18 y/o Black male shot dead by Police in St Louis suburb of Berkeley MO

[CHERIE.T]

The cop has a clean record; the deceased is already a career criminal at a young age. Yet some immediately assume the wrongdoing is on the part of the cop and the innocence has to on the part of the deceased. How can that be explained? Interesting....

It just seems so logical imoo.

 

[tlcya]

I thought we were talking about the shooting of AM. I discussed the h*ll out of MB shooting incident and the "hands up don't shoot" rhetoric. For months. On those threads. It has since moved over to the NYPD threads and some very good discussion took place there several evenings ago. I refuse to base my responses on the erroneous (willful or simply uninformed) narrative of livestreaming rabble rousers out looking for the next riot to film. But that's just me.

 

[krimekat]

Joshua L. Williams, 19, is charged with 1st degree arson, 2nd degree burglary and misdemeanor theft at the convenience store. The incident happened after Berkeley police officers shot and killed Antonio Martin, 18, in the 6800 block of North Hanley at Mobil On the Run gas station. Martin was allegedly armed and pointed a gun at officers.

Court records say Williams is captured on surveillance video starting fires inside and outside the QT. Police also say Williams has confessed to the crimes.


Read more: http://www.kmov.com/news/Charges-filed-in--286924481.html#ixzz3N8W3iMwk

he's one of the "peaceful" protesters

 

[MyBelle]

Joshua L. Williams, 19, is charged with 1st degree arson, 2nd degree burglary and misdemeanor theft at the convenience store. The incident happened after Berkeley police officers shot and killed Antonio Martin, 18, in the 6800 block of North Hanley at Mobil On the Run gas station. Martin was allegedly armed and pointed a gun at officers.

Court records say Williams is captured on surveillance video starting fires inside and outside the QT. Police also say Williams has confessed to the crimes.


Read more: http://www.kmov.com/news/Charges-filed-in--286924481.html#ixzz3N8W3iMwk

he's one of the "peaceful" protesters

He helped himself to a lighter, gum and money before he torched the place. Yet another raised without a value system but there seems to be an even a bigger problem and that is the convenience stores who allow their premises to be gathering places for thugs.

 

[Really?]

I thought we were talking about the shooting of AM. I discussed the h*ll out of MB shooting incident and the "hands up don't shoot" rhetoric. For months. On those threads. It has since moved over to the NYPD threads and some very good discussion took place there several evenings ago. I refuse to base my responses on the erroneous (willful or simply uninformed) narrative of livestreaming rabble rousers out looking for the next riot to film. But that's just me.

:clap:.......exactly....and well said

on a side note....o/t.......I have not seen Lindanj7?....I think is the name.....I am in NJ and just noticed I have not seen them posting.....sorry for the o/t....just hope all is well.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

:clap:.......exactly....and well said

on a side note....o/t.......I have not seen Lindanj7?....I think is the name.....I am in NJ and just noticed I have not seen them posting.....sorry for the o/t....just hope all is well.

Yes, I haven't seen LindaNJ posting at all lately and I wonder what happened?
She always contributed so nicely here at WS....very bright!

LindaNJ where are you?

 

[tlcya]

Perhaps time for a visitor or personal message. People get busy with life and the holidays compound that. I hope all is well.

 

[Really?]

o/t.....not on my list.....perhaps somebody has it.

 

[Opie]

Just one more o/t, but I checked Linda's profile and she has posted today in another thread. Whew!

 

[CHERIE.T]

hummmm........I just checked and Linda7NJ hasn't posted since 9/26.

 

[Opie]

So sorry. I read the wrong spot on Linda's profile page. 9/26 is definitely the last post from LindaNJ.
Back to the topic of this thread.

 

[al66pine]

pub Dec 28, 2014.Sorry if already linked and discussed.

• 
  
  " ...charged Saturday, Dec. 27, 2014, ...Williams, 19, of St. Louis, ... held on $30,000 bond."

"A protester who advocated for peaceful demonstrations ...charged Saturday with setting fire to a convenience store ....
Williams, who was frequently quoted and photographed protesting Michael Brown's death,
is accused of using lighter fluid to set multiple fires inside and outside a QuikTrip in Berkeley.
...Williams confessed in a videotaped interview, and ... actions were captured by surveillance video and by news media.
The QuikTrip was looted after a white Berkeley police officer shot and killed Antonio Martin,....
Williams has been arrested at least twice during Ferguson-related protests for unlawful assembly as well as refusal to disperse.
...in September quoted him as saying, "... show them we can be peaceful, that we can do this.
If not, they're going to just want us to act up so they can pull out their toys on us again.". sbm bbm

http://centurylink.net/news/read/ca...ester_in_st_louis_area_charged_with_arson-ap/

ETA --- a local MSM link for story and 2 min vid:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_ad4006c5-06ab-5b7e-8a7f-3fd2ed4dbbcb.html
At 56 sec, shows him at microphone in ~early Sept council meeting. Green sunglasses & US flag around his neck.


