2009.03.20 Document Release

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Did anyone notice, yet again, this latest document dump seems to back up Casey's behavioral problems didn't really kick in until after she got pregnant?
I've thought from the beginning she might be bi-polar because it seems to me it can be triggered by hormonal changes, and a pregnancy would fit. Does anyone have any knowledge I have missed of any statements of lying, stealing, etc., before the pregnancy?
TIA
Lanie

This really stood out to me as well, Lanie.

Early on a poster said her sister in law taught Casey in High school and did not remember her to be any trouble.

Jr High and High School friends report no problems.. It wasn't until she got pregnant that this all started.
Lie 1. Denied pregnancy till after 7th month.
Lie 2. Lies to new bf that the baby was his.. Started dating JG the first of 2006 had to get preg the first week or so of November.. OF HER SENIOR YEAR.. When her bf at the time stated shey did not party much... (did some guy date rape her? and cause her to want to use men like he used her? Did she hate the fact she was carrying the baby of a rapist?)
Lie 3. Lie about the father
Lie 4. Lie about job
the lst goes on.. her BFF's that knew her the longest.. Ryan, Lauren, Kio, all say.. this is not the Casey they knew.

She changed groups of friends in 2007.
 
As I say, Cindy has her own issues.. which allow her to remain in such relationships. How long would a "normal" woman allow herself to be treated in the manner she allows not only her daughter but her husband to treat her? The fixer.. busy "fixing" everyone but themselves.

IMO, we need to throw a little martyr syndrome in there, too.
Lanie
 
But understand, they surround themselves with people much like those they've fooled all of their lives. They are great at one thing: CONNING OTHER'S! therefore, easy to fool. They are drawn to people like JG, who, even tho was lied blatantly to about Caylee's paternity, fooled into believing she was a 'good' girl who didn't party or fool around on him all the while, she was doing just that. He even mentioned hangover's, her lying and his father said all she did was bad mouth her parents and tell tall tales. She was a 'chameleon' and mirrored herself into what she thought he wanted in a GF/wife, got bored and wanted to openly do what she was doing behind his back.
For him to say she is a 'different' woman is merely denial. He's discounting her HUGE lie about the baby and all the other behavior's cuz she could sweet talk and con him into never believing anything negative about his sweet little 'lady'. Later, she wants her family to stay as far away from him as possible. WHY? So they can't compare notes, can't find out she really was saying her mother's nuts and so on.
She puts on an act with each and every person she's with, put herself out there as a good person, good mother in front of people, yet she had to separate her friend's because her lifestyle and lies were so out there she couldn't have them comparing notes.

Her best friend since middle school just told LE in the interview just released that her lies were what turned her off from the friendship, even after many years and thru HS. She says she wasn't the same girl either YET she was a liar and that got into the way of their relationship. She knew Casey couldn't have a career that she was working in school herself toward, cuz Casey didn't go to school for it--or anything. She said that even tho CMA's babysitter called the Gym (iirc) where she told her (lauren) she worked and they said they'd never heard of her, Casey maintained she did work there and even has a BADGE, LOL. That carp worked with her parents for YEARS and she told LE, well, I have a badge (for Universal) another words, she didn't care what they said, she worked there and that's that. This 'friend' knew all these things YET says, she was suddenly different??? I mean, she admits that Casey even believed her own lies!
Same with the A's, they 'know' her but they don't because they had no idea she was capable of murder YET she'd done many cruel things by stealing, lying and it wasn't just the partying or the friend's/lover's or all just out from left field. It had been going on for years.
A person doesn't get the way this woman is overnight. they fool every person they come across and make sure to attach themselves to people who are gullible and easily taken advantage of. You could tell some still had a hard time telling the LE the way it was with her. The grandmother knew! Couldn't understand how CA let it go ten days let alone 31 with all the stories and excuses she got from Casey during all that time she was gone.
She was so good at it, C & G believed she wasn't pregnant! In the face of other's telling them WTH's wrong with you--look at her!
Listen to the July 30 jail visitation. A poster wrote one paragraph. She showed no compassion, no conscience NOTHING about Caylee, or her parents feelings but went on and on about herself.

