17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #30

[Aedrys]

Unless the judge ordered GZ to come up with the entire bond in cash (something I have not heard or read in the transcripts), then typically the family only has to pay a bail-bondsman 10% of the total bond.

So GZ's family is probably just coming up with $15,000. If it were my family, we could transfer money from 401Ks and the like, but it takes a few days for the transferred funds to become available.

They also need collateral for the rest since it's such a large amount, and that takes time too. Plus, apparently his website raised more than enough funds by Friday, but I guess it takes time to get all the paperwork done.

 

[m00c0w]

The time was 7:12 EST

Where, on the bill, does it state that EST is used? TIA.

 

[Nova]

I'm not sure how it works because Casey Anthony had to come up with a large amount for her bond. It seemed like she had to pay the whole thing to get out of jail. I think. Or at least, I think Padilla put up that much to get her out of jail or something. I honestly am confused about bail bonds and how they work.

In short, yes, the bail-bondsman keeps the 10% paid toward the bail.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/bail-getting-out-of-jail-30225.html

 

[Phoenixfla]

We know he didn't just seem him and open fire. No one has ever said that. My gosh, if that were the case, this whole case would be a heck of a lot simpler. Instead, he thought TM was suspicious, followed him, then shot him. That suspicion stayed with him enough to make him shoot TM. That is the point here. What other reason would he have to follow then shoot TM other than he thought he was stopping a criminal from getting away? And I don't buy fearing for his life because he wouldn't have chased TM down in the first place if he was so scared of him. GZ wanted to be the hero stopping bad guys in his neighbhorhood. He wasn't going to stop that night. He didn't care about age or if TM was armed. He perceived TM as a criminal, and that made it okay for him to kill TM, plain and simple.

I dont think he feared for his life until the physical fight. I dont believe he will have to show that he was in fear of losing his life the entire time, just in the few moments before he pulled his gun and used it.

I understand you see it different and i dont think either of us will know for sure until all the evidence comes out. I am prepared to accept this as a murder or manslaughter if that is what all the evidence shows.

 

[Just K]

This case had been on the top of my mind. It's caused some of my friends and I to argue a bit on Facebook. I'm very late to the discussion here, but my thoughts have always been why did George follow Trayvon? He was told by the 911 operator that he didn't need to do that. If he would have heeded the advice he received from a professional, none of this would have happened.

Also, he had a gun, Trayvon did not. George is not a cop and after reading the rules of the neighborhood watch association by the police woman who started the group, he was in the wrong for carrying a gun "while on the watch".

The rest of the facts are scattered, but really, those are two of the most important things to keep in mind. "Stand Your Ground" wouldn't apply here, in my opinion.

I just want to see justice for Trayvon. He did not deserve to die.

If GZ hadn't seen Trayvon that evening he may have seen and targeted him another night. He was hell-bent on catching himself a case and a criminal. IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO!

 

[jjenny]

From the transcipt of Zimmerman's charge affidavit of second degree murder.

http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.co...est-and-charge-affidavit-second-degree-murder

Zimmerman who also lived in the gated community, and was driving his vehicle observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police. Zimmerman spoke to the dispatcher and asked for an officer to respond because Zimmerman perceived that Martin was acting suspicious.

Yea, well, that affidavit is missing quite a few things and appears to assume quite a few as well.

 

[TorisMom003]

Where, on the bill, does it state that EST is used? TIA.

Why would it NOT be EST since the call occured in Sanford Florida?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Then why does it say "The date and time for all calls corresponds to Pacific Time (PST/PDT)."?

I don't think I'm asking unreasonable questions, and to characterize it as "jerking your chain" is a little much.

Just an expression, thought you were kidding. Look at the top of the first sheet. First line is Your Profile. How long has it been since you've seen a time sensitive document or web site that didn't have a way to customize it to your own time zone?

WebSleuths has it, don't you think T Mobile is likely to have it?

 

[m00c0w]

Just an expression, thought you were kidding. Look at the top of the first sheet. First line is Your Profile. How long has it been since you've seen a time sensitive document or web site that didn't have a way to customize it to your own time zone?

WebSleuths has it, don't you think T Mobile is likely to have it?

Then it doesn't seem likely that it would say, "The date and time for all calls corresponds to Pacific Time".

Emphasis mine.

 

[Just K]

Where, on the bill, does it state that EST is used? TIA.

T-mobile does not identify individual times on the bill anymore. The way you get a detailed log of T-mobile individual calls is to go on-line to T-Mobile.com or MyTMobile.com. Once there you will get a detailed log laid out like the one that has been cited. The bills no longer even identify any individual calls/times/durations.

 

[m00c0w]

Why would it NOT be EST since the call occured in Sanford Florida?

