2009.04.13 State To Seek Death Penalty For Casey Anthony

[JimNJPA]

I hope to God that Casey is found guilty and the DP is swiftly carried out!

 

[Where's Andre]

I would think one can strike a plea, if both parties are willing, any time before the verdict.

It gets a bit like "Deal or no Deal?" as things go on, however. Casey will probably wait it out to the last briefcase and the banker won't settle for anything less than LWOP.

 

[JBean]

Yep. It's kind of like divorce court and other civil proceeding that way, isn't it? If someone decides they want to, they'll try. The question will be if it's during trial, will the prosecution entertain it?

All depends on how the case is going. Just like on Law and Order

 

[Chanler]

I would think one can strike a plea, if both parties are willing, any time before the verdict.

I think that the critical phrase here is "if both parties are willing." At some point, the prosecution seems to have come to the realization that they have the goods (and, though they won't admit it, the general support, of the potential jury pool) to make conviction possible on their terms. I think that, at this point, even a plea deal for life with the possibility of parole would seem like a sweetheart gift. A lot of factors play into this, including the public perception of grisly details (the poor child transported, dead or alive, in a trunk; the duct tape; Caylee's partying while her baby was missing; her coldness; the list goes on.)

 

[Dear Prudence]

I have a strong suspicion that the SA has "upped the ante" to the death penalty because they don't have any more damning or conclusive evidence against KC, and they're trying to maneuver her into accepting a plea.
I hope to God that I'm wrong.

Does anyone else agree? I guess we need a poll, don't we.

I do think you are wrong. I don't think the state would "up the ante" just to try to get someone to plea to a lessor charge. The state believes they have plenty of evidence for the DP and so do I. All of us here are somewhat jaded to the evidence in this case because we have followed it so closely for so long. The jurors that are eventually picked will probably have heard of this case but not have followed it as we have. So imagine hearing the totality of evidence in court for the first time like: KC never reporting Caylee missing, last person seen w/victom is KC, smell of decomp in the car, Caylee's hair w/death band in car, the Body Farm reports of decomp gases in car, pictures of KC partying while Caylee missing, multiple witnesses stating KC was completely normal while Caylee was missing, remains of Caylee found .25 of a mile from KC's home, remains found with duct tape wrapped around the skull and duct tape on mouth matches duct tape at KC's home, remains found in garbage bags and laundry bag both of which have matches found at KC's home.

To me this is damning and conclusive evidence against KC and I didn't even go into the murderer's ridiculous story about an imaginary nanny.

Nope, the state is not doing this hoping for a plea. The state is doing this for justice for Caylee.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I was just watching my local news and they did a poll during their 10pm newscast that if KC is found guilty of murder, should she get the death penalty? An overwhelming 91% of respondants said yes. I do believe that no matter where this trail is held, that people will know of this case and that there are people out there that believe that KC is guilty and doesn't deserve the same air we breathe.

 

[fortytwo]

I wish the public could pick.....hands down it would be the CHAIR. Lethal injection is too painless and easy for a monster like her.

But wouldn't it be a better justice if a convicted killer had to suffer the same death they inflicted on their victim?

No!

We do not want to be, as a society, the same as the tragic, cruel, or evil people we are compelled to protect ourselves from.

When we are reduced the the extreme of execution it should be as a regrettable last resort.

There is no gain or benefit to us as a society to inflict needless pain on anyone. It does not make the executed more remorseful, it does not discourage other similarly twisted individuals, it does not benefit the victims, and if it should somehow make some of us feel "better" then perhaps that should be a cause for reflection.

 

[Reality Orlando]

I'm coming off of a weekend of doing word-count and condordance stats on the Anthony depositions. Sort of like the "Statement Analysis" stuff at http://www.statementanalysis.com/ but more on the statistics and psychology side of things. I wasn't sure if it was quite ready to be thread-worthy, and then the DP came back on the table-- so I'm distracted again.

You see I did some research earlier into gender and the DP, trying to reconcile why the SA wasn't seeking the DP. It grew out of the threads comparing Casey to the Peterson and Smith trials and sentencing.

I found that a lot of the DP studies are biased themselves. I started looking at women and the DP, and was considering crunching the raw data myself-- as it seemed a huntable number. But what I really wanted to compare was Apples and Apples DP crimes & sentencing v.s. gender. There's just so many more men with the DP than women, that it seemed too big a job and I gave up-- so what you've seeing here are some re-hashed cast-off thoughts from that research.

I guess I'm too ambitious, and it takes a lot of time. I'll probably get back to the depo analysis in a few days, after I settle down after the latest news blew my mind.