This is sociopathy. Pathological. It doesn't happen overnight or because of some flood of hormones or stressful event. This is not how those things manifest themselves, this is a personality disorder.

I have worked with these people and I could see it in the first phone call--the 911 where her mother's a wreck yet she's nonchalant. And the second where she's having a temper tantrum, wants her way and by the way they don't care about her, they only want Caylee back, that's all they want. It was all a huge waste, that call. Because for once it wasn't going to be about her no matter how much she wanted it to be.

CMA is nothing but a predator, she has honed her skills over the short years of her life to get where she is today.

ETA: Holy moly I wrote a BOOK! So sorry!!!!

:clap::clap::clap:

This post is sooo great it deserves a bump. :)
 
This really stood out to me as well, Lanie.

Early on a poster said her sister in law taught Casey in High school and did not remember her to be any trouble.

Jr High and High School friends report no problems.. It wasn't until she got pregnant that this all started.
Lie 1. Denied pregnancy till after 7th month.
Lie 2. Lies to new bf that the baby was his.. Started dating JG the first of 2006 had to get preg the first week or so of November.. OF HER SENIOR YEAR.. When her bf at the time stated shey did not party much... (did some guy date rape her? and cause her to want to use men like he used her? Did she hate the fact she was carrying the baby of a rapist?)
Lie 3. Lie about the father
Lie 4. Lie about job
the lst goes on.. her BFF's that knew her the longest.. Ryan, Lauren, Kio, all say.. this is not the Casey they knew.

She changed groups of friends in 2007.


Bold mine-

She did however remember Cindy to be trouble.. a helicopter parent is what she called her. There were an issue or two this "teacher" had with Casey's mom iirc.
 
This really stood out to me as well, Lanie.

Early on a poster said her sister in law taught Casey in High school and did not remember her to be any trouble.

Jr High and High School friends report no problems.. It wasn't until she got pregnant that this all started.
Lie 1. Denied pregnancy till after 7th month.
Lie 2. Lies to new bf that the baby was his.. Started dating JG the first of 2006 had to get preg the first week or so of November.. OF HER SENIOR YEAR.. When her bf at the time stated shey did not party much... (did some guy date rape her? and cause her to want to use men like he used her? Did she hate the fact she was carrying the baby of a rapist?)
Lie 3. Lie about the father
Lie 4. Lie about job
the lst goes on.. her BFF's that knew her the longest.. Ryan, Lauren, Kio, all say.. this is not the Casey they knew.

She changed groups of friends in 2007.

Bolded by me.
What I bolded is not correct. Caylee was born August, 2005. Casey graduated, or almost graduated, in the spring of 2004.
The rest is what I have seen, as well. Yeah, Casey did lie about the dog, but who didn't lie about one stupid thing or another?
I've read a lot of the other posts on here about this becoming so blatant because she had a baby and didn't want all the responsibility that entailed, but it doesn't quite fit. This interview with Melina seems to imply, at least to me, Casey didn't start lying or one-upping until recently in their relationship. The reason for their on-again, off-again relationship up the then seemed to be because they were going in different directions. There were no rumors of her being a liar or being easy in high school. It still seems to me this is more of an abrupt change of personality than one building up over most of her life.
JMO
Lanie
 
Ok, but WHY would Dean bring the snake home and put it in his freezer?!! Especially, as this was before the remains were found? And, it looks to be a very big snake...

Am I the only one who is puzzled by the frozen snake?:)

The saving of the snake------probably a guy thang. My oldest son kept 2 live rattlers in his tool box. He never missed any of his tools. LOL Not the same thang as a dead one, I know. I have seen many boys/men save snakes they have killed. Maybe he was planning on skinning it and putting it on a board to stretch and dry. A trophy, so to speak.
 
