17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[jjenny]

I cannot understand how that pic of GZ's head can be real. The more I look at it the less I believe it is real. If GZ was on the ground getting his head repeatedly smashed in to the cement, where are the blood smears ? there would be blood transfer to the cement or even the grass, the blood on his head is undisturbed. I would think that there would've been abrasions or scrapes too. Something is not right here JMO :maddening:

And you know there was no blood on grass/cement how exactly?

 

[m00c0w]

IANAL....that is IMO....there is no known chain of possession...who took the pic, when, was it turned over to police and when, who had it from the time it was taken, was it altered in any way since it was taken, where has it been and who had it all this time???

If the photographer is called on as a witness, they most certainly can use it from my understanding of the florida law/case law and pictorial testimony.

 

[Sensei]

I cannot understand how that pic of GZ's head can be real. The more I look at it the less I believe it is real. If GZ was on the ground getting his head repeatedly smashed in to the cement, where are the blood smears ? there would be blood transfer to the cement or even the grass, the blood on his head is undisturbed. I would think that there would've been abrasions or scrapes too. Something is not right here JMO :maddening:

and even worse, you really can't even tell from the photo that we have seen that it IS George Zimmerman....I can't wait to see what comes of this in Court when they answer who took the photo, and why and where it's been all this time, ect. they WILL have to authenticate it before it can be used in any trial, and I find it hard to believe that was the state of George's head and yet the SPD did not take any photos of his injuries, and have documented none of them except for a passing remark about blood under his nose and on the back of his head, that's real thorough isn't it. JMO IMO and stuff.

 

[Isabelle]

He let her down, imo.

Can it be possible that SA did as much work on this case as SPD? Sickening.

 

[Isabelle]

And you know there was no blood on grass/cement how exactly?

Rain probably washed it away.

 

[Isabelle]

Why in the world would Zimmerman get on the witness stand and admit that he didn't know if the person he murdered was armed or not? Wouldn't an average person rather err on the side of caution instead of possibly taking the life of someone who was unarmed? Again, it fits with the reason that the prosecution is filing a second degree murder charge.

I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html



~jmo~

Kind of like admitting he didn't know if his life was really in danger.

 

[uvamerica]

And you know there was no blood on grass/cement how exactly?

Blood may have dripped onto the cement or grass, but it wasn't from GZ's head being pushed or smashed into the cement/grass, the blood on the back of his head would've smeared across his head . It appears to me that whatever GZ's head made contact with it was one time, not repeatedly. the blood drippings down his head are undisturbed . This is my opinion.

 

[Zak]

This is what the investigator said about evidence GZ followed Trayvon. It is not as some have represented today that the investigator said he had no evidence that GZ followed Trayvon. The State has GZ's calls, the newly revealed witness, previously known witness statements, and the fact that GZ and Trayvon ended up at the same location together. Omara is is merely pulling a defense trick in ignoring what evidence is there and attacking what isn't there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

O'MARA: -- or who they were or anything.

GILBREATH: They -- I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.

O'MARA: Ok. Besides that any other evidence to support your conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow?

GILBREATH: Other than his call and that witness?

O'MARA: Yes.

GILBREATH: And the fact that where it ended up. No.

O'MARA: Well you do have some other evidence don't you? We had Zimmerman's statement, don't you?

GILBREATH: We have Mr. Zimmerman's statements, we have the shell casings and we had Mr. Martin's body.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right and let's -- let's talk about Mr. Zimmerman's statements to you and to law enforcement that night.

More at above link

Anyone notice that Gilbreath also said shell casings? If there was only one shot fired then it should be shell casing. And this comes from one of the states lead investigators? :floorlaugh:

 

[Aedrys]

Today was all about swinging public opinion. If you read the comments under most news stories, especially the bloody shot, it has been highly effective.

GZ is not talking to the jury pool. First and safest route out of this is to get a judge to say it meets the SYG rule. He is making a statement for the judge.

This being a high profile case not everyone is going to want to take the heat of setting him free and may pass the buck just like the SA did when they overcharged him with murder 2. Manslaughter is a much more reasonable charge but the public would have been outraged with anything less than a murder charge.

Overcharging Casey Anthony backfired and let the jury say they didn't PROVE their case. Common sense may tell you what Casey did but the jury said they didn't PROVE it. I don't think they have a murder 2 case. GZ called the police, witnesses put TM on top of the struggle, now their is a photo of GZ's injuries, he is going to get on the stand and say he is sorry but what he BELIEVED at the time was different.

Unless he takes a deal, I think he walks.

Casey's case was also way way WAY more complicated than this one. We're not really sure where Caylee died or what exact time. There was no actual crime scene other than the back of Casey's car, and where Caylee's skeletal body was eventually found. We still don't know if she died there, or if she was placed there after death and then dumped when she began to smell too bad from decomposition. And that's just the beginning. Casey lied for an entire month. By the time Caylee was found, she was just a skeleton, which made Forensics very complicated as well. This case had complications on top of complications that I could go on and on about after following it for more than three years.

Zimmerman's case is TOTALLY different. We have an actual crime scene, Trayvon's body not long after it was shot, witnesses who actually some part of the fight (most likely the last part) and GZ not denying that he shot TM. I don't see, how in the world, that he's going to walk.

I know I'm guilty for making comparisons between Casey's case and Zimmerman's, but they are FAR from identical (though, the growing similarities give me a headache, but still). I just can't see GZ walking, not unless he and his friends and family gives the Academy Award winning act of their lives on the stand and the jury is picked with the same people from Pinellas County. Heck, I don't even think they would let GZ go, and that's saying a LOT about them! And GZ is already telling lies that are going to come back on him in a bad way. Casey wasn't actually the greatest liar around, but she was far better than GZ. He is a LOUSY liar and those lies will be disproven in court. We have only seen a fraction of what the prosecution has.

And we don't know all the evidence the prosecution even has yet. I wouldn't be so sure to jump the gun on this one and just assume he's going to walk. I'm not making assumptions either, by the way. Casey's case taught me that anything can happen in a courtroom. I won't believe he's convicted until I hear those words in court.

 

[HiHater]

This is what the investigator said about evidence GZ followed Trayvon. It is not as some have represented today that the investigator said he had no evidence that GZ followed Trayvon. The State has GZ's calls, the newly revealed witness, previously known witness statements, and the fact that GZ and Trayvon ended up at the same location together. Omara is is merely pulling a defense trick in ignoring what evidence is there and attacking what isn't there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

O'MARA: -- or who they were or anything.

GILBREATH: They -- I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.

O'MARA: Ok. Besides that any other evidence to support your conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow?

GILBREATH: Other than his call and that witness?

O'MARA: Yes.

GILBREATH: And the fact that where it ended up. No.

O'MARA: Well you do have some other evidence don't you? We had Zimmerman's statement, don't you?

GILBREATH: We have Mr. Zimmerman's statements, we have the shell casings and we had Mr. Martin's body.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right and let's -- let's talk about Mr. Zimmerman's statements to you and to law enforcement that night.

More at above link

Great post!

 

[TonyGatto]

The person who took the photo would have to answer the questions:

"So a man lay mortally wounded on the ground and the first thing you did was take a photo of the head of the shooter?"

"Did GZ ask you to take the photo?"

Would like to know the relation of the photog and GZ -- did they know each other?

I have no doubt the photo is real -- but I believe it will add to GZ setting things up. It doesn't look good when you don't try to help a victim you just shot, and it's even worse when you're taking pictures of your wounds instead of helping the dying man.

 

[Just K]

Does anyone else think GZ's injuries may have been caused by scratching himself? Seems to me the two witnesses saw him with his hands behind his head.

in an overwhelmed state as to what he had just done, he may very well have bashed himself in the head with the barrel of his semi-automatic 9mm. (As in, $h!*, $h!*, WTH did I just do? ...whacks self for doing something so impulsive and violent...what was i thinking? Whack!

Many people, in frustration, will actually smack themselves upside the head.