Some very interesting reading here to go along with your thoughts:
Woman on Death Row in Florida
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/women.html


Ana Marie
Cardona

DC# 162180
WF, born 11/26/61, was sentenced from Dade County for the torture murder of her three-year-old son. The boy was nicknamed "Baby Lollipops" because of the tee shirt he was wearing when the police found his beaten body. The sentence was vacated on November 22, 2002 and she was released from prison.


Huh???????
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There have been two women executed in Florida..."The Black Widow" Judias Goodyear Buenonano in 1998 and of course Eileen Wuornos in 2002.

There is one woman on death row currently, Tiffany Cole, for the double murder of a couple who were buried alive. She was just sentenced last year so she'll be around awhile yet.

 

[Amil]

Which might be why they don't want Caylee's bio's father known.

Don't you think the Grund family would be able to say something, or Christina "I'll just die", or Lauren?

 

[Spangle]

Snipped from this article:
http://www.wesh.com/news/19168682/d...orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_1_03190104132009

Last year, Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, released a statement regarding the state's decision not to seek the death penalty against their daughter. "In response to the state's intent not to seek the death penalty came as no surprise to us this afternoon," the statement said. "Our family believes Caylee Marie is still alive and our efforts have not lost focus to the objective of bringing her home. Today's announcement only supports our theory that our granddaughter is still with us, and we will continue investigating all tips and leads that support our position despite what the authorities continue to say."

I had forgotten about this statement until I just read it again today. I used to feel twinges of sympathy for them, like when reading this statement, UNTIL I get to the very last phrase "despite what the authorities continue to say." That was just completely unneccessary. It's things like this that have always made me question the A's motivations.

I wonder if they will have a statement regarding the state's decision to now seek the death penalty against their daughter.

The part that I bolded in red was/is a red flag to me on how their minds works.

They are admitting they are only searching out evidence that supports their theory.

 

[theskredes]

I don't have time right now to read all 20 pages of this thread. Is there a reason why the DP is back on the table? Have they said why yet?

btw- I will read this entire thread tomorrow when I have the time, I just wanted the cliff note version quick!

 

[krt]

Not to get off the subject but the Wuornos case.......I never really followed it but saw the movie
"Monster" and don't everyone jump all over me but I actually felt sorry for the woman; meaning I had empathy to an extent and realized she was a human being. The actress that portrayed her probably did the best acting I have ever seen.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

 

[cleo612]

I have not finished reading through the thread (only on page 12), but my understanding of the Florida Statutes was that a jury decides on a death penalty or other punishment based on a majority vote.

It is then up to the judge to either follow the jury's recommendation or to impose a different sentence.

It is not necessary to have a unanimous jury vote in Florida in order to impose the death penalty.

I am trying to locate the statute and will post it as soon as I find it (unless someone else has already posted it before I get to it).

(I remember this discussion during the Couey trial.)

 

[McSev]

No!

We do not want to be, as a society, the same as the tragic, cruel, or evil people we are compelled to protect ourselves from.

When we are reduced the the extreme of execution it should be as a regrettable last resort.

There is no gain or benefit to us as a society to inflict needless pain on anyone. It does not make the executed more remorseful, it does not discourage other similarly twisted individuals, it does not benefit the victims, and if it should somehow make some of us feel "better" then perhaps that should be a cause for reflection.

No we don't. But the death penalty is after a controlled justice process presuming innocence and when appropriate ascertaining guilt, not arbitrary stoning and beheadings.

If she is proven guilty, then it's my point of view that she's made the choice to live with the decisions she made - even if she professes her innocence. There are many many times in this sitiuation she could have chosen to do something different. She didn't: none of the choices she'd made appear to have much basis in truth, love, loyalty or honor. It had more to do with retaliation, deception, hate, and entitlement.

Sometimes, one gets what one deserves.

 

[ecs5298]

I have a strong suspicion that the SA has "upped the ante" to the death penalty because they don't have any more damning or conclusive evidence against KC, and they're trying to maneuver her into accepting a plea.
I hope to God that I'm wrong.

Does anyone else agree? I guess we need a poll, don't we.

I don't think this is going to be the case, Friday. That would be like playing a game of Judicial chicken and they already know that KC won't blink. If they had pushed for it from the onset and never backed off I might say they are trying to bluff. Let's review the history. When they had no body, there was talk of the DP but they pulled it off the table probably due to the premeditation/accidental argument that they figured they would never win. Then 6 days later they find the body and up until today the statement has been that the death penalty was still off the table. Now, something happens today that puts the DP back on the table. What changed from last week to this week. Putting the DP on the table as leverage is a transparent desperation move if the SA doesn't have a strong case. We all know that there is more than enough evidence to convict KC of 1st degree murder with everything we have available to us now. What came along to make them more confident this week of a DP conviction than last week when they were only going for LWOP?

