2010.04.29 Motion to Seal Casey's Jail Logs. Why?

[Bittiness39]

NG always states that someone in jail/prison can have no expectation of privacy. Why do they think she is different?

JMO but more posturing of a defense that has selected to choose an obviously guilty client. JMO...again. She is no different...yet they would, the defense, as JB put in an interview on TruTV today, that her case is "unique." What is so unique about it? The players (are interesting). The reverse Midas touch that seems to befall anyone associated with this case? Or could it perhaps be that their client is so obviously guilty that DA's office that prosecuted the Scott Peterson case and WON is salivating over the proof that the Orlando DA's office has and then some?

 

[rhornsby]

Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

 

[Bittiness39]

Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

A valid point, sure. But given the Sunshine laws...not just any expert's visit would go unnoticed unless...And TY! I appreciate your insight because seriously I have nada left. Thanks. And not in a snarky way am I giving you said thanks...I truly mean it.

 

[logicalgirl]

Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

Could you take a minute and expand on that thought? Not being from the USA, and not truly clear about the ins and outs of the Sunshine Laws - I'm wondering why you think her experts should be exempt?

Thanks in advance if you see this before you whip out of here again.

 

[rhornsby]

Could you take a minute and expand on that thought? Not being from the USA, and not truly clear about the ins and outs of the Sunshine Laws - I'm wondering why you think her experts should be exempt?

Thanks in advance if you see this before you whip out of here again.

Under Florida's sunshine laws, any records related to a law enforcement investigation are exempt specifically because they could compromise the integrity of the investigation or impede the cooperation of witnesses.

As a matter of due process, a person accused with a crime should be able to assert the same privilege to prevent the accused person's defense from being impeded or the integrity of the investigation compromised.

 

[Bittiness39]

Under Florida's sunshine laws, any records related to a law enforcement investigation are exempt specifically because they could compromise the integrity of the investigation or impede the cooperation of witnesses.

As a matter of due process, a person accused with a crime should be able to assert the same privilege to prevent the accused person's defense from being impeded or the integrity of the investigation compromised.

What what? Maybe I should find a pet ferret...again...in laymen's terms, mister. And yes, I get the law...wth?

 

[Sun]

Under Florida's sunshine laws, any records related to a law enforcement investigation are exempt specifically because they could compromise the integrity of the investigation or impede the cooperation of witnesses.

As a matter of due process, a person accused with a crime should be able to assert the same privilege to prevent the accused person's defense from being impeded or the integrity of the investigation compromised.

Everyone housed in the jail has been accused or convicted of a crime. Everyone's visitor logs are not made "private." What Casey is asking, is to be treated "special" or "different" IMO.

 

[kew17]

Thanks Mr. Hornsby! I had the same thoughts and wanted to get your opinion on how they do things there. If she indeed is visited by someone in the field of "doctor", isn't that information NOT eligible under the Sunshine rules, thereby either NOT being released or somehow redacted? I guess what I'm trying to ask, is wouldn't they keep a separate log of doctors that visit inmates separate from the "visitor logs"?

Sorry if the question isn't coming out worded well....I know what I'm trying to ask and the words aren't hitting the keyboard the right way...sorry

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think she is about to be visited by a Dentist, to take impressions, so the SA can match them up to the bite marks on the Duct tape..:dance:

 

[nort]

I did have some trouble with the hippa law in regards to our grandson 13 we called a psychatric hospital to verify he was there and they would not tell us. (Have a step daughter much like Casey) He was under 18 and it was psychiatric perhaps thats why. I know you can call a regular hospital and ask if soemones there, they will tell you regardless of the age.

 

[Bittiness39]

I think she is about to be visited by a Dentist, to take impressions, so the SA can match them up to the bite marks on the Duct tape..:dance:

If I suspect I am correct, and I reasonably certain I am, the devil is in the duct tape. Meaning that I believe that if their are latent prints on the tape(s) they came from Caylee. Which is why I think the prosecution wanted the DP. JMO. Which is why RH may be correct that they have her visiting with various professionals that deal with mental peeps. JMO. I have no proof of anything.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

I agree they have a valid point after reading the motion, but shouldn't they have to back up their point with some relevant case law? Or is that not a requirement?