Bolded by me.
What I bolded is not correct. Caylee was born August, 2005. Casey graduated, or almost graduated, in the spring of 2004.
The rest is what I have seen, as well. Yeah, Casey did lie about the dog, but who didn't lie about one stupid thing or another?
I've read a lot of the other posts on here about this becoming so blatant because she had a baby and didn't want all the responsibility that entailed, but it doesn't quite fit. This interview with Melina seems to imply, at least to me, Casey didn't start lying or one-upping until recently in their relationship. The reason for their on-again, off-again relationship up the then seemed to be because they were going in different directions. There were no rumors of her being a liar or being easy in high school. It still seems to me this is more of an abrupt change of personality than one building up over most of her life.
JMO
Lanie

It is quite possible that Casey did not tell extravagent lies from the beginning. It is possible that she began with small lies and worked her way up into the pathological state that she now finds herself in. There had to have been something there from about the age of 15 on developing, slowly but surely into the monster mom that we know and despise. Perhaps it became more difficult for her to "manage" her long lists of lies once their was a baby involved and things became more complicated. Perhaps her personality disorder developed as a response to her own parents disorders? We just don't know. One thing is clear, whatever is wrong with her is no small thing and someone close to her should have noticed.

It is also possible that Casey was a "late bloomer" and when she bloomed, she really bloomed.
 
The saving of the snake------probably a guy thang. My oldest son kept 2 live rattlers in his tool box. He never missed any of his tools. LOL Not the same thang as a dead one, I know. I have seen many boys/men save snakes they have killed. Maybe he was planning on skinning it and putting it on a board to stretch and dry. A trophy, so to speak.

I agree. We used to have this friend who loved to capture any kind of wild animals and if it was a snake, he would sometimes keep them-live. He showed up at our house one day with a bag and whipped out a snake he had just run over on his motorcycle. He thought it was still alive and wanted to show it to us, but alas it was dead. Perhaps this guys had that same kind of "fetish"? Or he may have been working on a snake-skin purse for his wife.:D
 
Guess my comment belongs here...

What do you want to bet the INTERNET SCAM GA lost money on was totally fabricated by KC and she scammed the monies? :doh:

"I thought I recognized that email address...."
 
The saving of the snake------probably a guy thang. My oldest son kept 2 live rattlers in his tool box. He never missed any of his tools. LOL Not the same thang as a dead one, I know. I have seen many boys/men save snakes they have killed. Maybe he was planning on skinning it and putting it on a board to stretch and dry. A trophy, so to speak.

LOL! It is definitely a southern guy thang. We have rattlesnake roundups here in TX. The skins are put on boards, made into belts, made into hatbands, etc.
Lanie
 
She saw from the day Caylee was born and Cindy held her first that the loyalty and love would be shifting away from her to Caylee. Caylee was EVERYTHING to George and Cindy.
Casey was a lying, theiving, thorn in the Anthony's side.
The ONLY reason for them not to throw her out, not to confront her lies about a babysitter, Caylee's father, Casey's job, her partying, her drugging, her drinking, her stealing, her ID theft, her staying out all night with this guy or another guy was because of their love for Caylee.

No matter what, Casey had legal custody of Caylee. No father in the picture anywhere. So, Caylee was the pawn, to be used by Casey to get her way in the Anthony household. It's why no one in the family stopped her from doing the things she did to them and to her grandparents, even.

They knew that if she got mad, she would take her bags and Caylee and leave and would hide out with one guy or the other for possibly years. I'm sure that's what Cindy thought she had done when Casey killed Caylee.
I think the ONLY reason the Anthonys put up with Casey's BS is because
their love for Caylee over-rode everything else. She was innocent, helpless, needed protection. She loved them dearly too.

As far as why Cindy doesn't hate Casey now- She's lived in denial about Casey for over three years that we know of, beginning with Casey's obvious pregnancy.
Cindy and George aren't emotionally healthy or they would have done things differently with Casey and her threats to take Caylee and leave. Casey, an able-bodied adult, lived OFF THEM in THEIR house. They ALLOWED her to stay there, rip people off, including them and the grandparents, to stay out all night, etc. wHY?
Because their love for Caylee Marie Anthony and their need for her in their lives was stronger than their outrage at Casey...


