2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[1Chump]

What other sealed documents would MC have had access to? :waitasec:

TH is not the only person who had copies of those "sealed" documents. Hence, TH is not the only person who may have shown MC copies of those sealed documents and allowed him to take pictures.

 

[cypress]

TH is not the only person who had copies of those "sealed" documents. Hence, TH is not the only person who may have shown MC copies of those sealed documents and allowed him to take pictures.

So you're saying LE may have "assumed" or been led to believe that because of the sexting, Terri was also the one to show Michael Cook the documents?

Interesting theory, if that's what you're saying, especially if (general) you believe Michael Cook was being used to set up Terri and pump her for information.

 

[gwenabob]

TH is not the only person who had copies of those "sealed" documents. Hence, TH is not the only person who may have shown MC copies of those sealed documents and allowed him to take pictures.

So who do you suggest allowed him to photograph them if not Terri?

1. Kaine
2. Kaine's attorney
3. Terri's attorney
4. Court clerk

Those are pretty much your choices.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I think it is likely TH did show MC the documents.

However, I'm not sure how you could prove she did so, or if she just went to make coffee or something and he went snooping.

I find this guy extremely troubling - showing up out of the blue and implicating himself in the case like this... How do we know he isn't/wasn't planning on writing a book or selling a tell-all story to some body?

I just find his involvement really suspicious. It went so far beyond "I was in the area and wanted to help out an highschool buddy" it isn't funny.

 

[1Chump]

M. Cook would be the person to answer whether it happened in a contempt hearing in court or not. He has admitted to everything else alleged except denied actually sleeping with Terri. We know what was reported and we can choose to believe it or not.

Terri's lawyer of course doesn't want his client anywhere near a courtroom to dispute these facts or even claim rights to visitation with her daughter. One of those things that make me go hmmmmm.

I was just saying that the way it is reported, it seems to be coming directly from the people who alledgedly made the statement. However, when you add in the "said" the statement is several people removed from MC.

It is the game of telephone yet being reported in a way that makes it seem more direct.

 

[1Chump]

I know although someone posted an article last night and I don't have the link handy. In it it said a judge and two court officers stated this is not an unusual request to hold off the divorce when a criminal trial is pending.

My though is this. No criminal charges have been brought. And, can a contempt charge on an RO be put off? An RO is to protect people. How can that be put off indefinately. Wonder what the precident is for that.

IMO, it is up to the Judge's discretion. In this case, the "contempt" does not involve imminent danger and is actually moot at this point as the "sealed" documents are no longer sealed. In fact, the documents were unsealed at the time of filing of the contempt motion.

 

[grandmaj]

IMO, it is a frivilous motion. Kaine's attorney should know that any debt acquired after the date of separation is not a marital debt. As TH did not hire her attorney until after KH filed for an RO/divorce, it would not be a marital debt. KH's attorney should know that a gift is not a marital asset.

IMO, KH should know if they had assets that would make it possible for TH to obtain that absurd amount. Yet nowhere in the motion does it claim that TH converted assets to obtain the money.

IMO, it was a frivilous motion for public speculation with no legal basis.

Not that motion. The contempt. The one where there were allegations of the address being googled by M. Cook, and the sealed restraining order being copied and given out by M. Cook. That motion.

OK I see we are thinking about the same thing in your second post. Yup I would say the arguments in court if in fact Kaine decides to fight this may be what seals the deal.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

BTW, here's the thread on whether or not TH violated the sealed RO.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109133"]2010.07.12 TH accused of violating sealed RO - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[grandmaj]

I think it is likely TH did show MC the documents.

However, I'm not sure how you could prove she did so, or if she just went to make coffee or something and he went snooping.

I find this guy extremely troubling - showing up out of the blue and implicating himself in the case like this... How do we know he isn't/wasn't planning on writing a book or selling a tell-all story to some body?

I just find his involvement really suspicious. It went so far beyond "I was in the area and wanted to help out an highschool buddy" it isn't funny.

M. Cook admitted it in an interview. It was found on his phone camera. I think it is all but admitted at this time. I agree I'm not sure how you insert yourself the way he did and what his purpose is either.

 

[Donjeta]

IMO, it is up to the Judge's discretion. In this case, the "contempt" does not involve imminent danger and is actually moot at this point as the "sealed" documents are no longer sealed. In fact, the documents were unsealed at the time of filing of the contempt motion.

But didn't the RO get unsealed because somebody leaked the information? If you suppose the source of the leak was MC or one of the two people he allegedly showed it to the reason it's moot now is just because she was in contempt in the first place.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

M. Cook admitted it in an interview. It was found on his phone camera. I think it is all but admitted at this time. I agree I'm not sure how you insert yourself the way he did and what his purpose is either.

BBM

He admitted just snooping, you mean? Did I miss that? (Sorry, just not sure what "it" means in there.)


ETA: If he "admitted" that she showed it to him and he took the pic, which I think I recall him saying, then I still don't know if that's really "proof," KWIM? It's his word against hers, then.

 

[grandmaj]

But didn't the RO get unsealed because somebody leaked the information? If you suppose the source of the leak was MC or one of the two people he allegedly showed it to the reason it's moot now is just because she was in contempt in the first place.

Well yes, and correct me if I'm wrong but part of the problem when you violate an RO is that you have done things which could potentially have caused harm to the petitioner(Kaine and K.)

So MC googling K's addy could show that there was at least some intent to violate the RO by trying to make contact with, or worse, Kaine and K. The contempt motion also seeks information about who the other two people who were given copies. So, I guess I have to think, what if there is still some danger to Kaine and K. Who are these people?