 

[Spangle]

Don't you think the Grund family would be able to say something, or Christina "I'll just die", or Lauren?

The Grund family could claim paternal "emotional kinship". Since Jessie was told he was the father and acted like the father at first. Until it was found out to be a lie. It's hard to let go, after you bond with a child.

Wither they would be allowed to speak for her in the court room, I don't have a clue.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I'm coming off of a weekend of doing word-count and condordance stats on the Anthony depositions. Sort of like the "Statement Analysis" stuff at http://www.statementanalysis.com/ but more on the statistics and psychology side of things. I wasn't sure if it was quite ready to be thread-worthy, and then the DP came back on the table-- so I'm distracted again.

You see I did some research earlier into gender and the DP, trying to reconcile why the SA wasn't seeking the DP. It grew out of the threads comparing Casey to the Peterson and Smith trials and sentencing.

I found that a lot of the DP studies are biased themselves. I started looking at women and the DP, and was considering crunching the raw data myself-- as it seemed a huntable number. But what I really wanted to compare was Apples and Apples DP crimes & sentencing v.s. gender. There's just so many more men with the DP than women, that it seemed too big a job and I gave up-- so what you've seeing here are some re-hashed cast-off thoughts from that research.

I guess I'm too ambitious, and it takes a lot of time. I'll probably get back to the depo analysis in a few days, after I settle down after the latest news blew my mind.

Both analysis sound really interesting to me and would love to see them. I found the depositions amazing. Have never really witnessed behavior during a legal proceeding quite like the Anthony's.

DP cases for women are very rare compared to men. Looking at my state's stats, TX, only 10 death row inmates are women compared to about 350 men. I read somewhere that a majority of murders of children are perpetrated by their parents, with an almost equal amount by fathers and mothers. Fathers receive the DP more often than mothers. Not sure where all I read this but might have been from T. Lenamon's blog. I can look for a link if wanted.

 

[nssherlock]

Some interesting facts about Florida's Death Row:
From:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/

The Daily Routine of Death Row Inmates
Death Row &
Death Watch cells:
A Death Row cell is 6 x 9 x 9.5 feet high. Florida State Prison also has Death Watch cells to incarcerate inmates awaiting execution after the Governor signs a death warrant for them. A Death Watch cell is 12 x 7 x 8.5 feet high.

Men on Death Row are housed at Florida State Prison in Starke, FL, and Union Correctional Institution in Raiford, FL. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.

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Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals. Prior to execution, an inmate may request a last meal. To avoid extravagance, the food to prepare the last meal must cost no more than $40 and must be purchased locally.

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Visitors: All inmate visitors must be approved before visitation is allowed.
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Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

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Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews. When a death warrant is signed the inmate is put under Death Watch status and is allowed a legal and social phone call.

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Mail,
Magazines &
Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television. While on Death Watch, inmates may have radios and televisions positioned outside their cell bars.

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Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.

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Wow........reminded me that there really are some things worse than death. This really isn't living is it?......

 

[ThoughtElf]

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I thought kc had already been offered a plea months ago and she refused.I didn't think it could be offered twice but I am almost stupid when it comes to law.

I thought JB first approached the State about a plea, and then never followed up on further discussions about it? It didn't sound as if it got even close to discussing terms?

 

[ThoughtElf]

I'm coming off of a weekend of doing word-count and condordance stats on the Anthony depositions. Sort of like the "Statement Analysis" stuff at http://www.statementanalysis.com/ but more on the statistics and psychology side of things. I wasn't sure if it was quite ready to be thread-worthy, and then the DP came back on the table-- so I'm distracted again.

You see I did some research earlier into gender and the DP, trying to reconcile why the SA wasn't seeking the DP. It grew out of the threads comparing Casey to the Peterson and Smith trials and sentencing.

I found that a lot of the DP studies are biased themselves. I started looking at women and the DP, and was considering crunching the raw data myself-- as it seemed a huntable number. But what I really wanted to compare was Apples and Apples DP crimes & sentencing v.s. gender. There's just so many more men with the DP than women, that it seemed too big a job and I gave up-- so what you've seeing here are some re-hashed cast-off thoughts from that research.

I guess I'm too ambitious, and it takes a lot of time. I'll probably get back to the depo analysis in a few days, after I settle down after the latest news blew my mind.

I am sure that analysis would be really interesting. I hope you'll start a brand new thread for it when you're ready.

Sure you can't sneak us a preview? :wink: