2009.12.11 Tim Miller interview with OCSO

[RR0004]

It's obvious the detectives have serious questions about what George and Cindy knew and when they knew it regarding what really happened to Caylee. With all of Tim's experience dealing with the families of a missing person he makes an excellent witness and he says this family was just not right.

A couple of other things caught my attention while reading this interview.

One was the discussion about James Hoover and how he urged TES to search on Suburban Drive. The detective then makes a comment about how "he falls in our timeline." (p.7-8) I wonder what that means?

The other interesting thing was how George was driving around Tim's hotel at night. Weird! (p. 17) Also, the detective asked Tim if George stayed the night at the hotel or if Tim ever put George up at a hotel. (p. 19) Tim says no. Not sure what this line of questioning is about.

He was being "tailed"? I don't doubt for one second that the As weren't watched.

 

[DaughterAlice]

ITA with TotallyObsessed. GA is sad. I really think he wanted to tell TM everything, but just couldn't bring himself to do it. Then he just let CA tell him what to think, what to say, what to do . . .

I think I might know when the turning point was;right before KC came home for the last time. I think from that point on he said, felt, thought, whatever CA told him to.

 

[RR0004]

TM's entire interview pulled at my heart strings. I almost burst out crying when he realized he had to put up with this insanity of the family because Caylee suddenly occured to him ... Caylee. It was all for her. Cindy was the one that called him to get involved in the first place, he hadn't been following the case. And he easily could have turned around and hopped a plane back to Texas after Cindy kicked him out of the house (in essence for something GEORGE actually did by asking Casey to X the map!), but he couldn't get little Caylee off his mind.

He also said out of 1100 searches, there isn't a family that comes even to a close second to this one.

That driving around the hotel thing was richly bizzare.

I wonder why LE never asked him what CASEY'S reaction was like when George asked her to mark the map and Cindy got upset and stopped it. I mean, had Casey reached for a pen and Cindy stopped her? Did Casey storm off? Did she even know she was about to be trapped, or did she figure that out when Cindy got mad?

I don't know why I remember this...but Cindy didn't want TES there. I think there were others who encouraged her to make the call...because it didn't look good otherwise (JMHO).

 

[beach]

Cindy called in Tim Miller and TES to bolster her charade that they were looking for a live Caylee. For several reasons, one that they could keep the $$ coming in, keep the focus away from Casey and support her private psychological defense of total denial. They knew the baby was dead when they smelled the car on the 15th, especially when Casey could not come up with Caylee.
In the beginning they wanted to hope that was not the case, and really tried to get to the truth, (remember Cindy’s frantic utterances in the 911 calls & Georges FBI interview) but all too soon, they knew she was gone, Casey was crazy, spiteful and uncontrollable enough to go off and hurt Caylee and that she was gone.
It did not take Tim Miller very long to figure out that these people were not being honest with him and that there was not really a live baby. He knew, from their abnormal grieving behavior. People who are truly inconsolable over the loss of a loved one, want anyone and anything done to fine them. Not one of them fit that scenario.

BBM

To your entire post :clap: :clap: :clap:



in re. the bolded last sentence - eg. Marc Klass & Beth Holloway.

Sincerity. Integrity. Credibility.


Absolutely none of the traits displayed by any of the Anthonys, with one exception, Shirley P.

 

[3doglady]

I believe that this is referenced in this JJ thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98584
re: possible fabrications on a Texas Equusearch form by PI

I think you may referencing Laura B. This was a statement Helen Davis gave LE. Just seemed like her email to Tim and her statement to LE contradicted each other. I haven't read all the JJ interview so I could be wrong.

 

[whiteangora]

I don't know why I remember this...but Cindy didn't want TES there. I think there were others who encouraged her to make the call...because it didn't look good otherwise (JMHO).

I remember it the same way...........Cindy was encouraged by others.

 

[OneLostGrl]

It is killing me that real life is preventing me from reading these docs right now! :banghead:

I have to run NOW, but I did get to read TM's transcript.

Request -

Impressions on WHY GA was circling the Holiday Inn where TES was staying on that particular night???? I found that interesting. I read in a big hurry, so hopefully I read that correctly.

I will be back in a few hours. Hopefully, y'all can give me some insight on your impressions of that. :blowkiss:

Happy sleuthing guys!!!

It was the same night that Cindy wouldn't let Casey play X marks the spot. Cindy kicked him out for entertaining the thought that Casey was gonna play. Lori says Tim let him stay in one of TES's rooms at the hotel. He wasn't stalking them, they were helping him. Though Tim says George didn't stay in one of the rooms.

page 12963-12964 (11 and 12 of Lori C's interview)

 

[OneLostGrl]

ITA with TotallyObsessed. GA is sad. I really think he wanted to tell TM everything, but just couldn't bring himself to do it. Then he just let CA tell him what to think, what to say, what to do . . .