Kaine has moved home at this point, but what was the intent? Why was this done? Who are these people? And a judge should IMO get to the bottom of that and put the safety of those protected under the order first, before any motion to stay.

 

[1Chump]

What are you thinking happened instead? Do you suppose Kaine or someone at the court with access showed their copy to MC and let him photocopy it to frame Terri for contempt of court? How did they get access to her email and cell phone, or was it someone else to do the sexting in Terri's name? Why? It's not illegal to sext, it's just somewhat embarrassing in the circumstances. If someone's out to frame her for something why not frame her for something that really gets her into trouble and not petty stuff?

IMO, I'm just finding everything surround MC extremely strange. First he was KH's childhood friend who TH did not meet until after Kyron disappeared. Then MC and TH alledgedly had an "inappropriate" relationship AFTER KH left. MC now is volunteering all this "information" to LE and KH against TH.

IMO, you are correct. There is nothing illegal about sexting or any of the alledged "paper" trail for TH's strange behavior. So how did LE get a warrant to have access to MC's phone or any of the other things?

IMO, TH seemed to cover her tracks to the point that Kyron has not been found and no "credible" evidence regarding locating Kyron has been found. However, after KH left TH seems to be leaving a paper trail all over the place.

IMO, I am starting to question if TH thought to change her passwords, internet provider and/or cell phone provider.

 

[wondering1]

But didn't the RO get unsealed because somebody leaked the information? If you suppose the source of the leak was MC or one of the two people he allegedly showed it to the reason it's moot now is just because she was in contempt in the first place.

I agree. That would be like saying that a TO enjoining the demolition of a building is moot because the defendant went ahead with the demolition in violation of the order.

 

[wondering1]

IMO, I'm just finding everything surround MC extremely strange. First he was KH's childhood friend who TH did not meet until after Kyron disappeared. Then MC and TH alledgedly had an "inappropriate" relationship AFTER KH left. MC now is volunteering all this "information" to LE and KH against TH.

IMO, you are correct. There is nothing illegal about sexting or any of the alledged "paper" trail for TH's strange behavior. So how did LE get a warrant to have access to MC's phone or any of the other things?
IMO, TH seemed to cover her tracks to the point that Kyron has not been found and no "credible" evidence regarding locating Kyron has been found. However, after KH left TH seems to be leaving a paper trail all over the place.

IMO, I am starting to question if TH thought to change her passwords, internet provider and/or cell phone provider.

bbm

I don't think we know for sure, but it sounded to me like he turned over his own cell phone and/or laptop, etc. without a warrant -- especially since he wasn't represented at the time, and probably didn't need to be if he hadn't committed any crime. In that case, it wouldn't matter if TH had changed every password she ever had. Both sides of the conversations, etc. would have been on MC's cell or e-mail, and he would be free to disclose it at his discretion.

Seems far more likely to me than him having her passwords and/or hacking her accounts, if that is what you're implying. Not sure if that's the case, but that's the way I read your last sentence.

jmoo

 

[grandmaj]

BBM

He admitted just snooping, you mean? Did I miss that? (Sorry, just not sure what "it" means in there.)


ETA: If he "admitted" that she showed it to him and he took the pic, which I think I recall him saying, then I still don't know if that's really "proof," KWIM? It's his word against hers, then.

Well yes he admitted to taking the pictures, doing the googling of the addy and giving it to other people. If this were to go to a hearing he would have to testify. It also states that T. Horman pointed out particular areas of interest in the document to Mr. Cook. So if Cook's story is true Terri was an active participant.

 

[tiredblondy]

Wow! Oh my goodness, all I thought was that Terri told someone, as documented in some written form, that she paid Houze $350,000.00.

Kaine was afraid that if it was from a loan he'd be expected to help repay it. His concern was that he could not do everything else and be expected to pay on a loan for her attorney fees.

Plus I feel it also shows she lies and if had been true had broken lawyer/client confidentiality.:waitasec:

That's a short summary of my thinking but now I see all this debating and I'm getting more and more confused. :banghead:

I think I'll just keep thinking my short nutshell summary which I like.:angel:
LOL

 

[tiredblondy]

Oh and I agree MC is strange and I think there is more to him and his relationship to TH than we know!

 

[Donjeta]

Thinking about this MC, he gives me the creeeeps btw, it really was not in TH's best interest for MC to take a photo of the RO, why did he need evidence he seen it ?
Really what have HIS motives been ?

Just speculating but if he took a photo as evidence that he'd seen it I think he might have had an ambition to become "a reliable source" and needed the evidence to show to a reporter

 

[ami]

Anyone can say anything they want to outside the well of a court.

Doesn't make it a fact just because someone says something. People unfortunately lie all the time or make typos when texting.

The fact will be how much was really paid to Houze and who paid it..........not what Terri may have said in a text or email.

The lawyer made it very clear in his response motion if Kaine had just called him first he could have told him that the money spent on her defense lawyer did not come from her funds. I am sure he can back that up.

IMO

First, Terri's attorney would NOT have chatted to Kaine about the marital asset issues over the phone, should Kaine have called him. And there's no WAY that Kaine's attorney would take something Terri's atty said about marital assets at face value, without proof, without documentation, without fact checking. Of course her atty is going to say it wasn't anything to worry about! That doesn't mean Kaine doesn't have the right to know, the right to proof, the right to something in writing that says this money was not a marital asset and is not a marital debt. His attorney wouldn't have even bothered going through the motions of contacting the other guy by phone for "verification". It would have been a waste of time.