04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[kaRN]

God's country! :heartbeat:

(IMO of course :floorlaugh

I have an Acadian flag that proudly hangs from my balcony each summer to remind me of how beautiful Toronto is not LOL!!

 

[Sustained]

So I read the article. Flabbergasting. Sickening really. Sorry... I'm just one of those people who speak my mind.

There is a section on this forum that highlights bullying. Online bullying - in particular. We've all read the recent accounts. They're heartbreaking. Rational adults speak against it. No one considers the slander, horrific and even threatening comments by online bullies as "free speech". I'm lost as to why that could even be a question???

Regardless of what someone things of Jodi Arias - Alyce LaViollette is a hero. She's a woman who's dedicated her life to highlighting domestic abuse. Changing the way society thinks about it. Creating programs that address the problem.

I'm a woman who was never abused. Independent, headstrong (but funny) and very self-aware.

My sister is not.

Today I live with her after a terrible incident that ended 10 years of domestic violence and abuse. The kind that would make most people's hair stand on end. She was battered, raped, degraded and broken in every way you can break a human being. She escaped one night with her kids when her husband tried to kill them all. I came - the big sister. Moved in - helped and stayed and am still helping.

We went through the court process while her (now ex) was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced. The sentence never undid the harm. It never will.

The day Alyce LaViolette took the stand I listened. 5 minutes in - I ran to get my sister. She had to hear what this woman was saying. We stayed glued to the trial during her testimony. We have her book on order at our local book store (currently sold out).

What my sister learned from that testimony was more than she learned from 4 years of reading, therapy, talking, discussing, trying to work things out in her own head and heart.

The trial part - the Jodi Arias issues - they all faded into the background.

I know there are many others out there - abused and abuser alike who heard all that and maybe, just maybe are beginning to understand abuse a bit better.

I don't know Ms Arias. I wasn't present in that bathroom. I don't know what happened. The Prosecutor doesn't either. Nor does Ms Wilmot, nor Kurt Nurmie, nor the doctors who testified, nor the friends, family, police officers. They're all just doing their best to give their insight in the course of justice.

But I do know this. Alyce is an amazing woman. SHE'S not on trial. SHE didn't kill anyone. She gave her professional opinion, in a court of law - and she is certainly entitled to do so - without expecting harm to come to her. I hope she can put the bullies behind her and I wish her all the strength.

It is certainly not bullying to question LaViolette's opinion when it has been based primarily on 44 hours of clinical interviews soliciting the statements of a proven pathological liar with no corroborating evidence to back up any of those statements.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

ITA with you 100%.

Answering "No" to the question of whether JA was the greater perpetrator of DV w/ respect to TA's wounds pretty much negates the "hero" label. As does days of colluding with a DT that painted the victim as a partner beating pedophile without a shred of proof.

I don't condone threats of physical violence, but I feel not a drop of sympathy for her. None. You reap what you sew. Whatever fallout comes from her decision to back a murdering psychotic with a disgusting peanut butter mouth swish is totally deserved.

That answer was a seminal moment for her. She lost a large part of her humanity when she told the jury that Jodi was not the true perpetrator of domestic violence. Some people just go on auto-pilot and stop thinking about their beliefs.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

So I read the article. Flabbergasting. Sickening really. Sorry... I'm just one of those people who speak my mind.

There is a section on this forum that highlights bullying. Online bullying - in particular. We've all read the recent accounts. They're heartbreaking. Rational adults speak against it. No one considers the slander, horrific and even threatening comments by online bullies as "free speech". I'm lost as to why that could even be a question???

Regardless of what someone things of Jodi Arias - Alyce LaViollette is a hero. She's a woman who's dedicated her life to highlighting domestic abuse. Changing the way society thinks about it. Creating programs that address the problem.

I'm a woman who was never abused. Independent, headstrong (but funny) and very self-aware.

My sister is not.