Is this how __% of the peaceful protestors give the other __ % of peaceful protestors a bad name? Just wondering.

 

[Elley Mae]

hummmm........I just checked and Linda7NJ hasn't posted since 9/26.

Correct, but she came back in on the 12/20 maybe that is when she put up the kitten w/the santa hat on her page. Hope all is well with her.

 

[al66pine]

'character reference' re QuikTrip arson arrestee, pix'ed ^above.
.
"“Josh is one of the young activists, and all of us have taken close to him.
We got to know his heart, and he got to know ours,” said Bishop Derrick Robinson, of Kingdom Destiny Fellowship International.
“He’s a great kid, an educated kid, a child who knows what he wants and is very active in the community.”
.
Please, Bishop, did you mean to say -
--- taken close to him? Or taken in by him?
--- great kid? And the not-so-great kids are those serving life sentences or on death row?
--- educated kid?
If bit more educated, might have disguised self & avoided surv & MSM cam detection.
If a lot more educated, might not have lit up QuikTrip.
---active in the community? Well, yes, active in some ways, just not all good ones.
How well did you say you know him and the other young activists?
Beauty and character are in the eye of the beholder? It's all relative? JM2cts.
.
"Williams’ most recent confrontation of St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson during a Ferguson Commission meeting ....
Williams came within feet of Dotson and shouted at him as he tried to answer questions from the panel.
“Can someone please get this lying (expletive) ho off the mic!” Williams yelled."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/protester-who-advocates-peace-charged-with-setting-fire-at-berkeley/article_ad4006c5-06ab-5b7e-8a7f-3fd2ed4dbbcb.html.

 

[MsFacetious]

I still feel this is clearly a justified shooting.
I hope people are able to separate this case from the shootings that are not justified.
It doesn't help their cause to use a subject like this... it will only weaken their argument.
Unfortunately that will not stop people from getting hurt or killed anyway. :thinking:

I think cops serving no knock warrants usually need a good reason to kill someone in the house, such as somebody points a gun at them. Has there been a case where they entered the wrong house and shot innocent, unarmed people?

Absolutely.
Along with times they entered the wrong house and shot armed people who thought they were being robbed.
(I would consider them innocent people as well.)

7 year old Aiyana Jones killed while sleeping in a no knock warrant on the wrong side of a duplex:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-s-Murder-Aiyana-Jones&highlight=aiyana+jones

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/11/prosecutor_hasnt_dropped_case.html


61 year old man killed in police raid on wrong house:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475


Man dies during police raid after officers pile on top of him while he struggles to breathe:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/03/17/grand-jury-no-charges-for-officer-in-stun-gun-death/


Marine killed by SWAT team that raids his house (had a gun, didn't point it):

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police...cle_832b91ca-5b21-517d-bf8d-124008f63529.html


Man killed by SWAT team 2 days after his home was robbed, thought the burglars were back:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ld-david-hooks-the-latest-drug-raid-fatality/


This one surprised me I must admit.
Man kills cop in no knock raid - charges dropped - it was self defense:

http://www.policeone.com/drug-inter...charge-for-man-who-fatally-shot-Texas-deputy/

 

[MyBelle]

I still feel this is clearly a justified shooting.
I hope people are able to separate this case from the shootings that are not justified.
It doesn't help their cause to use a subject like this... it will only weaken their argument.
Unfortunately that will not stop people from getting hurt or killed anyway. :thinking:



Absolutely.
Along with times they entered the wrong house and shot armed people who thought they were being robbed.
(I would consider them innocent people as well.)

7 year old Aiyana Jones killed while sleeping in a no knock warrant on the wrong side of a duplex:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-s-Murder-Aiyana-Jones&highlight=aiyana+jones

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/11/prosecutor_hasnt_dropped_case.html


61 year old man killed in police raid on wrong house:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475


Man dies during police raid after officers pile on top of him while he struggles to breathe:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/03/17/grand-jury-no-charges-for-officer-in-stun-gun-death/


Marine killed by SWAT team that raids his house (had a gun, didn't point it):

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police...cle_832b91ca-5b21-517d-bf8d-124008f63529.html


Man killed by SWAT team 2 days after his home was robbed, thought the burglars were back:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ld-david-hooks-the-latest-drug-raid-fatality/


This one surprised me I must admit.
Man kills cop in no knock raid - charges dropped - it was self defense:

http://www.policeone.com/drug-inter...charge-for-man-who-fatally-shot-Texas-deputy/

Thanks for the links. I opened the first one and found this:Weekley claimed Mertilla Jones, Aiyana's grandmother, hit his gun, causing his finger to move onto and pull the trigger, firing the bullet that killed Aiyana.