I think I might know when the turning point was;right before KC came home for the last time. I think from that point on he said, felt, thought, whatever CA told him to.

I think that day was the turning point. The X marks the spot day. Cindy made it very clear on that day that if George was gonna go against her wishes regarding Casey and her legal issues he would need to find at the very least, a new home.

ETA- The grand jury took place a week after X marks the spot day, says Lori.

 

[beach]

It was the same night that Cindy wouldn't let Casey play X marks the spot. Cindy kicked him out for entertaining the thought that Casey was gonna play. Lori says Tim let him stay in one of TES's rooms at the hotel. He wasn't stalking them, they were helping him. Though Tim says George didn't stay in one of the rooms.

page 12963-12964 (11 and 12 of Lori C's interview)

Thanks, heading that way now!

Crazy busy day...i've only had a chance to read TM's.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I remember it the same way...........Cindy was encouraged by others.

IIRC (and I may not), LP or one of his people brought the idea of calling TM up to Cindy. Does anyone else remember this or am I confusing information again ?

 

[RR0004]

I remember it the same way...........Cindy was encouraged by others.

oxoxox

We've been around this case for a very looooong time. Too long...

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Parts snipped from: Richard Grund's interview with LE
September 5th, 2008

RG: (snipped) ...When all this first happened ah, Jesse immediately went and volunteered to the family to start passing out fliers and I said, now you tell George I want to talk to him. I said, would you ask him a question for me? Why aren't you doing what ex-cops do? 'Cause I know what I would be doing, and ah, his answer to Jesse was tell your dad I want to talk to him. So that's Sunday, I think its the second Sunday of the vigil. I don't remember what the date was, ah, I left George a voice mail. I had decided I was gonna start calling in a few favors of friends in Military, law enforcement,(inaudible)things like that and see what we can do here. But I left the message for George and here was the message, "George, I'm getting ready to shake the trees to see if I can find Caylee, please tell me if anything I'm going to do is going to endanger her." George immediately called me(repeats: "immediately called me" after you hear some talking in the back ground) and said he wanted to talk to me, he wasn't avoiding me, here's the answer to your question as to why I'm not doing what you think I should be doing and he said, "because my wife doesn't want me to."
(skip)
RG: (snipped) ...The only thing I did hear her say that night that I think was interesting, she said it to my wife but I was standing right there she, the only thing she said that night that I felt was even human, was in truth was, "you know I could lose both my girls on this one."
LE: Hum
RG: First sign that she had a clue something was wrong.
LE: And did you discuss that with Lee with her in the room? How, how did she make that statement?
RG: She, ya know, my wife and her hit it off(inaudible)when the baby was born, ah, you know it did it came out of nowhere, it was one of those emotional, seeped out kind of things. Ah, but it stuck with me and my wife.
(skip)
RG: (snipped) ...Um, and I said you know George, wha, which, which what has your daughter gotten involved in? He goes, "ah, I don't know she's always had issues,"...that's always been, that's always his statement, Casey has issues. Um, at and then we talked about the smell in the trunk and I said if it's not Caylee, George, who is it? He goes ya know, "I don't know."
(skip)
RG: (snip) ...when we went over there to the family BBQ to introduce the families it was obvious who the lead dog was, the lead dog was Cindy, and whatever she wanted to have happen, happened and if she wanted Caylee to do something that's what got done. Uhm, I never, I never heard, the only thing I heard from Jesse is when the fights began the fights began over Caylee the fights began with "you love Caylee more than you love me, the only reason your marrying me is because of Caylee." So, this jealousy I'm hearing now makes sense 'cause she had it then.
(end)

I also think George was going to come clean in the very beginning, maybe for honorable reasons but mostly because he could see the writing on the wall and figured LE could too. But, somewhere along the way he bought into the cover-up as much as Cindy, IMHO. Unless George is waiting to tell the truth at trial(or told the truth to the GJ). (?)

After reading this thread on what TM had to say about those days, made me think of these sections of the RG interview.

1100 searches and TM says he has never had a family act like this, i.e. disinterested(putting it mildly) in finding their loved one. TM confirms, with authority, George and Cindy knew early on that Caylee was gone and that Casey was responsible. :twocents:

...JS...

 

[mitzi]

My heart is breaking, and I haven't even read this interview yet. Caylee was more of a an inanimate possession to be bickered over and then thrown away like trash than an actual living human being to these people. I can't imagine letting my dog lie out in the woods and rot much less sacrifice a baby to save a soulless person that only brought me tears and pain. Was it worth it, A's? Is your daughter ignoring you in court, refusing to acknowledge your existence worth letting Caylee rot out in swampy woods with three layers of duct tape over her angelic face? I can't wait for Tim to get on that stand and show how demonic, cold, and unworthy you are of the love and sunshine of a beautiful baby girl who didn't ask to be born, and who couldn't fend for herself against the monster daughter you raised. I hope you lie awake every night because your sleep is haunted by the life you could have had if you had not sacrificed a gift from God for the devil's spawn.