 

[TonyGatto]

About the investigator saying he didn't have any evidence showing who started the fight...

While this was a blunder of perception (he could have said it very differently), it really doesn't mean much. We all know there is no one piece of evidence, such as video, that is going to prove who threw the first punch. GZ will tell his story, and then the rest of the evidence, the call to police, GZ's multiple statements to police, will either support it or not.

 

[jjenny]

About the investigator saying he didn't have any evidence showing who started the fight...

While this was a blunder of perception (he could have said it very differently), it really doesn't mean much. We all know there is no one piece of evidence, such as video, that is going to prove who threw the first punch. GZ will tell his story, and then the rest of the evidence, the call to police, GZ's multiple statements to police, will either support it or not.

Legally, prosecution will need to prove his story of self-defense is false for them to get a conviction. And they are planning to do that exactly how? They don't know who started the fight, apparently. Somebody saw two men, one following the other? Well, who was following who? That's reasonable doubt right there.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I want to know what that email says that George can't remember writing?? I guess it's supposed to be about Tracy?? I bet the FDLE has been keeping a realllll close eye on George and his computer activity! His website alone is damaging and shows a man with no remorse. I am going to fall out if he had the audacity to write negative things about Tracy Martin and then get up in that courtroom and apologize for killing their son!

Hope we get a doc. dump on Monday!

I read that GZ stayed in contact with FDLE before his rest and developed a trust relationship. That is disturbing, imo. He is such a manipulator, jmo. I do like the prosecutor and am confident in his confidence that the state has enough evidence to prove their case and send GZ to prison for the murder of Trayvon Martin. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

I read that GZ stayed in contact with FDLE before his rest and developed a trust relationship. That is disturbing, imo. He is such a manipulator, jmo. I do like the prosecutor and am confident in his confidence that the state has enough evidence to prove their case and send GZ to prison for the murder of Trayvon Martin. jmo

BBM

This was in reference to him letting the FDLE know where he was when he was out of state and making sure they could find him if necessary. The "trust relationship" being he's demonstrated he's not a flight risk and will abide by FDLE's requests.

 

[m00c0w]

in an overwhelmed state as to what he had just done, he may very well have bashed himself in the head with the barrel of his semi-automatic 9mm. (As in, $h!*, $h!*, WTH did I just do? ...whacks self for doing something so impulsive and violent...what was i thinking? Whack!

Many people, in frustration, will actually smack themselves upside the head.

On the back of his head? I'm not sure I could contort myself into a position where I could effectively slam the barrel of a compact pistol into the back of my head like that, just out of frustration or being overwhelmed.

 

[HiHater]

Legally, prosecution will need to prove his story of self-defense is false for them to get a conviction. And they are planning to do that exactly how? They don't know who started the fight, apparently. Somebody saw two men, one following the other? Well, who was following who? That's reasonable doubt right there.

The prosecution does not have to necessarily prove who started the fight.

It seems to me that the prosecution has enough evidence to discredit GZ's numerous and differing statements. Would that not be enough to disprove a self-defense claim? If GZ has no credibility, that in and of itself is enough to throw out any and all statements made by him. JMO MOO IMO

 

[chefmom]

in an overwhelmed state as to what he had just done, he may very well have bashed himself in the head with the barrel of his semi-automatic 9mm. (As in, $h!*, $h!*, WTH did I just do? ...whacks self for doing something so impulsive and violent...what was i thinking? Whack!

Many people, in frustration, will actually smack themselves upside the head.

I agree this is possibly the answer. Unless there is another picture I have not seen, the one picture that I did see looked to be a puncture wound. Definately not a wound that would make me think he should have been in fear for his very life. Makes me think of the Caylee-reaching-for-the-door-handle picture.

 

[chefmom]

On the back of his head? I'm not sure I could contort myself into a position where I could effectively slam the barrel of a compact pistol into the back of my head like that, just out of frustration or being overwhelmed.

Why would it be difficult? If he were hitting himself with his feet, maybe. But, his hands? I am confused as to why it would be difficult to hit himself on the head unless his arms were unusually short. JMO