2009.12.11 Tim Miller interview with OCSO

[magic-cat]

No, it's sane.. and in complete control.

Yeah, TOO much control!

I can see several things after having read Tim's statement. I can see that there was a great deal of anger in the Anthony home when he was there, and that he was a witness to it. I can see that George was OPENLY accusing Casey of knowing exactly where Caylee's body was and was instructing her X marks the spot. I can see that Cindy was in complete control of ALL of it, and she had made up her mind to save Casey and to heck with Caylee. She knew she already lost her and she was not about to stand by and lose Casey TOO. So she concocted this LIVE CAYLEE nonsense, and that is exactly what it was NONSENSE. There was evidence of a DEAD body in Casey's car. They ALL smelled it and they KNOW what they smell IS. Caylee was not produced and they KNEW she was dead. They wanted Tim (and I mean CINDY) to reinforce this "strategy" by ONLY searching for LIVE CAYLEE...they did not want DEAD CAYLEE found-period, because this would mean she would lose the control that is EVERYTHING to her. Cindy Anthony should be ashamed to show her face, much less to smile for the cameras. I did not think I could BE more disgusted than I already was...

I was wrong.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Yeah, TOO much control!

I can see several things after having read Tim's statement. I can see that there was a great deal of anger in the Anthony home when he was there, and that he was a witness to it. I can see that George was OPENLY accusing Casey of knowing exactly where Caylee's body was and was instructing her X marks the spot. I can see that Cindy was in complete control of ALL of it, and she had made up her mind to save Casey and to heck with Caylee. She knew she already lost her and she was not about to stand by and lose Casey TOO. So she concocted this LIVE CAYLEE nonsense, and that is exactly what it was NONSENSE. There was evidence of a DEAD body in Casey's car. They ALL smelled it and they KNOW what they smell IS. Caylee was not produced and they KNEW she was dead. They wanted Tim (and I mean CINDY) to reinforce this "strategy" by ONLY searching for LIVE CAYLEE...they did not want DEAD CAYLEE found-period, because this would mean she would lose the control that is EVERYTHING to her. Cindy Anthony should be ashamed to show her face, much less to smile for the cameras. I did not think I could BE more disgusted than I already was...

I was wrong.

You know, Magic Cat...That is exactly how I feel after reading TM's statement yesterday. This case is mind boggling, and I always have to tell myself "you can't change people, you can only change YOUR reaction to people"....There are times when I think I might bust wide open if I hear one more preposterous thing about this case. I just can't wait for it to end. Yes, I could never come back and read these blogs, or look at the doc dumps, but something about this case has me (and most of us) spellbound. I can only hope that in the end, justice is done...here on earth, or somewhere else.

 

[Aedrys]

I am not TM nor do I know him, so this is JMO, but it would seem very likely that he has dealt with families (in 1100 searches) whom at one point in the investigation of their loved ones disappearance, have had to answer questions to rule themselves out as suspects.

Mr. Klaas (Father of Polly Klaas) has discussed many times that he expected the investigators to consider him suspect until he could be ruled out because family is always questioned first.

Unlike Casey, he embraced the process and basically stated: Polygraph me, question me, do whatever you have to do because I have nothing to hide. The faster investigators can rule me out, the sooner they can move on and find who did this to my child. Mr. Klaas was NOT involved in his daughter's disappearance and murder.

I would think it's more common than not, when dealing with these families (especially a missing child), you would come across a family member that had had suspicion cast upon them at one time or another. I think it's important to note that TM is NOT a private investigator nor LE. He searches for missing people (alive or dead) at the request of another person. He does not investigate the crime or a potential suspect-he attempts to bring home a loved one.

I think what's unique about Caylee's case is that TM was called in at all. He deals with families who desperately want a recovery. It's painfully obvious that Caylee's family was not interested in the skills he brought to the search- only the association of his name with the term, "VICTIM".JMHO

also, a quick note: I'm sure you did not mean to imply that "only daughter" and "only grandchild" somehow made this situation any more tragic than any other loss of a loved one. If you are new to Tim Miller, you might not be aware that his "only daughter", Laura, went missing in 1984 only to be found murdered months later..