Because the disclaimer at the bottom of the page says it isn't. It specifically states that all calls correspond to Pacific Time.

 

[Donjeta]

They do. Especially the call started at 2:38 that lasted for 103 minutes... But the next call is at 2:45.

I wonder if these are the records for all four phones on his plan.

I don't know if it makes sense that way either because there appears to be nothing after 2/26 except three calls on 3/2 and I'm pretty sure the other family members needed their phones and called someone when they found out that Trayvon was missing/dead and had to deal with everything.

 

[m00c0w]

T-mobile does not identify individual times on the bill anymore. The way you get a detailed log of T-mobile individual calls is to go on-line to T-Mobile.com or MyTMobile.com. Once there you will get a detailed log laid out like the one that has been cited. The bills no longer even identify any individual calls/times/durations.

My apologies for calling the call log the bill. I thought it would be apparent what I was referring to. In the PDF document I posted and have since referred to, that covers all of the times calls were made and the duration of these calls, where does it state the times are EST?

 

[TorisMom003]

Because the disclaimer at the bottom of the page says it isn't. It specifically states that all calls correspond to Pacific Time.

Can you link to what you are talking about please. From Concerned Papa's screenshot I don't see that type of disclaimer. TIA

ETA: NM, I went back and looked at other posts and found the link. Thank you for posting it earlier and sorry I did not see it then. It doesn't make sense to me that all calls would be in Pacific time when they occured in Florida. Who knows though why it is like that.

 

[Boytwnmom]

up until he straddled Trayvon and "frisked" him for weapons and stolen goods and came up with...nothing. THEN the story couldn't be he shot a burglar who was getting away, it was he stopped this homicidal maniac who tried to kill him for no reason. And it just happened to be the same person he called 911 on and followed-wow, who would have thought Trayvon was out to get poor George. Once Trayvon wasn't the burglar criminal GZ had determined he was then it had to be something else criminal that Trayvon did and so making Trayvon the aggressor fit the bill especially if Trayovn had tried to defend himself and so GZ got injured in some way. I think the screams on the 911 tape tell me enough-those were not the screams of someone in a "fight" those were screams of someone who had a gun pointed at him and thought he was going to die and did because GZ decided to shoot him.

We know he didn't just seem him and open fire. No one has ever said that. My gosh, if that were the case, this whole case would be a heck of a lot simpler. Instead, he thought TM was suspicious, followed him, then shot him. That suspicion stayed with him enough to make him shoot TM. That is the point here. What other reason would he have to follow then shoot TM other than he thought he was stopping a criminal from getting away? And I don't buy fearing for his life because he wouldn't have chased TM down in the first place if he was so scared of him. GZ wanted to be the hero stopping bad guys in his neighbhorhood. He wasn't going to stop that night. He didn't care about age or if TM was armed. He perceived TM as a criminal, and that made it okay for him to kill TM, plain and simple.

 

[m00c0w]

I don't know if it makes sense that way either because there appears to be nothing after 2/26 except three calls on 3/2 and I'm pretty sure the other family members needed their phones and called someone when they found out that Trayvon was missing/dead and had to deal with everything.

It might be call waiting, but that sure is a lot of call waiting... You'll see that same inconsistency scattered throughout the document.

 

[Donjeta]

They do. Especially the call started at 2:38 that lasted for 103 minutes... But the next call is at 2:45.

I wonder if these are the records for all four phones on his plan.

Can you put a call on hold on T-Mobile while you answer another incoming phone call and then return to the original call? What would it look like on the bill?

 

[m00c0w]

Can you link to what you are talking about please. From Concerned Papa's screenshot I don't see that type of disclaimer. TIA

I posted the part here:

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That is found in the document I posted here:

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It was literally on the previous page and what all of my comments have revolved around.

 

[m00c0w]

Can you put a call on hold on T-Mobile while you answer another incoming phone call and then return to the original call? What would it look like on the bill?

Potentially, but you also have things like this:



Where both calls were initiated by that account and overlapped. And one was apparently to a T-Mobile number and one was not.

 

[Karmady]

Unless the judge ordered GZ to come up with the entire bond in cash (something I have not heard or read in the transcripts), then typically the family only has to pay a bail-bondsman 10% of the total bond.

So GZ's family is probably just coming up with $15,000. If it were my family, we could transfer money from 401Ks and the like, but it takes a few days for the transferred funds to become available.

But I think they will forfeit the bond if GZ absconds, so they will need to also come up with sufficient collateral to cover the entire amount in case that were to happen, no?. In that case, while they would only have to come up with $15k in cash, they would have to have an additional $135k in collateral -- home equity, for example, and execute the supporting documents in favor of the bonding company. jmo