Today I live with her after a terrible incident that ended 10 years of domestic violence and abuse. The kind that would make most people's hair stand on end. She was battered, raped, degraded and broken in every way you can break a human being. She escaped one night with her kids when her husband tried to kill them all. I came - the big sister. Moved in - helped and stayed and am still helping.

We went through the court process while her (now ex) was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced. The sentence never undid the harm. It never will.

The day Alyce LaViolette took the stand I listened. 5 minutes in - I ran to get my sister. She had to hear what this woman was saying. We stayed glued to the trial during her testimony. We have her book on order at our local book store (currently sold out).

What my sister learned from that testimony was more than she learned from 4 years of reading, therapy, talking, discussing, trying to work things out in her own head and heart.

The trial part - the Jodi Arias issues - they all faded into the background.

I know there are many others out there - abused and abuser alike who heard all that and maybe, just maybe are beginning to understand abuse a bit better.

I don't know Ms Arias. I wasn't present in that bathroom. I don't know what happened. The Prosecutor doesn't either. Nor does Ms Wilmot, nor Kurt Nurmie, nor the doctors who testified, nor the friends, family, police officers. They're all just doing their best to give their insight in the course of justice.

But I do know this. Alyce is an amazing woman. SHE'S not on trial. SHE didn't kill anyone. She gave her professional opinion, in a court of law - and she is certainly entitled to do so - without expecting harm to come to her. I hope she can put the bullies behind her and I wish her all the strength.

I didn't snip this for a reason:
I am really sorry for the terrible things that happened to your sister. She is lucky to have someone to support her and help her rebuild her life. She is very, very lucky. No one deserves to be unsafe anywhere, particularly inside their homes.

I have absolutely nothing positive or productive to say regarding your comments about Alyce LaViolette. :shutup:

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[Mellinyce]

This reminds me of JA, her team, and her followers...its how I think they perceive her and how she manipulates them into thinking how they do about her... unfortunately...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjZAc7aV1Xw

From Twilight Eclipse Soundtrack

 

[LinasK]

If she is missing pages in her journal, then perhaps she ripped them out because her hand writting was different. That might of been during the time she broke her finger. A different hand writting would have been detected.

Or, because she wrote things that would incriminate her. Her journals with ripped out pages are another thing she has in common with Casey Anthony, scary!!! Gas cans too!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I had no idea it was possible to DESPISE our Jodi Arias any more than I already did. What a disgusting, revolting, insulting SLAP IN THE FACE to Travis' family!!! She gets such a kick out of tormenting them--from glares and stares in court to the bull$it abuse/pedophile stories to the brutal, premeditated killing. I hate her.

Guess what, Jodi? Your life is over. You never get to experience real, meaningful life again--but Travis' family does. Draw that.

And she's drawn her in the nude.

 

[MistyM]

This is one of my favorite pics of Travis. That "oh gosh" look on his face, and how he seems to just be in awe of life.


View attachment 32501

and today someone linked a post with more post mortem pix and i saw the whole face of travis after he lay in the shower for five days, murdered. it made me sick inside thinking about how she took all that away from him.

eta: he looks like my little brother.

 

[JustMeDeb]

82,000 + messages between Travis and JA? Sheesh, no wonder her finger is messed up!

 

[EquallyDivided]

Obviously, my mother abused me. :furious:

Clearly, and I hear that there's a dude named Dr. Samuels that hands out PTSD cards out like candy on Halloween. Maybe you can get diagnosed and have a 'get out of jail free' card for later down the road.

Did your mother own any wooden spoons!? *bonus round*

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Brought over from Legal thread 3/23/13

Quote:
Originally Posted by AZlawyer
How about...Travis went into a sudden rage and "body slammed" Jodi because she dropped his camera, so Jodi ran and got a gun and pointed it at him with her finger on the trigger and "accidentally" but recklessly shot him. Which is pretty much what she said happened.