ITA!!! You hit the nail on the head. The A's could really learn something from people like Tim Miller and Mark Klaas. But no, they acted like spoiled, selfish little children. I think Cindy wanted complete control of the searches for a live Caylee only to keep up the fantasy that Caylee was alive so she could find out the real truth herself and as usual, cover up Casey's mistakes like they never happened. I think when TM wouldn't just let CA take over, she didn't want the searches anymore because they couldn't be done her way only.

You know, most families want their child found prefferably alive, but also in the case that the child is dead. Most families just want the missing loved one found. But not the A's. It was only find Caylee alive or God help you if you mentioned she might be dead. This is totally unlike any other family I have ever seen. I guess Caylee only had living value. Once she was dead, she didn't mean enough to them to be bothered to look for her. It was only cover, cover, cover.

Usually when a person asks for help, they don't immediately start dictating what exactly that help is going to be; they are just glad to have someone help them. No sane and respectful person chases away all of the good samaritans who offer aid, invite only greedy and loony people into their inner circle, and then act like it's them versus the world, unless it's the A's. Now they look just pathetic for still trying to get Casey to acknowledge them. Maybe with all they have done, Casey is all they have left. How sad is that?

Well they can have her... I hope their jail cells are put right next to hers. Or better yet, put all three in one cell and let them kill each other.

 

[cyberborg]

Yeah, TOO much control!

I can see several things after having read Tim's statement. I can see that there was a great deal of anger in the Anthony home when he was there, and that he was a witness to it. I can see that George was OPENLY accusing Casey of knowing exactly where Caylee's body was and was instructing her X marks the spot. I can see that Cindy was in complete control of ALL of it, and she had made up her mind to save Casey and to heck with Caylee. She knew she already lost her and she was not about to stand by and lose Casey TOO. So she concocted this LIVE CAYLEE nonsense, and that is exactly what it was NONSENSE. There was evidence of a DEAD body in Casey's car. They ALL smelled it and they KNOW what they smell IS. Caylee was not produced and they KNEW she was dead. They wanted Tim (and I mean CINDY) to reinforce this "strategy" by ONLY searching for LIVE CAYLEE...they did not want DEAD CAYLEE found-period, because this would mean she would lose the control that is EVERYTHING to her. Cindy Anthony should be ashamed to show her face, much less to smile for the cameras. I did not think I could BE more disgusted than I already was...

I was wrong.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[MD MOMMY]

IF I were the SA I would keep Tim on the stand for a very long time. I would draw out his testimony to the nines, hammering(no pun intended) on what happened within those walls early on. The jury is going to LOVE him. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the jury say, after the trial that his testimony was very persuading. Here we have someone who is EXPERIENCED dealing with families of missing persons. Here we have someone who has NEVER seen a family like this one.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Listen to Cindy threaten Tim, that woman has no shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y
Hysterical denial aside, she is way off the deep end, imo.

She is a sick, sick woman. I really hope somebody loves that woman enough to get honest with her and tell her she needs help and helps her get it. It is so sad that for all the time we have followed this case nobody has tried to HELP this woman. Ya know, this power trip thing (don't mess with the Anthony's!!).. She thinks she is powerful because she surrounds herself with weak people that she can manipulate into playing her games. She isn't used to people going outside her lines.

LOL.. Her little hate list.. all the people she couldn't control so she threatens them, tries to slander them, bans them from important Anthony gatherings (like they are they friggin' president and everyone will be so upset they can't go chill with the Anthony's :waitasec It's :crazy: to watch Cindy react to people or situations she can't control or manipulate. She has no idea what to do or how to handle it because she clearly has never had to deal with it before. It's too bad

 

[OneLostGrl]

Yeah, TOO much control!

I can see several things after having read Tim's statement. I can see that there was a great deal of anger in the Anthony home when he was there, and that he was a witness to it. I can see that George was OPENLY accusing Casey of knowing exactly where Caylee's body was and was instructing her X marks the spot. I can see that Cindy was in complete control of ALL of it, and she had made up her mind to save Casey and to heck with Caylee. She knew she already lost her and she was not about to stand by and lose Casey TOO. So she concocted this LIVE CAYLEE nonsense, and that is exactly what it was NONSENSE. There was evidence of a DEAD body in Casey's car. They ALL smelled it and they KNOW what they smell IS. Caylee was not produced and they KNEW she was dead. They wanted Tim (and I mean CINDY) to reinforce this "strategy" by ONLY searching for LIVE CAYLEE...they did not want DEAD CAYLEE found-period, because this would mean she would lose the control that is EVERYTHING to her. Cindy Anthony should be ashamed to show her face, much less to smile for the cameras. I did not think I could BE more disgusted than I already was...

