah's mother very much - the (admitted), dysfunction is palpable.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/05...#ixzz1cuwJEf19

"Her uncle, Johnny Chivalette III, called her twice from Delaware, the second time to ask her to confess.

“She hung up on me. But you have to understand. Our family is so dysfunctional,” he said. He also wrote her a letter calling for her to give up. He sent a copy to The Star.

He’d already called the Kansas City Police Department and had a conference call with four detectives.

Chivalette said he told them how the tragedies of alcoholism wove through the family, causing pain and dysfunction, how siblings refuse to talk with each other, often for years.

Some family members think Chivalette just represents more of the dysfunction. Indeed, he concedes he has served time in prison.

Considering her mother’s genes, Chivalette thinks Debbie shouldn’t be drinking at all. But the night of Lisa’s disappearance, according to a source close the family, she’d consumed at least five glasses of wine while chatting with a neighbor on the porch.

“I don’t think she’d do something on purpose,” Chivalette says, “but I can see her hiding something after that. …

“Look, I hope they find baby Lisa with a clean diaper and a full tummy, but with my family, it’ll probably end worse.”

BEM - I can see DB hiding something as well. She seems to have no problem with being sneaky. Sneaks the truck, sneaks in and out of the house, sneaks into bed with SB, sneaks JI's address to use on a ticket. I feel sorry for her losing her mother, she seemed to be lost after that. IMO all.

 

[Wendy101]

Hmmmm.....now IF it were that person's baby......why would it be SOMEONE ELSE"S fault that his relationship was going sour??????? Seems like it would pretty much be entirely his own fault in that case.

What man take responsibility for his actions?:floorlaugh:

I don't know - just trying to fit him into the equation-due to the rumors that are out on the net about him.

Maybe SB was not really a friend, friend but a keep your enemy closer kind of friend? Maybe she kept DB busy while hubby went to task?

 

[Abby Normal]

Since SB is legally married to DB, I don't believe he would be entitled to any tests. The child is automatically assumed to be his because the two of them are legally married.

From personal experience (familial, not me) I know that presumed fathers (husbands) can question paternity with the same rights as a non-married male. Only difference is that paternity is presumed and established at time of birth by default. When contesting for child support, all men have the right to paternity unless their state has a statute of limitation law on paternity. IOW- in some states if a man accepted a child and raised them until 6, they've basically "adopted" a child regardless of biology.

In MO, disestablishment statute of limitation laws were enacted in Aug 09 dictating that once paternity was established (as it is the case of marriage, established by default) you only had a limited window on which to disestablish paternity. Until then there were no limits on how long one had to disestablish paternity. However, the law has not gone entirely into affect yet. It is only in affect for those who come to have paternity established since August 09. Others, regardless of when paternity was established, have until the end of 2011 to disestablish paternity.

Yes, SB had the right to question paternity all along, and he still does. I'm sure you can look up more on this statute and how it works if you're interested.
http://familylaw.mwortmanlaw.com/articles/child-support/

There is actually a decent amount of case law where presumed fathers (husbands) are given equal rights to disestablish paternity.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/pubs/reports/litigation/ch04.html

 

[not_my_kids]

That is such a good point. I am a good mother...but I have a "tough" past and if I went and got blackout wasted while in charge of the care of my child...or any other... There would be plenty of stuff pointing to what I was/am capable of. In other words, I am only a good mother until I am not. I have no idea if DB is responsible for a death here, but she sure is guilty of some serious neglect...fact is she was the care taker of her baby while SOMETHING very bad happened to her baby. MOO

I think that is true of a lot of us. My kids are my entire world...now. But if something were to happen to one of my children, my past would be not only a strike against me, it would likely be all three strikes for many people. I think here, I am giving DB the same thing that I would want. Yes, I may think she's guilty, but I don't think her entire past matters one whit to what happened to Lisa. She had a rough past, before Lisa was born...I don't think that matters. I do think that her condition on the night that Lisa went missing is relevant, but to me, it doesn't matter if she was drunk once in her life, or if she was drunk every night of her life. What matters to me is if she was drunk the night that Lisa disapparead, and whether or not her drunkenness had anything to do with whatever happened to Lisa.

 

[neese]

You know I use to think that, but after following some cases......you don't have to be smart. You really, really don't. All you have to do is stick to the same lame story over and over. Unless someone saw you committing the crime, odds are you are gonna walk. That sucks but it's so true for the majority of theses cases.

You are so right. There only needs to be reasonable doubt planted, as we all recently witnessed in Orland. Other examples; (If the glove doesn't fit), (GA ended up being the fall guy for the accidentally pool drowning) and who knows how the Conrad trial will turn out. Possibly (Mj would have gotten his cookies and milk, no matter who his doctor was), only this time, there were no cookies. Okay I just made that last one with Conrad up and it sounds really stupid, but ya get my point. If we can't agree on hardly anything on this message board together, can't you just imagine a jury trying to sort it out. :banghead:

 

[Peepers]

Just curious...why?