Jones testified at trial, accusing of Weekley of lying about the incident and claiming, though prosecutors never did so, that he killed the child on purpose.

I just don't believe cops intentionally enter the wrong house or purposely kill innocent people unless they, themselves, feel threatened. It also is waaaay off topic because this case involves a shooting that took place outside and the officer had a gun pointed at him.

 

[Sonya610]

Thanks for the links. I opened the first one and found this:Weekley claimed Mertilla Jones, Aiyana's grandmother, hit his gun, causing his finger to move onto and pull the trigger, firing the bullet that killed Aiyana.

Jones testified at trial, accusing of Weekley of lying about the incident and claiming, though prosecutors never did so, that he killed the child on purpose.

I just don't believe cops intentionally enter the wrong house or purposely kill innocent people unless they, themselves, feel threatened. It also is waaaay off topic because this case involves a shooting that took place outside and the officer had a gun pointed at him.

Did you read the Washington Post article that detailed half a dozen or so shootings or deaths in JUST the state of Georgia?

I don't think police intentionally shoot innocent people in their homes, but they DO intentionally carry out these "no knock warrants" often WITHOUT verifying the houses. High speed car chases were banned in most areas years ago because they caused the deaths of INNOCENT people on the roadways. In those cases the suspect was running, in these cases the suspect is IN THE HOUSE and could certainly be contained until captured.

 

[reedus23]

My take, and you'll find such language in many Supreme Court cases, is that sometimes it might just be better that one criminal escape arrest if that avoids one innocent person from being killed. There are other ways and days to find the criminal and arrest him/her.

Regarding MyBelle's post, I don't think cops intentionally enter the wrong house or intentionally kill innocent people either. I think it is a failure in the system, the policies, the procedures and the culture that has developed that leads to such things. It is hard to blame the cop with boots on the ground for these things. It is the higher ups and the system that put them in these situations.

 

[TorisMom003]

My take, and you'll find such language in many Supreme Court cases, is that sometimes it might just be better that one criminal escape arrest if that avoids one innocent person from being killed. There are other ways and days to find the criminal and arrest him/her.

Regarding MyBelle's post, I don't think cops intentionally enter the wrong house or intentionally kill innocent people either. I think it is a failure in the system, the policies, the procedures and the culture that has developed that leads to such things. It is hard to blame the cop with boots on the ground for these things. It is the higher ups and the system that put them in these situations.

And in the past few months (since MB's death) in MO more than one criminal has escaped arrest. Has an arrest ever been made for the young man that was shot in his car, put in his trunk and lit on fire? The one that occurred in the apartment complex of the MB shooting? What about arrests for all of the threats of killing officers? The arrests of the looters? Of the ones that burned down those businesses?

This case appears to be truly a justified shooting. Unfortunately there are many that will never see it that way. All they will see is that a "young black man" was killed by LE. Never mind the fact that the man pulled a gun first. All children should know at a very young age, you pull a gun on a cop (really anyone) you WILL get shot. Period, end of discussion. And it doesn't matter what color of skin the child has either. We teach our kids to not play in the road because a car could hit and kill them. We teach our kids all manner of things to keep them safe and protect them. We should all be teaching our kids to obey police officers, as long as it is not an unreasonable request.

There have been numerous folks that did in fact cheer when they heard that a police officer had been shot. They were absolutely gleeful about it. Then they heard that the police officer that was shot, had shot the black "kid" that shot him. Talk about a drastic change in attitude. Then it was Oh hell no. How dare he do that to a black "kid". So while some may not have heard about cheering when an officer was reported being shot, I personally witnessed it myself thanks to the fools that decided to live stream their behavior.

MOO

 

[Sonya610]

Just saw this...3 days ago there was ANOTHER assassination attempt on a cop in NC:

Officer J.T. West was sitting in his marked patrol car working on a report when he saw two suspicious men coming up from behind his car near an abandoned apartment building.

West got out of his car to speak to the men, but before he could say a word, one of them pulled a handgun from his waistband and fired six shots at the officer. One of the bullets struck the police vehicle.

The man who fired the gun was described as a black male, 18 to 25 years old, approximately 6 feet tall with a skinny build.

http://abc11.com/news/durham-police-officer-targeted-by-gunman/451010/

There has been VERY little MSM coverage on this. How many other cases are occurring with no coverage?