I was wrong.

 

[Chiquita71]

I would think it's more common than not, when dealing with these families (especially a missing child), you would come across a family member that had had suspicion cast upon them at one time or another.

I think what's unique about Caylee's case is that TM was called in at all. He deals with families who desperately want a recovery. It's painfully obvious that Caylee's family was not interested in the skills he brought to the search- only the association of his name with the term, "VICTIM".JMHO

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ITA

When I have watched American Justice, Cold Case Files, The Detectives, Forensic Files, etc. I have seen over and over again where family members are the first suspects 99% of the time.

When the other family members that were innocent are speaking of the ordeal: they seem to accept being looked at as a suspect as the least of the ordeal. They don't make themselves into victims because of it: no matter what has happened to them they speak of the person who was murdered as the victim. I have never heard Cindy, Casey or George speak of Caylee as the victim even once. Only themselves.

I know Joy W. is to be taken with a grain of salt but if George and Cindy really did feel they were being threatened: either physically or that someone was trying to pin Caylee's murder on them you would think they would have co-operated with LE. (If JW is telling a truth then George knew Caylee had been murdered while he was saying she was alive and LE should get up and go find her.)

And, your idea that TM was called in so as to associate Caylee with a true kidnapping: I can see that. When Tim got there and showed he was for real and on the up and up: Cindy had to get rid of him. I heard the phone message Cindy left for TM('nuff said). Everything Cindy, Casey and George have accused others of doing: is them telling on themselves. IMHO.

I can think all day long, what Cindy and George has done is wrong. For my moral base: what they have said and done is very wrong but what I think and say means nothing in this case(thank Goddess). What will be interesting is in seeing if LE thinks what George and Cindy have said and done is wrong.

:twocents:

 

[Dear Prudence]

Has Tim ever done a search like this before?Where the accused was the only daughter who lied to LE,parents and the Victim was their only grandchild? I am not be snarky ,first time I heard of TES was during Natalee so I do not know.

Here's a great article about Tim, his daughter Laura, how he started Texas EquuSearch and what it's become. It's kind of long, but very informative, so if anyone has the time to read it, I highly recommend it. I am the same age as Laura would be now and I grew up just a few miles from what we call the "Calder Killing Fields." I remember when she, as well as other teenage girls went missing. So when Tim started TES, most everyone around here recognized his and Laura's name and story. I forget that most people never heard of him and TES until Natalee's disappearance in Aruba.

Part of the reason Tim started TES was because of a lack of interest in Laura's case from local LE. They classified her as a runaway and didn't do much investigation. IMO I think it says so much about Cindy that she couldn't find some common ground with this man who has dedicated his life to helping families for the last 10 years. Tim just wants to bring closure to the loved ones of missing people, whether happy or sad, he knows how important it is. He's far from perfect just like all of us, but he is a hero to many.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/1.html

 

[Chiquita71]

ITA!!! You hit the nail on the head. The A's could really learn something from people like Tim Miller and Mark Klaas. But no, they acted like spoiled, selfish little children. I think Cindy wanted complete control of the searches for a live Caylee only to keep up the fantasy that Caylee was alive so she could find out the real truth herself and as usual, cover up Casey's mistakes like they never happened. I think when TM wouldn't just let CA take over, she didn't want the searches anymore because they couldn't be done her way only.

You know, most families want their child found prefferably alive, but also in the case that the child is dead. Most families just want the missing loved one found. But not the A's. It was only find Caylee alive or God help you if you mentioned she might be dead. This is totally unlike any other family I have ever seen. I guess Caylee only had living value. Once she was dead, she didn't mean enough to them to be bothered to look for her. It was only cover, cover, cover.

Usually when a person asks for help, they don't immediately start dictating what exactly that help is going to be; they are just glad to have someone help them. No sane and respectful person chases away all of the good samaritans who offer aid, invite only greedy and loony people into their inner circle, and then act like it's them versus the world, unless it's the A's. Now they look just pathetic for still trying to get Casey to acknowledge them. Maybe with all they have done, Casey is all they have left. How sad is that?