If the gunshot alone would have killed him even without the stab wounds--which IIRC the Medical Examiner said it would--or if the stab wounds resulted from a continuing "heat of passion" type of fight stemming from the gunshot--I think a reasonable juror who believed Jodi's ridiculous story could find her guilty of manslaughter.

ETA: Really, since she completely failed to mention making any determination that deadly force was necessary against Travis, and in fact said she had no intention of shooting him at all, it seems like the purpose of putting her on the stand was not to raise a self-defense argument but rather to get a manslaughter instruction.

Posted by Katydid23:
AACCKKK. Now you are making my big brother look really smart---because he is a California attorney and this is exactly what he said tonight. I posted it earlier in the other threads because he scared me.

He told me he believes they already abandoned the straight Self Defense strategy and they are setting up the manslaughter/battered woman scenario. He practices in the SF Bay Area and that is a very big trend there--victims of gender inequality, etc.

He believes they are laying that foundation already and LaViolette will bring that home.

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Here is what I had posted earlier:

I don't know anymore. I am actually kind of worried, for the first time. I just had dinner with my older brother, an attorney. We briefly talked about this case, and I was saying how confident I was, because the DT has not and will not be able to prove Self Defense.

My bro said 'so what ?'. They are probably not even really aiming for that. A great strategy is sometimes to 'hide the ball in the laundry basket', as he calls it. You get the state to spend time and energy arguing against 'self defense' and so they feel confident in their position. Meanwhile the DT slowly builds a legal foundation for something else, and gets the judge to include the lesser charges.
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So we saw this coming a full month ago. I am sure JM did as well.

That really sucks :tsktsk:. My grumpy cat avatar is me right now after reading your post. I really hope your brother is wrong (sorry for saying that....and it's meant with all due respect).

 

[panthera]

bring on the gas cans!!!! I am so waiting for this in rebuttal.

Walmart and Tesoro....cannot wait!!!

:great:

 

[deedee21]

Closearugs, What else did she do? Lets see. DATELINE, 48 HOURS, and INSIDE EDITION. She did an on line memorial.

 

[Bernina]

You know, when the whole KC debacle was going on, I initially thought she was a fairly attractive person but then the more I saw photos or watched videos, the more I found her to be kinda bizarre looking. I couldn't pinpoint what it was though -she just looked weird. I get the same from Jodi. Oh, and that little hole in Jodi's lips when her mouth is closed drives me batty! I keep waiting for a snake tongue to flicker out of it! Has anyone else noticed that?

:truce:I was participating on the FB/Juan Martinez site for a few months. I had mentioned that with JA's big hands, square chin, implants, she really looked like a transsexual. Nothing snarky there folks, back in the day, my best shopping and ladie's night bar hopping buddy was a drag queen, looked like a 10, dressed like a 10, all that and a bag of chips, well, and a few extra "bits". After court started, I just couldn't figure out what was "off" about JA's appearance, just weird......then one day I was listening to Aerosmith..."Dude looks like a Lady...". Just MHO, folks, no offense intended, just an observation.....:truce:

 

[LambChop]

She also lied on her CV

Plus ALV approached a family member of the victim which is against the law according to what ALV testified to when asked if she talked to Travis' family members.

 

[LinasK]

She also lied on her CV

Exactly! Keynote Speaker does not = Keynote Breakout Speaker. It's a much bigger deal. People will attend a seminar or lecture to hear just the keynote speaker, it's like a guest speaker. They had them in my field conferences too. Alyce was just part of a panel afterwards, much smaller audience, and she was on the same level as everyone else on her panel.

 

[Nhic]

"It appears Dr. Geffner is a hired gun on Death Penalty cases and in the matter of David M. Clarke his testimony was found to lack credibility.