It was a very bad situation that ended on the day that Cindy finally snapped, the two had a huge fight, and Caylee ended up murdered. by her angry, self-serving mother.

Rememer- Cindy had already been to therapy and had been advised to throw Casey out. She didnt- because Casey would have taken Caylee with her out of spite. No other reason, just spite.
 
She saw from the day Caylee was born and Cindy held her first that the loyalty and love would be shifting away from her to Caylee. Caylee was EVERYTHING to George and Cindy.
Casey was a lying, theiving, thorn in the Anthony's side.
The ONLY reason for them not to throw her out, not to confront her lies about a babysitter, Caylee's father, Casey's job, her partying, her drugging, her drinking, her stealing, her ID theft, her staying out all night with this guy or another guy was because of their love for Caylee.

No matter what, Casey had legal custody of Caylee. No father in the picture anywhere. So, Caylee was the pawn, to be used by Casey to get her way in the Anthony household. It's why no one in the family stopped her from doing the things she did to them and to her grandparents, even.

They knew that if she got mad, she would take her bags and Caylee and leave and would hide out with one guy or the other for possibly years. I'm sure that's what Cindy thought she had done when Casey killed Caylee.
I think the ONLY reason the Anthonys put up with Casey's BS is because
their love for Caylee over-rode everything else. She was innocent, helpless, needed protection. She loved them dearly too.

As far as why Cindy doesn't hate Casey now- She's lived in denial about Casey for over three years that we know of, beginning with Casey's obvious pregnancy.
Cindy and George aren't emotionally healthy or they would have done things differently with Casey and her threats to take Caylee and leave. Casey, an able-bodied adult, lived OFF THEM in THEIR house. They ALLOWED her to stay there, rip people off, including them and the grandparents, to stay out all night, etc. wHY?
Because their love for Caylee Marie Anthony and their need for her in their lives was stronger than their outrage at Casey...


It was a very bad situation that ended on the day that Cindy finally snapped, the two had a huge fight, and Caylee ended up murdered. by her angry, self-serving mother.

Rememer- Cindy had already been to therapy and had been advised to throw Casey out. She didnt- because Casey would have taken Caylee with her out of spite. No other reason, just spite.

Oh, I completely understand the family dynamics! FYI I was not stating that something what wrong with your mind-set nor what I speaking at that time about Casey's mind-set, I was speaking of Cindy's. I already knew Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter, that was clear from "day 1". I didn't need SP's pondering to convince me of that, seeing Cindy and Casey in action was enough.
 
LOL! It is definitely a southern guy thang. We have rattlesnake roundups here in TX. The skins are put on boards, made into belts, made into hatbands, etc.
Lanie

Haha, sounds like the Rattlesnake Rodeo in Opp, Alabama.
 
LOL! It is definitely a southern guy thang. We have rattlesnake roundups here in TX. The skins are put on boards, made into belts, made into hatbands, etc.
Lanie

LORDY Y'all scaring this Canadian folk with the snake things. I've been in TX for ABOOT 10 months, have yet to see me a snake. Turtles everywhere, snakes nope. :croc:
 
She saw from the day Caylee was born and Cindy held her first that the loyalty and love would be shifting away from her to Caylee. Caylee was EVERYTHING to George and Cindy.
Casey was a lying, theiving, thorn in the Anthony's side.
The ONLY reason for them not to throw her out, not to confront her lies about a babysitter, Caylee's father, Casey's job, her partying, her drugging, her drinking, her stealing, her ID theft, her staying out all night with this guy or another guy was because of their love for Caylee.

No matter what, Casey had legal custody of Caylee. No father in the picture anywhere. So, Caylee was the pawn, to be used by Casey to get her way in the Anthony household. It's why no one in the family stopped her from doing the things she did to them and to her grandparents, even.