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ITA. Exactly how I see it too. Thank you.

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[Schmerty_Jones]

Wow! That phone call from Cindy threatening Tim Miller is so much evidence of what that family knew! I am sorry to say my view point has changed. I think there are going to be charges for CA & possibly GA.

 

[gramcracker]

I am beyond cynical re Cindy and I believe that covering for Casey was only part of her motivation. She planned to carve out a new career as THE voice for missing children, while merrily amassing cash donations and making national appearances. She came thisclose to achieving fame as the grieving grandmother of a child who was abducted and never found, and she would have milked the spotlight for all it was worth. The sightings of Caylee would have gone on for years (some genuinely reported by the public and others manufactured by Cindy). She reluctantly allowed TM in the picture to cloak herself in his reputation and respectability. Thankfully, she just couldn't stop herself from being herself even with so much at stake, and she now stands naked and exposed as a truly pathetic excuse for a human being

Justice will not be served unless Cindy and George are arrested and convicted

 

[jon_burrows]

Here's a great article about Tim, his daughter Laura, how he started Texas EquuSearch and what it's become. It's kind of long, but very informative, so if anyone has the time to read it, I highly recommend it. I am the same age as Laura would be now and I grew up just a few miles from what we call the "Calder Killing Fields." I remember when she, as well as other teenage girls went missing. So when Tim started TES, most everyone around here recognized his and Laura's name and story. I forget that most people never heard of him and TES until Natalee's disappearance in Aruba.

Part of the reason Tim started TES was because of a lack of interest in Laura's case from local LE. They classified her as a runaway and didn't do much investigation. IMO I think it says so much about Cindy that she couldn't find some common ground with this man who has dedicated his life to helping families for the last 10 years. Tim just wants to bring closure to the loved ones of missing people, whether happy or sad, he knows how important it is. He's far from perfect just like all of us, but he is a hero to many.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/1.html

Thanks for posting this article. The treatment Tim received from the As and LP is shameful. He has been through hell and back and has devoted his life to helping people.

One of the defense theories was the body was planted after Casey went to jail because the area supposedly had been searched. I hope Tim is able to tell the jury why he conducts these searches so they'll truly understand his motives when the defense attacks him. I hope Tim is able to recount this particular search on the stand because it proves how easy it is to miss a body...especially a tiny toddler (a direct quote from the link above):

"We came into a search in Austin for a man named Henry," Miller says. "They'd found his car abandoned and he'd been missing for six days." TES was invited in and Miller had mapped a dozen areas that he believed ought to be searched. The officials had used cadaver dogs to target one area for a SWAT team, which they wanted to keep for themselves, so Miller said that was fine; he had other areas on which to focus. The officials spent two hours and then "cleared" the area. They had found nothing.

But Miller wasn't satisfied. Two hours wasn't sufficient time to do a thorough search, even with dogs. He asked if he could send in his team to the same area, telling the officer in charge that since they had more people, luck might be on their side. The officer gave him permission but believed he was wasting the team's time. He was wrong. It took only ten minutes before the TES volunteers found the body, leaning against a building in plain sight. The cadaver dogs had been with six feet of it but had not picked up the scent."

IMO - Caylee was killed over a month before searchers were on the scene which left her little body ravaged by the weather, animals, and time. Her body was completely skeletonized within 2-3 weeks according ME talking heads. To expect cadaver dogs and search teams to find her just because they were in the general area is ludicrous, especially given the dense foliage.

 

[jon_burrows]

She is a sick, sick woman. I really hope somebody loves that woman enough to get honest with her and tell her she needs help and helps her get it. It is so sad that for all the time we have followed this case nobody has tried to HELP this woman. Ya know, this power trip thing (don't mess with the Anthony's!!).. She thinks she is powerful because she surrounds herself with weak people that she can manipulate into playing her games. She isn't used to people going outside her lines.

LOL.. Her little hate list.. all the people she couldn't control so she threatens them, tries to slander them, bans them from important Anthony gatherings (like they are they friggin' president and everyone will be so upset they can't go chill with the Anthony's :waitasec It's :crazy: to watch Cindy react to people or situations she can't control or manipulate. She has no idea what to do or how to handle it because she clearly has never had to deal with it before. It's too bad

BBM - Her brother tried.