The state trial court found that Dr. Geffner's affidavit lacked credibility for three reasons: (1) the evaluation, which makes conclusions as to Clark's conduct in 1987, was conducted five years later, in 1992; (2) Dr. Geffner did not review the court records or a transcript of the trial testimony; and (3) Dr. Geffner relied upon records from Clark's childhood in Pennsylvania, with no records since 1976, and upon hearsay information supplied by Clark's attorneys, with no independent verification of the information, and interviews with Clark. The state court further found that, even if credible, Dr. Geffner's affidavit does not support a conclusion that Clark was either incompetent or insane at the time of the murders, or that he did not act deliberately within the meaning of the first special issue. The state court noted that Clark testified that he had not taken any drugs on the day of the murders, and found that Clark's trial counsel had no indication that Clark was suffering from drug withdrawal at the time of the murders. Moreover, the state court pointed out that, in any event, evidence that Clark was acting under a drug-induced delusion when he committed the murders would have been immaterial to an insanity defense and "would not have conflicted with the overwhelming evidence of deliberateness."


Does anyone know where this case can be found? TIA!

 

[EquallyDivided]

:blushing: Really? Do they say why?

Do you REALLY want to know?

It makes other object appear LARGER - or so my hubs says. He offers, I decline

 

[Rocco]

So I read the article. Flabbergasting. Sickening really. Sorry... I'm just one of those people who speak my mind.

There is a section on this forum that highlights bullying. Online bullying - in particular. We've all read the recent accounts. They're heartbreaking. Rational adults speak against it. No one considers the slander, horrific and even threatening comments by online bullies as "free speech". I'm lost as to why that could even be a question???

Regardless of what someone things of Jodi Arias - Alyce LaViollette is a hero. She's a woman who's dedicated her life to highlighting domestic abuse. Changing the way society thinks about it. Creating programs that address the problem.

I'm a woman who was never abused. Independent, headstrong (but funny) and very self-aware.

My sister is not.

Today I live with her after a terrible incident that ended 10 years of domestic violence and abuse. The kind that would make most people's hair stand on end. She was battered, raped, degraded and broken in every way you can break a human being. She escaped one night with her kids when her husband tried to kill them all. I came - the big sister. Moved in - helped and stayed and am still helping.

We went through the court process while her (now ex) was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced. The sentence never undid the harm. It never will.

The day Alyce LaViolette took the stand I listened. 5 minutes in - I ran to get my sister. She had to hear what this woman was saying. We stayed glued to the trial during her testimony. We have her book on order at our local book store (currently sold out).

What my sister learned from that testimony was more than she learned from 4 years of reading, therapy, talking, discussing, trying to work things out in her own head and heart.

The trial part - the Jodi Arias issues - they all faded into the background.

I know there are many others out there - abused and abuser alike who heard all that and maybe, just maybe are beginning to understand abuse a bit better.

I don't know Ms Arias. I wasn't present in that bathroom. I don't know what happened. The Prosecutor doesn't either. Nor does Ms Wilmot, nor Kurt Nurmie, nor the doctors who testified, nor the friends, family, police officers. They're all just doing their best to give their insight in the course of justice.

But I do know this. Alyce is an amazing woman. SHE'S not on trial. SHE didn't kill anyone. She gave her professional opinion, in a court of law - and she is certainly entitled to do so - without expecting harm to come to her. I hope she can put the bullies behind her and I wish her all the strength.

She shouldn't have said she has testified for 1 or 2 men in criminal trials when the truth is she has never testified for any. And she should have been respectful to Mr. Martinez----he was just doing his job. She showed him no respect whatsoever and that didn't make HIM look bad-----it made HER look bad. I won't even go into what I think of her approaching Travis's sister after the things she said about her deceased brother who can not defend himself against accusations.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

That answer was a seminal moment for her. She lost a large part of her humanity when she told the jury that Jodi was not the true perpetrator of domestic violence. Some people just go on auto-pilot and stop thinking about their beliefs.

(BBM)
Thank you. That is exactly what I was feeling, but couldn't put it in the right words.