They knew that if she got mad, she would take her bags and Caylee and leave and would hide out with one guy or the other for possibly years. I'm sure that's what Cindy thought she had done when Casey killed Caylee.
I think the ONLY reason the Anthonys put up with Casey's BS is because
their love for Caylee over-rode everything else. She was innocent, helpless, needed protection. She loved them dearly too.

As far as why Cindy doesn't hate Casey now- She's lived in denial about Casey for over three years that we know of, beginning with Casey's obvious pregnancy.
Cindy and George aren't emotionally healthy or they would have done things differently with Casey and her threats to take Caylee and leave. Casey, an able-bodied adult, lived OFF THEM in THEIR house. They ALLOWED her to stay there, rip people off, including them and the grandparents, to stay out all night, etc. wHY?
Because their love for Caylee Marie Anthony and their need for her in their lives was stronger than their outrage at Casey...

It was a very bad situation that ended on the day that Cindy finally snapped, the two had a huge fight, and Caylee ended up murdered. by her angry, self-serving mother.

Rememer- Cindy had already been to therapy and had been advised to throw Casey out. She didnt- because Casey would have taken Caylee with her out of spite. No other reason, just spite.

It should have been their love for Caylee that made them NOT cater to Casey's whims. True love for Caylee would have been for her mother to BE her mother and for them to have encouraged this and supported it. True love does not attempt to smother another persons love or "one-up" it. Casey was Caylee's mother, and they should have insisted that she BE that instead of doing what they had done in every other situation in which Casey found herself, which was to take care of it for her.

As for them "looking over" her atrocities for their love of Caylee? That is not love. That is weakness and dependency, but not love. Love does not look over and allow negligent, immoral and or unethical behavior as its source. If they loved her so much, then they should have let her go like the old saying goes. In letting go they may have been able to save her. In clinging and looking over all the wrong, in the end, they did nothing to protect her and look where she ended up-dead. I am not saying it was their "fault". I am saying that they enabled her all those years in all of her other behaviors and continue to enable her to this very day and cover and lie for her. Caylee is gone, and yet, the enabling of Casey beats on. If it was about their love for Caylee then it would have ended when they knew Caylee was gone. This is not the case. It still has not ended and I doubt that it ever will. When one "looks over" crime and allows it to grow larger and more serious in order to have ones own will fulfilled, one is not engaging in "love" one is engaging in dependency.

Also regarding the "therapy" that Cindy went for, her mother tells us in this new doc dump that she went, was told to toss Casey and knew that she could not possibly do this and never went back again. That is not therapy. Therapy would have been to have done the deed and tossed her out on her ear.
 
Does anyone know when the last day of school was? If school or summer school was in session, that time frame would have been right about when school would be dismissed. Crazy time to dump a body.

I found a archive 2007/2008 school calendar and Wed June 4th was the last day of school for Orange County FL

Here is the link.
http://www.eastlake.ocps.net/Downloads/OCPS_calendar_07-08.pdf

I also believe if summer school was in session during that time frame the students could have been dismissed from school at 1pm instead of the normal 3pm regular school time. (My kids do not go to Orange County schools, and I am basing that on my own county's time)

Not sure if it applies but, summer school (in my county) in recent years has only been taught Monday to Thursday with the schools being closed on Friday to save $$$$.
If Casey was near the school on Suburdan on a Friday then perhaps summer school was not in session.
 
I would love to know how she called Ryan P. on that day:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=537209787

I hope the link worked. If it didn't, go to http://www.dc.state.fl.us/
and search on Ryan P. in the active inmates.

Thanks.

*Lastname snipped*

IMHO, this appears to be another error in the LE report.

At exactly the time LE's report states, 20:33:39 on 6/17, after placing a call to Time & Weather (as LE's report correctly states), Casey received an INCOMING call from G&C's home phone and let it roll to vmail. There were no outgoing calls until 21:12:56...which was a call placed to Tony L.

Also, FWIW, the lastname provided in LE's report has the same first initial as the lastname of Casey's best guy-friend...also a Ryan P...however, his lastname sounds sorta like "Days Lee".

Hope that helps.
 

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