 

[Crabcake23]

She is a sick, sick woman. I really hope somebody loves that woman enough to get honest with her and tell her she needs help and helps her get it. It is so sad that for all the time we have followed this case nobody has tried to HELP this woman.

I snipped this if you don't mind.

I believe CA's brother did tell her to get help. But as soon as he told her that and tried to open her eyes, she dismissed him.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I snipped this if you don't mind.

I believe CA's brother did tell her to get help. But as soon as he told her that and tried to open her eyes, she dismissed him.

Until Cindy realizes that she does need help noone can provide her with assistance, IMO.

 

[OneLostGrl]

ITA!!! You hit the nail on the head. The A's could really learn something from people like Tim Miller and Mark Klaas. But no, they acted like spoiled, selfish little children. I think Cindy wanted complete control of the searches for a live Caylee only to keep up the fantasy that Caylee was alive so she could find out the real truth herself and as usual, cover up Casey's mistakes like they never happened. I think when TM wouldn't just let CA take over, she didn't want the searches anymore because they couldn't be done her way only.

You know, most families want their child found prefferably alive, but also in the case that the child is dead. Most families just want the missing loved one found. But not the A's. It was only find Caylee alive or God help you if you mentioned she might be dead. This is totally unlike any other family I have ever seen. I guess Caylee only had living value. Once she was dead, she didn't mean enough to them to be bothered to look for her. It was only cover, cover, cover.

Usually when a person asks for help, they don't immediately start dictating what exactly that help is going to be; they are just glad to have someone help them. No sane and respectful person chases away all of the good samaritans who offer aid, invite only greedy and loony people into their inner circle, and then act like it's them versus the world, unless it's the A's. Now they look just pathetic for still trying to get Casey to acknowledge them. Maybe with all they have done, Casey is all they have left. How sad is that?

Well they can have her... I hope their jail cells are put right next to hers. Or better yet, put all three in one cell and let them kill each other.

:clap:

 

[OneLostGrl]

BBM - Her brother tried.

Yeah.. I gotta tell you, I liked her brother :woohoo:

He lives about 15-20 minutes from me (in Myrtle Beach).. for a while I thought about becoming a crazy person and calling him- seeing if he'd be willing to chat with me about his sister. I decided i'd better up my meds instead :crazy:. It would be an interesting conversation though, huh?

 

[Just Jayla]

It will be very interesting to see how the defense is going to go at Mr. Miller. My money is on Mr. Cheney to cross. JB will want to stay as far away from this as possible, LKB will save Dr. G as her showcase cross, and AL will be gearing up to demonstrate KC as a victim of a bad childhood, which doesn't really mesh with this part of the investigation....this will be a duel amongst the southern gentlemen, and Donna B. may be brought up.
For the state, I hope Mr. Ashton examines Tim. JA leans more toward the passionate than LDB (though she is like a heat seeking missile when she wants her facts, no slight to her), and will be able to tell the whole story of how and why TM would even bother with this, getting to the real character of the man. JA will highlight the strong foundation and motivation that TM has for bothering with this case, and it must be a moving enough story (Laura's story), that CM cannot come back and accuse TM of being LP's brother from another mother.

 

[cecybeans]

What boggles my mind is why anyone would think that a child who had been missing (certainly not kidnapped) for over two months would be found miraculously alive, playing with toys in a field somewhere. Did CA honestly think that calling in a professional search organization, one that uses grid searches using foot and mounted volunteers to look for the missing, would be an organization that is primarily expecting to find peoplewho are alive and well after such an interval?

It is obvious to anyone with a brain that this must have simply been a ruse to legitimize her claim that Caylee was missing. Her calling TM even contradicts the very concept she was proclaiming all over the media that Caylee was kidnapped and alive somewhere, in which case, ground searches would have been futile and irrelevant. It was a tacit admission that she felt Caylee was dead and a mistake she did not handle gracefully when forced to confront her error in judgement.

If this was a search that had taken place a day or two after a child was gone missing, she might have been able to hope for or expect a different outcome. But seriously, pretending that a child missing for two months was the same situation as one missing for two days?? It's like her getting mad at LE for not issuing an Amber Alert a month after the fact. In order to seriously manage spin you cannot count on the public being dumber than dirt.