 

[suzihawk]

Everyone housed in the jail has been accused or convicted of a crime. Everyone's visitor logs are not made "private." What Casey is asking, is to be treated "special" or "different" IMO.

Well... she IS 'special', don't 'cha know?! Baez said so just today in his interview with Tru TV after court. He said this case is 'unique'. Never been one like this before.

Her family has covered for her, looked the other way and refused to hold her accountable her entire life. Regular rules and laws that the rest of society conform to never applied to her before so why should they now?! Just because the rest of the inmates have to obey Florida's Sunshine Law doesn't mean she should have to! She's 'unique'.

 

[mitzi]

Listing to the motions the defense has left - one of the primary ones is Lyon(s) objecting to listing her experts or witnesses during the death penalty phase.

So I'd clearly say this is to protect who ever the heck she is going to bring in when they are discussing the death penalty, after a guilty verdict. Lyon(s) will probably need them to visit Casey to get an opinion out of them.

Just don't want their hand tipped.

OT-Just love your (s)! :crazy:

 

[MD MOMMY]

Does the motion also say the prosecution takes no position on this, meaning they don't care either way? OR am I off my rocker? I do see where this makes sense but it is like this for every other inmate who is facing the DP? Is there case law backing this motion?

 

[sleutherontheside]

I look at this motion as arguing both sides of the coin. First of all.........seating a proper jury should eliminate, at least in large part, any concerns that jurors are up to speed on defense actions (including expert witnesses). If they approve jurors then they should feel reasonably certain that those jurors have not been googling KC's visitor list.

IMO.......sealing the visitor list in its entirety is a bit overzealous. If there are certain visitors that are in fact medical professionals......then is it not possible to only seal those names?

IMO....the bigger issue here is that JB et al realize that the general public is smart enough to put the pieces together once they begin "googling" names.....and theorize about the defense STRATEGY. Why, if there was concern over her privacy, did they not file this motion before the social workers and mitigation specialists visited the client?

IMO...JB wants to continue "campaigning" on KC's behalf. He wants the freedom to grandstand.......offer soundbites.....and paint his client in the soft glow of an innocent woman. If the general public "googles" the visitor names and pieces together strategies.....then he can't "run his mouth" and disseminate his own agenda.

 

[RR0004]

Just curious...why would an expert witness be going to see Casey? Are they talking shrinks here? I wondered if the reason for this was because of the Strickland motion and the questions about how the defense filed it while they seemed to be visiting with Casey. What truly irks me is it's been almost 2 years. Where the heck have the experts been up till now?

 

[suzihawk]

I look at this motion as arguing both sides of the coin. First of all.........seating a proper jury should eliminate, at least in large part, any concerns that jurors are up to speed on defense actions (including expert witnesses). If they approve jurors then they should feel reasonably certain that those jurors have not been googling KC's visitor list.

IMO.......sealing the visitor list in its entirety is a bit overzealous. If there are certain visitors that are in fact medical professionals......then is it not possible to only seal those names?

IMO....the bigger issue here is that JB et al realize that the general public is smart enough to put the pieces together once they begin "googling" names.....and theorize about the defense STRATEGY. Why, if there was concern over her privacy, did they not file this motion before the social workers and mitigation specialists visited the client?

IMO...JB wants to continue "campaigning" on KC's behalf. He wants the freedom to grandstand.......offer soundbites.....and paint his client in the soft glow of an innocent woman. If the general public "googles" the visitor names and pieces together strategies.....then he can't "run his mouth" and disseminate his own agenda.

THIS! Let's not forget who was opposed to a gag order. He can't have it both ways and only have a gag order in this case when it's convenient for him.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

A possible reason to want to seal the visitor's log: Could the defense be having a problem in OBTAINING expert witnesses to bolster their defense - whatever it may be - because potential witnesses whom they have approached have declined to become involved in such a high profile case, knowing that if their name shows up on the Casey Anthony visitor's log the press will soon be hounding them?

As we well know, anyone and everyone who comes close to this mess of a case gets endlessly scutinized. I could see legitimate professionals deciding to give this one a pass.

 

[rhornsby]

Everyone housed in the jail has been accused or convicted of a crime. Everyone's visitor logs are not made "private." What Casey is asking, is to be treated "special" or "different" IMO.

And not everyone's case is being broadcast to the public. This case has unique circumstances that justify unique measures.