It's people like you that keep me and others like Tim Miller crying out for justice for Caylee. I never knew her, yet I have more love in my heart and soul for her than you ever did. I hope your whole family rots in jail. And I will be there on the front line until justice is served!

I need to take a break. This is almost too much for me to bear right now...

Your post brought me to tears.

Makes me wonder what Caylee would have grown up to be like, living with these POSs, if KC hadn't murdered her. As bad a KC turned out with GA/CA raising her, Caylee would have had GA/CA/and KC. God, it just makes me sick. KC should have given Caylee away at birth...she'd have stood a better chance of a decent life.

 

[azwriter]

After reading through all these posts and going over TM's interview concerning the lack of interest Casey showed about a search for her daughter, I have only one ugly image going through my mind: Casey, parading around in the find Caylee t-shirt. I don't need to say anything more.

 

[Cher352]

Page 12645-Amazing.

Tim is recalling that Casey never once asked him to find her child but was walking around the house smiling all the time, wanting to fix them meatloaf and that he thought she was "acting like she was going to cheerleading competition or somethin'."

It's not like I haven't heard these things before but every time I am reminded it just drops my jaw to the floor.

Like a cheerleading competition. Unbelievable.

This part floored me too!!!

I think Tim's testimonty maybe the thing that sealed KC fate with the jury. I can just see their expressions when they hear Tim relate his interactions with this family.

I hope not, but is there any reason that the defense could stop these statements from being brought up in the trial??

 

[Cher352]

It was the same night that Cindy wouldn't let Casey play X marks the spot. Cindy kicked him out for entertaining the thought that Casey was gonna play. Lori says Tim let him stay in one of TES's rooms at the hotel. He wasn't stalking them, they were helping him. Though Tim says George didn't stay in one of the rooms.

page 12963-12964 (11 and 12 of Lori C's interview)

Oh I hadn't read Lori's yet...why would Tim deny that GA stayed in one of his rooms????? Puzzling....Maybe it wasn't Tim that let GA stay but I would thought Tim would have found out about it after the fact and stated so to LE.

 

[Cat13067]

From reading Tim's transcript, I think that at least early on, George seemed to be the one least involved in "cover-up mode." At least then he was willing to try and put Casey on the spot and get her to show them where she'd dumped the body.

So I wonder if George driving around the hotel wasn't him having a guilty conscience and maybe wanting to come clean to Tim Miller? Not that he necessarily knew where the body was but that he wanted to tell Tim that he knew Caylee was dead and that Casey was responsible.

As for exactly what stopped him.....who knows.

Well as per GA he was being followed 24/7 by LE, so why would he risk driving around TIm's hotel? I bet DC followed GA, and reported back to CA, and she called him and told him to get his a$$ home ASAP.

 

[gramcracker]

Oh I hadn't read Lori's yet...why would Tim deny that GA stayed in one of his rooms????? Puzzling....Maybe it wasn't Tim that let GA stay but I would thought Tim would have found out about it after the fact and stated so to LE.

Perhaps whoever let George stay in their room respected his embarassment at being booted from Casa de Anthony, so they kept it on the down low. And since Tim had been booted as well, perhaps they felt awkward about mentioning it to him

 

[OneLostGrl]

Oh I hadn't read Lori's yet...why would Tim deny that GA stayed in one of his rooms????? Puzzling....Maybe it wasn't Tim that let GA stay but I would thought Tim would have found out about it after the fact and stated so to LE.

I don't know that I believe much of what Lori had to say so I'm leaning more toward trusting what Tim said. I think Lori liked the attention, I think she felt important and was making up some things as she went along (I believe some of the stuff she said but not all of it) so she'd seem more "in the know" but who knows for sure, ya know?

 

[Cat13067]

IIRC his name is Jim Campbell. I think it was LP who told a similar story about JC. LP said JC told him "the person in that bedroom is the only one who knows where Caylee is and she is not telling." (paraphrasing) I have been waiting to for an interview with JC, but it has not been released yet.

isn't it strange that JC would tell Tim the answer to finding Caylee is in the bedroom? GA had to be the one to tell his friend what he thought KC was hiding. You have two former detectives (GA, and JC) coming to a conclusion that KC holds the answer to finding Caylee. Why the map if GA believed Caylee was alive? To bad GA didn't wait for CA to leave the house before he placed the map on the table for KC to mark with the X.

Has LE deposed JC?