If LE really treated her like this I can see why they have lawyers and wont speak. Personally I dont consider LE godly, so I think its very possible the interrogations went like that. Not very conducive to getting to the truth, no matter what the truth is.

 

[chieftess]

I'm still not very far along in this thread to know what I'm talking about, however, I keep reading in different threads about DB not having a license and the question of can she drive being posed. Of course she probably "CAN" drive ie; meaning, she knows how to drive. As far as not having a license to drive, I assume some of you have looked to see if she has had a DUI and her license was taken or it could be as simple as, they could not afford their car insurance and let it lapse, therefore her license was suspended.

I don't know the MO laws, but here in Va., if we don't keep a motor vehicle insured, they will suspend our license unless we turn the tags into the Division of Motor Vehicles. I hate to admit, but the reason I know this is because, I was at a bad point in life a few years ago, could not afford my car insurance, DMV suspended my license becaue of it. I had to get SR22 Insurance and carry if for three years because of the suspension and I had to pay $500 to the DMV have my license reinstated. If the laws in MO are anywhere near like ours in Va. then it could be she has a suspended license for the above reason. Maybe one of the locals here can tell us how MO handles, insurance lapses. All I know is...it cost me a fortune to get my butt back on the road which is why I call my state, The Communist State of Virginia. instead of the Commonwealth State of Virginia. :floorlaugh: Truly though, we have some very very strict laws about everything. Our LE even have radar detector, detectors b/c they are illegal in Virginia. Just lots of laws due to being a Commonwealth.

Didn't see this answered yet.
In MO you are required to show proof of insurance at the time your vehicle is registered, or the tags are renewed. You receive an insurance card from your insurance provider and show it at DMV and you should keep it in your vehicle.
However, if your insurance lapses after the time of registration, the only consequence would be a ticket if you are caught.
I don't know anything about SR22 coverage in our state, so that might be different, than standard insurance coverage requirements.
Hope that made sense :crazy:

 

[norest4thewicked]

If LE really treated her like this I can see why they have lawyers and wont speak. Personally I dont consider LE godly, so I think its very possible the interrogations went like that. Not very conducive to getting to the truth, no matter what the truth is.

So...this is more about DB's hurt feelings than actually finding Lisa? Because I wouldn't care if LE called me everything imaginable in the book of dirty words, I'd talk to them until I physically dropped.

 

[matou]

I am a licensed Health/Life Insurance Agent, currently not practicing, (and not the rip off kind) however, I do know that if someone is intoxicated, we consider them to not be of sound mind and body and it is a crime if we let them sign any insurance form while in that condition. Or even if it is someone who has had a stroke and lost memory. So I do wonder, do any of you know if being blacked out drunk has ever been used as a defense in a murder trial??? I know that being wasted, won't have her declared mentally incompetent to stand trial but what about intoxicated to the point of "totally having no recollection of what happened to Lisa?" Is there any lawyer or LE here that can enlighten me? TIA :waitasec:

Now I'm thinking this 'blacked out' thing is bogus anyway. Watch this interview and how the interviewer is the one suggesting that DB could have blacked out. Also in the attached article, it states that DB drinks a few times a week. She also discloses how she acts when she drinks. She states in the interview that anyone who knows her knows that when she drinks she just goes to bed without saying goodnight or anything. She also claims that she only ever drinks when the children are asleep.

IMO there was NO BLACKOUT at all and she should have and could have recollected checking in on Lisa at any point. This cannot be a defense IMO.

http://www.ky3.com/news/wdaf-lisa-i...nts-talk-to-fox-news-20111017,0,1890802.story

 

[TorisMom003]

So...this is more about DB's hurt feelings than actually finding Lisa? Because I wouldn't care if LE called me everything imaginable in the book of dirty words, I'd talk to them until I physically dropped.

But what good would it do to have the same conversation with LE over and over and over? Nothing new is asked and they are instead lobbing the same claims of guilt at you (not you but the person they are interviewing). How is it helpful to sit there hour after hour after hour with LE refusing to listen to anything you have to say unless of course you confess to the murder of your child, even if you had nothing to do with it? At some point LE needs to realize that the way they are handling the case is not working and that perhaps they should change strategies.

MOO

 

[gwenabob]

I find it interesting that Debbie and her son haven't stayed in touch with Hazel. It seems like they were close.

My guess is because Hazel was no longer useful to DB. DB used up her goodwill with Hazel and moved on to the next host. JMO.